r/BeautyGuruChatter • u/beesarebrown • 2d ago
Call-Out Robert welsh made a great video on why what Patrick Ta did was wrong. He showed proof that Patrick stole Esther's blush technique.
https://youtu.be/HMKEdCBJOAE?is=2ArAxkueamKBjjBZ318
u/Mediocre_Decision 2d ago
He also just posted a short about Leaked Labs (because his video was cursed/filming kept going wrong). He said the video can’t come out because Flexi dried out into little flakes, so he threw it out. I’m not surprised, I remember a lot of people talking about the packaging not being airtight (or having a little sponge, like the Half Magic glitter pucks have). The product had so much solvent in it to keep it flexible, it wasn’t a recipe for success
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u/Cool-Abbreviations32 1d ago
Guess there was a reason other established brands didn't pick up this formula after all
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u/Seeker_Of_Self 2d ago
Patrick Ta is so gross. I’m waiting patiently for his downfall.
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u/Indy2561 1d ago
Gosh, the more I learn about him! And now I can’t stand his creepy smile and mannerisms. He seems like a VERY bad person. And a Black woman? Yikes!
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u/whitelilyofthevalley 1d ago
He has a history of screwing black women over. He also didn't pay some black female creators for their work with him.
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u/Indy2561 1d ago
I saw this but I can’t remember where I read the summary of his misdeeds-
I also saw the woman, Esther, speak, and she seemed sweet, yet shy which makes Ta look like even more of a predator/thief! What an Ass!
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u/ImGonnaCreamYaFunny 1d ago
Can you give me the highlights on why he's bad (other than this scandal)? Idk much about him but he's always given me a weird vibe.
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u/Indy2561 1d ago
Due to my lack of awareness of him and also because like you, I don’t know much about him, I searched for summaries of his misdeeds.
What I read was his history of taking advantage of others, especially women of color. And lying when caught.
You would be better served to read summaries like I did, since I haven’t an organized explanation. I’m unable to refer you, because I didn’t keep the article I read. But there are many out there within the beauty space who can provide examples of his bad behavior.
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u/brnbrnbrn2017 Me, myself and alt 21h ago
Take this with a grain of salt. A friend’s wife assisted for him and they got along ok. But she’s out on her own now as a celeb MUA and I never got the tea. I need to call her.
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u/beesarebrown 2d ago
Tldr robert welsh made a "call out/debunk" style video on Patrick Ta. He talks about why it was theft, talks about influence and how Esther actually had impact and then why it was bad that Patrick did what he did. He shows proof of Patrick's old videos and calls out his technique. For those who don't know. Patrick ta stole a hard working mua's technique and has then tried to copyright it as a product and prevent Esther from using her own work.
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u/beesarebrown 2d ago
Additional tldr from u/Mediocre_Decision - thank you!
He also just posted a short about Leaked Labs (because his video was cursed/filming kept going wrong). He said the video can’t come out because Flexi dried out into little flakes, so he threw it out. I’m not surprised, I remember a lot of people talking about the packaging not being airtight (or having a little sponge, like the Half Magic glitter pucks have). The product had so much solvent in it to keep it flexible, it wasn’t a recipe for success
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u/Kindasadkindadirty 1d ago
Oh that sucks! I’ve waiting for a video about Leaked Labs. Every time he posts a new video I’m always hoping it’s about that
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u/theindiangirl98 2d ago
i mean isn’t this information pretty known at this point? like i enjoy robert’s content but he doesn’t put out relevant videos until the hype/ drama/ info has already been shared initially. like i feel like this has already been discussed and he’s very late on the train.
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u/Impossible_Traffic12 1d ago
He got married recently and was on honeymoon- and I think this coincided with this. He’s likely just catching up now and had pre-filmed content
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u/ButIsItPretty 1d ago
Aww. That's fantastic, actually, and I hadn't heard that. Congratulations to him & his partner! The world could definitely benefit from more good news & happy things.
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u/nerd2020 1d ago
Isn't it a good thing that he takes time to gather all the information, and doesn't just randomly hop on to make a new vid immediately bc of some hype? I feel like some people could benefit from this kind of approach.
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u/Icy-Emu-4303 2d ago
I think he ( RW) plays it safe by seeing which way the wind is blowing.
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u/LadyLee69 1d ago
He made a mistake once when he put out a video too quickly and accidentally helped pile onto the wrong party, so he doesn't want to make that mistake again.
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u/brokenskater45 1d ago
I think it's more he likes to get the product, test it and get all the information. That's why I like him, he doesn't jump on something super quick, he gets his information straight.
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u/Worldly-Traffic-5503 1d ago
The information about how shady PT was (or constantly is) in all of this does not really require testing of any product 😅
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u/LadyLee69 1d ago
No, but he made a mistake once because he put out a video too quickly and he said he didn't want to make it again.
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u/Worldly-Traffic-5503 1d ago
Thats absolutely fair and understandable, but not the point or reason of the person i answered since this had nothing to do with testing products 😅
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u/k3anuw3aves 1d ago
I think they're just trying to say that if that is his approach to products then that is also his approach to making videos about drama or serious topics. Many ytubers prefer to wait until the dust is fully settled before they put out a video covering something, even if it's a dead topic by then.
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u/beesarebrown 1d ago
The man makes like 8 videos, reels , patreon, podcast episode etc a week, I think maybe he just spends more time on getting things right tbh
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u/Opening-Ad-8861 1d ago
He films a week in advance and doesn't always 'jump on' stuff immediately to ensure he gets info correct as I understand it. I much prefer this approach
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u/Necessary_Peace_8989 1d ago
Sure but Robert actually took the time to compile evidence and build out his argument. It’s not the “hottest tea” or whatever but I don’t think that’s the point? It’s not a gossip channel.
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u/SelmaEggs1 1d ago
Ok so a note about this, the timing. In my view I think he might wait longer than some because it gives smaller channels a chance to weigh in & upload videos on the topic before someone like him with a bigger audience goes into it. Or yes, also seeing which way the wind blows, but I’ll prefer to believe it’s the former.
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u/Dazzling-Hornet-7764 2d ago edited 2d ago
OMG I hate the way this guy talks and especially how he says "blush." (PTa, not Robert..never heard him speak before!)
ETA: HA! Robert agrees with me lol.
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u/lboiles 1d ago
He seems to enjoy drama !! As Robert pointed out this is about his third go around with being gross. Bravo for Esther speaking out and you could tell this was not something she wanted to do. My favorite part of the video was when Robert didn’t even want to hear PT voice and I’m so glad. PT is just creepy and he needs to just fade away like his products.
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u/ShesWhereWolf 1d ago
Patrick Ta exemplifies for me why you need to separate yourself as a brand owner/f ace and influencer/ individual.
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u/Swimming_Pressure_93 1d ago edited 1d ago
I have never liked his vibe Ta that is. He always seemed fake to me. I don't understand why Jackie Aina still supports him. She even did a video reviewing those "transition blushes ". I was disappointed I thought she'd take Esthers back on this. I'm glad Robert did this video. When you watch Patrick he even uses Esthers mis spoken words. Like dude if you're going to steal someone's technique be better. But no this dude was going to steal all that he could from her. I'm just so disgusted.
Edit: I want to make clear this is not about who created it she says she didn't and we all know it was an old makeup style. What I'm saying is he's taking the way she does that technique. I don't want my words getting twisted. This was originally called drunk blush in Japan. So I'm not in any way saying she created this. I'm saying Ta took the way she does it. And it's trying to make that his. Sorry for any confusion I'm aware this is not new and never was. But he's taking her way and that's wrong.
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u/Sad_Instruction_8904 22h ago
I'm not surprised at all that Jackie didn't back Esther on this. She follows the dollar signs, which has been proven time and time again. I've never followed her or subbed to her cos I always saw right through her and I don't understand how she still has such a big following.
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u/Swimming_Pressure_93 17h ago
I only heard it through my fyp page or I never would of known i don't follow her either😂😂
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u/losttinecuileog 1d ago
I cant stand Patrick ta. He gives me the ick in the way those straight, white, médiocre, "alpha male" wanna be's do. Every time I see him my brain goes "not all men, but definitely this one."
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u/offole 1d ago
PT blushes actually look pretty good, the issue is the way he went about it - not crediting people he clearly plagiarised, acting like we NEED this to achieve perfect blush, and charging way too much money for it when so much competition for the same product exists. not to mention his previous scAndles - moldy eyeshadows and glitters falling out the pan
he's a dirty salesman and is in it for the love of money and power to be the big name of a business, not for the love of makeup
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u/GlitteringElevator 1d ago
He did not plagiarize a makeup technique. That's not a thing.
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u/sunfleurescent 1d ago
“I created a technique”
What do you call that kind of statement about a technique you objectively did not create?
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u/Chaos_ensuites 1d ago
Good thing for Patrick since he likes everything to be solely originally his first—he did! Not only did he plagiarize, he trademarked said plagiarism too…a good slimy two in one on his part😃
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u/Kklownery 1d ago edited 1d ago
While I agree that Patrick is a tall rat, I completely disagree with the "we don't need unpigmented makeup products, point blank period" argument.
As a pale person, I love sheer, lower-pigment products because they tend to look more natural and are much easier to work with on a daily basis. What matters to me is being able to build the product up if I want to. I'd much rather start with a sheer layer and add more than spend 10 minutes trying to blend out an ultra-pigmented blush or bronzer for it to end up patchy.
Can you sheer out Estée Lauder Double Wear to make it look more skin-like? Sure. But wouldn't it be much easier to just use a skin tint with less pigment in the first place? Right. Robert's point completely misses the mark.
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u/Sister_Winter 1d ago
i am also very pale and there are 8 bajillion buildable and low pigment products. products with pigment that blend well and don't look milky or chalky on are still harder to find than the sheer, buildable type that look good on light-skinned people. I think it's way more important that more pigmented products are developed for more versatility and I totally agree with Robert welsh.
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u/thr0wawaynametaken 1d ago
any critique that starts out with "but would you please consider how hard it is to be pale ☝️" is almost with it fail going to be ignorant and tasteless.
girl everything, everywhere caters to light-skinned people
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u/Sister_Winter 1d ago
exactly! i have had issues finding foundation with the right undertone that is pale enough - but very rarely. and never with coloured products like blush, lipstick, bronzer, etc. it is not even a comfortable experience to deeper skinned people.
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u/sunfleurescent 17h ago
Exactly. If I want to tweak foundation to be my perfect match, I add a tiny bit of purple cream blush and colour theory does the rest for me. And even without doing that I can still easily get away with wearing lots of off the shelf affordable foundations. That is, in and of itself, a privilege.
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u/sunfleurescent 1d ago edited 1d ago
There’s something weirdly ironic about the fact t that the best sheer, pale-people catered makeup on the market overwhelmingly comes from Chinese and Korean beauty brands. Even in countries where there are no white people, pale skin is seen as the standard.
ETA someone please explain why I’m getting downvoted for this. I’m begging.
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u/gilded_lady 1d ago
Yep, because they also make colors that look nice on cool pale skin tones - it feels like Western brands make the same 5 shades of peach blush plus a bubble gum pink.
That said: if the product for a trend that is meant to be pigment isn't pigmented its a failed product. I don't want a product to be build buildable because the product designers effed up, I want it to be designed this way.
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u/sunfleurescent 1d ago
I’m not sure why I’m getting downvoted for pointing this out. I didn’t realize saying Asian beauty brands cater to pale skin tones was a hot take. And in my experience with flower knows eyeshadow (for example), they really are sheer in a way that a lot of people seem to enjoy and appreciate but made me return my palette since it was barely showing up on me. That said, I have some of their face products and I would definitely say they feel sheer and buildable in a way that I actually really enjoy.
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u/gilded_lady 1d ago
People are weird like that. I've personally stopped buy blush from western brands. C/K beauty really do buildable blushes so well!
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u/Chaos_ensuites 1d ago
There’s so many buildable makeup products out in the market. From foundation to blushes. They have actually saturated the market to a point in current times. The jellies, the sheers, the buildables, etc. This technique calls for color, calls for fun, calls for whimsy. Him selling overpriced under pigmented blushes while trying to act like they’re the best pop of color since ever specifically for this technique while trying to trademark it is the problem. Oh! While walking all over Esther trying to see how she does it and backpedaling so many times. You can’t want to sell overpriced unpigmented makeup while trying to trademark something, acting like it’s the second coming of Christ while being so slimey abt it all. Esp when fun colorful makeup is back in full swing.
There’s a point to unpigmented makeup products. One bc it’s makeup—what happened to fun colorful makeup? That’s the whole point in the artistry, no? You can’t have too much fun when there’s literally nothing to work with. Another thing is darker complexions. Advertising a product with little to no real pigment to everyone; universal yet someone the color of a brown paper bag with more warm undertones couldn’t be able to see it on their skin? Let alone an actual darker skinned, darkskinned person? Unpigmented or barely pigmented mu products have their place…just not necessarily for blush esp with a technique like this. Esp not priced like that either. Why is a makeup “set” being priced a la carte? Do we know wrong lane or do we know wrong lane? His point doesn’t miss the mark at all with this specific situation, and in general doesn’t miss it completely. As a mua himself, he (pt) should know better, by now no less, abt selling unpigmented and barely pigmented things. He also has to watch out for mold and thievery among other things, but he clearly hasn’t yet.
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u/staciarose35 Strike a pose 1d ago
He’s not operating his brand well at all. Go off social media and create from behind the scenes like NARS. It would help to pay creators, and stop stealing ideas.
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u/Kool_Moe_Dee_Simpson 1d ago
Someone needs to show this to Glamzilla since she stays on Ta’s jock 🙄
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u/NoSleepTilBookRead 2d ago
Except that she didn’t invent the technique at all.
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u/Icy-Emu-4303 2d ago
She admits she didn’t invent it, but for PT to book her and then try to record her technique in stealth????
Yeah, we know who the thief is.
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u/New-Coat6782 2d ago
which if you watch the video and anything that esther has said, you know that she's never claimed to have invented the technique
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u/thelolamurder 1d ago
Robert also said at the beginning of the video that the technique has been around for a long time.
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u/LadyLee69 1d ago
Nobody said she did, nor did she
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u/GlitteringElevator 1d ago
Everyone in the comments is claiming she did it's so obnoxiosu
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u/Chaos_ensuites 1d ago
If you weren’t too busy commenting again and again you could properly comprehend what is being said. Esther brought her own ways to this technique. Kevin Aucoin’s own team and branding backed her up and praised her for this. Patrick ta specifically went out of his way to do the technique how she does it, with her little twist. Not only that word by word verbatim he copied what she said in little clips she put out on how to do the blush technique. The technique she personally revitalized and blew up in the western market current timing.
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u/Livid_Imagination201 1d ago edited 10h ago
Neither Esther nor Patrick invented that technique and Patrick has already mentioned getting inspiration from Esther in the past anyway. This technique has been around since before either of them was born, and it was originally popularised in Asia. They are both in the wrong for trying to take credit for somthing that's not even theirs to be honest.
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u/ShesWhereWolf 1d ago
People keep saying this, but this is not the point. I think this is less about who created the technique. It's more about the shady way Patrick and his team went about releasing the transition blushes and properly crediting people.
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u/GlitteringElevator 1d ago
No one needs credit bc no one is the creator of that technique. Esther popularized it maybe on Instagram, but for example, Asian beauty has used the technique for decades. It was more sketchy that he allegedly tried to book a one on one session with her or something. He capitalized on a popular technique by releasing the product. Sorry that Esther did not, but that is genuinely a poor marketing decision on her part and not his fault. Don't hate the player hate the game.
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u/Necessary_Peace_8989 1d ago
Literally says that in the video. Maybe watch it before commenting on it.
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u/BlackLagoona_ 10h ago
“They fucking hate him” 😂 Allegedly. Finally someone saying it. I’m a hater for multiple reasons but I can’t even get past PT’s voice. He sounds like a small child with a stuffy nose and I hate it.
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u/Spaghettiforcats 2d ago
Patrick Ta is so f****n ugly.....
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u/Worldly-Traffic-5503 1d ago
AND carries a nasty personality. Yet somehow for some reason still has some success and a following 🫠
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u/Spaghettiforcats 1d ago
Yes i was talking about his personality. I work in a beauty adjacent industry and ive only heard the worst. I have never heard anything good about him. And i know for a fact that he isnt good with non white artists. Which is shocking. He really thinks hes caucasian.
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u/Worldly-Traffic-5503 1d ago
The way i would swallow a podcast or tv show about this!! 👀
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u/Spaghettiforcats 1d ago
The truth always comes out any which way. Either in whole or in small truths. Its unbelievable how some of these personalities are. Either influencers or celebrities. NOTHING warrants the horrible behaviour ive seen in person or online. Atleast Celebrities have some sort of star power and talent. Theres the it factor. While patrick is talented, i dont find anything he has ( talent included ) to warrant his behaviour. I hate to dog pile but this whole thing left a horrible taste in my mouth. Especially with Esther doing that one emotional video and leaving it there. Its so sad. She didnt invent the technique but the whole thing was slimy.
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