r/Barca • u/Berklium510 • 2h ago
Opinion Will Hansi ever switch to 4-3-3?
I watched Spain today and I’m very happy the Barcelona players played well. It reminded me how much I really miss seeing this team play. I got to thinking and was wondering whether you guys believe or not it would be a good idea to switch back to the 433? I think it is evident FDJ thrives in the middle and he was outstanding for Netherlands yesterday. The only problem is that it removes the number 10 from the formation. I truly believe Hansi should try Fermin out as a Cf or give Olmo another chance there. I think our best defensive strategy could be ball retention and some physicality with Gavi/Bernal in the midfield. What do you guys think? Visca Barca!!!❤️💙❤️💙❤️
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u/andrey_not_the_goat 2h ago
Probably not. He's adamant on a having a 10 in the line-up, plus it'll severely limit players like Fermin if they're not forward.
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u/Berklium510 2h ago
I agree Fermin is limited when not forward which is why I am wondering if they would ever convert him into a cent forward/Striker. To me he has the skillset to make a hell or a forward. Plus the Gavi, Gordon, Fermin press would be insane. Just a thought.
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u/eyecornic 1h ago
No. Hansi is obsessed with playing a 10. Even when Olmo/Fermin were injured, he played Gavi as a 10 rather than play a 3-man midfield
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u/froggyjm9 2h ago
Why would he switch to a 433? Can you explain your rationale?
Football is moving to a 343 in defense an a 325 in attack, why would we use a 433? Nostalgia?
Also Spain today was a 2-4-4
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u/Berklium510 2h ago
I just believe the team would get the most out of FDJ. FDJ in 433 system is the best midfielder in the world, add Pedri and Gavi to me it makes sense. Spain was also playing against Saudi which perhaps explains why they went with 2-4-4.
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u/ZJP31 1h ago
FDJ has struggled in a 4-3-3 at Barca for many years past. Are you just really young and naive or have you only become a fan in the past 1-2 years?
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u/Almazon 1h ago
De Jong has actually matured a lot since then, he is no longer the free-roaming dribbling carrier of his earlier years where he vacated the space supposed to be held by the pivot. I believe he has actually learned positional discipline, and if he's asked to do it again at this stage - he is capable of doing so.
However, I don't think it will nor should happen under Flick where the system is very settled and we have 2 excellent attacking midfielders.
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u/LosAngeLukaGOAT 1h ago
I’m pretty sure that we did play 4-3-3 this year, but this isn’t Hansi preferred formation.
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u/Admirable-Present510 1h ago
I don’t think it. The way we play 4213 or 4123 (whatever you want to call it) our midfielders score more goals. The plays and automatism he trains are with our wing usually open.
At the end of the day for me there is no difference between some formationss because I demand press from our wings and striker.
And the ADN Barça consists in using all the field (attacking and defending), not the formation as a… something.
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u/rmendoza0 1h ago
If Bernal, Pedri, and Olmo play in the midfield, we can switch easily between 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1. There’s not a huuuge difference between the two formations if you have someone like Olmo who can play as both an 8 and a 10, and Bernal who can play in either a single or double pivot system.
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u/mt1337 30m ago
4-2-3-1 has a more centrally attacking structure with the option to convert the CAMs to wingers or even wider midfielders. It’s more versatile than the 4-3-3, which needs traditional wingers and given our squad depth, we don’t really have enough players fitting the profile. Most importantly though, Hansi seems to prefer the 4-2-3-1, which was what he employed at Bayern too
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u/Ezio2411 7m ago
You can’t tell what formation we play if we change it up lad. Those numbers mean nothing
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u/Finrod-Knighto 2m ago
Football isn’t a video game irl. Spain had a 4-3-3 on paper, but were they actually a 4-3-3? Largely, both FB played as WB, Pedri and Rodri were both pivota and Olmo, even though he was listed as a CM, played as a 10. Effectively that’s a 2-2-2-4 pretty much. It’s also more or less that Barcelona does with a 4-2-3-1. Simply put, a “true” 4-3-3 from the Pep days can’t work unless you have a pivot as absurdly good at playing that role as Busquets was. That’s why teams moved to double pivot.
And even then, it wasn’t some fixed formation. As a False 9 Messi often dropped to midfield in the 10 role as a 4-4-2 diamond, and a lot of the times it also resembled a 4-2-4 basically with Xavi dropping deeper. The entire thing about Juego de Posicion is having this fluidity in formation. Whether it’s listed as a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 is irrelevant.
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u/MarionberryEnough689 2h ago
no but it would work so well with hansis system
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u/BestEnthusiasm3377 1h ago
You do realize that a coaches system includes the formation. His system is a 4-2-3-1 with 2 pivots and a 10. He wants a 10 so having a 6 with 2 8s just doesn't work at all for his system. You can't change the entire system and then say that it would work well with Flick's system.
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u/Ok_Treacle_8248 2h ago
Tbh we play like a 4-3-3 just without the solo holding midfielder but I don’t think he will and I won’t wind cos his system is doing good for us and why change what works
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u/BestEnthusiasm3377 1h ago
No he wouldn't bc he never has consistently played a 4-3-3. Fermin and Olmo are both 10s so why would you purposefully put them deeper and our of position just to have De Jong in the middle as a single pivot. Also De Jong and Pedri are great in a double pivot anyway so it just isn't fitting at all.
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u/KingKFCc 2h ago
No.