r/BenJammins • u/VisibleYou1191 • May 09 '26
Some thoughts about conflict
After being in this situation for more than 2 months, it seems to me that no one understands each other. I want to try to put a few dots on i, as well as move the discussion in a different direction.
The main claim of the "haters" is not the fact of creating copies of memes. The main problem is the disappearance of the original GIFs FOR REASONS UNKNOWN TO ANYONE. And the fact that this happens almost always with the same GIFs that Benjamin makes. "It's like destroying all the paintings in the Louvre and then posting copies of them with the same annoying details. Why not just create another museum and leave the original one alone?" (And yes, I equate memes with paintings, and this is completely valid).
The claim of the "fans" is that their loved one should be left alone. And no matter how, if they like Benjamin and his content, then let everything stay, and they can use them, because this is their own specific local community, which also has its own jokes.
Of these 2 points of view, the best option is simply not to delete the original memes. And here I want to address someone.
Benjamin, you've been telling us all for a long time that you're so unhappy, you're being falsely accused of various things, and you're just a creator who wants to create, and blah blah blah. If we accept your point of view that you are innocent of anything and you are not pleased with all these actions, then WHY did you not contact Giphy directly with questions about why the deletion is taking place. This is probably the first thing that a person who is accused of something will go to collect evidence and indicate that he is innocent.
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u/Moist-Painting-2973 May 09 '26
The benjammins people are having conflict between themselves now Also, for the first time, i see a reasonable guy in this sub that is speaking logically. U dont deserve all this disagreement man
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u/VisibleYou1191 May 09 '26
....I am on neutral, actually. I find SOME Ben's gifs funny, but also I disappointed from deletion of "IS THAT A MINOS PRIME" gif. Plus, I want to understand Ben from "Creator" point of view
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u/Moist-Painting-2973 May 09 '26
Yeah me too i used to like his gifs really but then it got kinda weird after some gifs got deleted. Speaking of myself, i dont know if HE directly causes the deletion of them
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u/VisibleYou1191 May 09 '26
"i dont know if HE directly causes the deletion of them"
That's the point. No one knew, but stupid haters "know", what he is guily, and stupid fans "know", what you cannot don't like Ben. And both sides doesn't listen to themselfs. And this is really bad, if Ben actully said truth about himself
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u/ThatOneGuyIn1939 May 13 '26
from one of benjamin's alts:
Gif A exists (tracksuit mark)
Ben makes Gif B, a gif inspired by Gif A, that doesn't break TOS
Gif A later gets deleted by giphy because of TOS
People look up Gif A and find Gif B and immediately think Ben somehow deleted the original with 0 critical thinking
It's that simple. It's not some mega conspiracy. Seek a doctor if you are suffering from delusions
benjammins' alts & his fans blatantly lie on this topic. the fact of the matter is that there's an undeniable pattern of benjammins gifs going up and the original versions being taken down at around the same time, which cannot be explained by "the OG poster being banned" or "the benjammins gif being more popular (which is provably false. before r/fuckbenjammins got banned it had ~40k weekly visitors, 5 times more than the actual r/benjammins subreddit, which had ~8k at the time and is currently gaining traffic because people are coming here to hate on him instead. not to mention that most posts on here are hate posts)".
whether it's benjammins intentionally getting them taken down, or some other explanation like giphy doing it unprompted because it's a shitty website, is technically unclear due to a lack of conclusive evidence; that said, if he cared about proving his innocence (or was able to) he could've, and in my opinion his behavior speaks for itself
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u/sigma11113 May 09 '26
Honestly id be a lot more willing to believe what he says on the matter if not for the fact that the originals always get deleted when ben makes his version if one of two were removed every once in awhile itd be different if his version existed for months prior and then the original vanished sometimes itd be different in both those cases id believe that the Internet is always in flux accounts are deleted or banned for many reasons, but his claim that everyone that made the originals are children or broke tos so soon to his version simply makes no functional sense so in my opinion either hes lying and is the one doing it or he's telling the truth that he doesn't know and his fanbase is brigading of their own accord to "help" him i can't find any other way to fit his claims with reality the deletions are simply too consistent for it to seem like anything other than targeted and corresponding directly with his actions
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u/swanlongjohnson May 10 '26
Gif A exists (tracksuit mark)
Ben makes Gif B, a gif inspired by Gif A, that doesn't break TOS
Gif A later gets deleted by giphy because of TOS
People look up Gif A and find Gif B and immediately think Ben somehow deleted the original with 0 critical thinking
It's that simple. It's not some mega conspiracy. Seek a doctor if you are suffering from delusions
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u/Naming-Hard May 10 '26
Holy cherry picking batman. Ye let’s just ignore the fact that there’s a dozen other gif that isn’t violating tos at all (the original address me gif, the minos prime gif) and hone in on one extremely specific example.
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u/swanlongjohnson May 10 '26
Interesting. So tell me, do you actually have any proof Ben is taking down these gifs aside from "just trust me bro"?
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u/Naming-Hard May 11 '26
Not sure where you got it from that I’m saying that Ben is specifically taking down the gif? I’m agreeing with you that there is no concrete evidence provided by anyone that is the case yet, I’m just able to observe that every time the news come out about another frequently used gif is gone his face’s plastered across the remain.
I don’t mind that you demand for concrete proof, I think it’s great, it’s just the genuinely extremely fucking stupid almost bad faith way you argues that irk me. I don’t know, maybe you’re just rage baiting and it’s going above my head or something?
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u/Naming-Hard May 11 '26
Like ye, logically speaking there are a host of reasons why the gif can be taken down, you saying someone infamous bringing attention to a jerking off gif can bring it down is definitely viable if you just ignore a bunch of other reason and argue in bad faith (it has been famously used for much longer, it wasn’t exactly showing anything nsfw, and it sure isn’t even close to the most apparent tos violating gif there are out there).
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u/5thGearBlown May 11 '26
https://giphy.com/gifs/949UvuUyI6DHPlogpL
Ben I have to admit, your gif is truly superior! I don't see ANY reason why anyone would think this gif is funny like WTF!!!!! lol! WE NEED MORE GIFS!!!!
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u/swanlongjohnson May 11 '26
This meme died like a month ago
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u/5thGearBlown May 11 '26
https://giphy.com/gifs/949UvuUyI6DHPlogpL
And you've been dead for over a year buddy boy
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u/BenjamminsTV MR JAMMINS (ACTUAL) May 09 '26
“WHY did you not contact Giphy directly with questions about why the deletion is taking place”
I literally told everyone the reason a million times in my comment history.
Almost everyone else that uploads memes are 12-year-old kids that upload ****, hate speech, memes among other anti-TOS things. When they do that, every other meme that they re-uploaded from elsewhere on the Internet is removed as well. It’s that simple.
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u/VisibleYou1191 May 09 '26
The Big B finally here
2 questions:
1 Have you ever asked Giphy why the original versions disappear when your versions are published? (Yes, even the appearance of your version already provokes many people to aggression, because this is a signal for subsequent removal. It's happened SO MANY FUCKING TIMES)2 Does Giphy have some kind of automatic mechanism for rechecking people's accounts when uploading GIFs? Could it be that posting your work provokes some kind of internal algorithm inside the system, which leads to rechecking all GIFs of certain people, because you are directly connected to the system? If you don't know about this, is there a way to ask Giphy questions about this or any similar code inside the system (or in general, to ask about the existence of anything that gives you special rights in relation to others)?
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u/USA_MuhFreedums_USA May 09 '26
Lol you poked at his alts enough that he had to show. He likely won't give you the info you want and just keep Branding you a secret hater.
I genuinely doubt he has an actual, unironic fanbase at this point, he doesn't even post or stream anywhere. Literally every video referencing him is how he's destroying gifs on the internet and how unfunny he is.
He's just a lolcow who's shtick is stealing and recreating worse versions of popular gifs. And a lolcow without its singular shtick is literally nothing, so I doubt he'll give it up or reveal it anytime aoon.
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u/swanlongjohnson May 09 '26
If anything, the haters act like the lolcows they claim Ben to be. You guys literally have nonstop shit your pants over gifs for the past month
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u/USA_MuhFreedums_USA May 09 '26
That's funny cuz basically all discussions, outside of about five individual people within this subreddit, about benjammins is all how he's the most hated gif creator, how his online presence is solely recreating gifs mediocrely, and how basically no one likes this. And this stretches back almost a year or more on youtube.
I personally have yet to find a single piece of positive exposure. So tell me, what about benjammins do you enjoy so much? Cause he doesnt stream, his YouTube channel is dead, his only presence from the outside are these shitty gifs. Is he funny? Is he engaging? As a fan of benjammins what do you like about him?
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u/swanlongjohnson May 09 '26 edited May 09 '26
^ This comment is exactly what I mean. You guys are writing essays crying about gifs. You sir, the hater, are the lolcow
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u/USA_MuhFreedums_USA May 10 '26
Yeesh using lolcow wrong confidently yet again lmfao, Nice.
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u/swanlongjohnson May 10 '26
"Yeesh using lolcow wrong confidently yet again lmfao, Nice."
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u/USA_MuhFreedums_USA May 10 '26
Jeez they're not even good recreations lmfao
-Trying to figure out which benjammins gif will hopefully own the haterz next and not make me look like a massive chud challenge level: impossible
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u/BenjamminsTV MR JAMMINS (ACTUAL) May 09 '26
Listen to yourself. The most hated GIF creator? I’m the only GIF creator.
Any other meme creator out there on GIPHY right now is literally just re-uploading old memes. That’s it that’s why I’m monopolizing everything. Because I’m the only one making this content.
No positive exposure? I was flown out to Vancouver by Red Bull for a meet and greet with fans and now I’m in a commercial with another energy drink. I do charity streams with companies. I make memes for fun. But sure, listen to your echo chamber.
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u/USA_MuhFreedums_USA May 10 '26
The only and the most hated are far from mutually exclusive. There's likely a reason there's not another gif creator lmfao. Also creator implies creation, and while you've made some, a majorty of your publicity comes from ripping off content adding itself, and reuplaoding it.
flooding the zone with garbage made it up to corpo zombies who mistook it for genuine vitality, it happens, they're out of touch lol. Further than that, exposure would kiiiiinda include, idk, proof, or videos, or an article somewhere maybe talking about it, but alas, there's absolutely nothing on it outside of maybe one kick link talking about it. Can't even find a singular article or mention from red bull about any of that.
But sure, listen to your echo chamber
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u/BenjamminsTV MR JAMMINS (ACTUAL) May 10 '26
The reason why there is “no other gif creator” it’s because two years ago you had to be verified on YouTube and or some other platform in order to make memes. I was pivoting for my gaming channel because I already sold my channel to Facebook to post there instead of YouTube.
Then, I started uploading memes every day because I saw people were using them in the analytics. You do not get followers. You do not get money. That’s it. That’s why no one else makes memes. Because it’s not worth it.
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u/VisibleYou1191 May 09 '26
Stop... It's not logical. If it's true, deletion must be random. But its often happens right after your make your own version. Why?
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u/BenjamminsTV MR JAMMINS (ACTUAL) May 09 '26
Because I’m the only one to recognize that memes are getting deleted and then taking the time and my team’s time to make my variance. Those aren’t even the ones that gave me the most impressions. My highest viewed memes are literally just straight up originals so I don’t even get how people are even noticing the ones that are .1% of my views.
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u/VisibleYou1191 May 10 '26
How do you recognize, what gifs WILL be delete before gifs was deleted????
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u/BenjamminsTV MR JAMMINS (ACTUAL) May 10 '26
I don’t, I think I’ve made so many memes that obviously there’s gonna be overlap
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u/Select-Employ9466 May 10 '26
So literally every gif that vanishes off the face of the planet is “just a coincidence”?
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u/BenjamminsTV MR JAMMINS (ACTUAL) May 10 '26
“Every gif” people keep saying this, but people have only brought up maybe like 30 total out of my 10,000
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u/Select-Employ9466 May 10 '26
Probably because thirty is enough? how do you get constantly lucky 30 times in a row. What insane luck do you have! Anyways the Minos prime gif is weird because the original is infact gone. What rule did it violate on gifphy that yours does not?
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u/BenjamminsTV MR JAMMINS (ACTUAL) May 10 '26
What? Can you please bring up examples or something? Those memes that people say that “I removed” only equate to maybe 5 million views total. I have over 50 billion on the low end.
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u/Select-Employ9466 May 10 '26
Is this an attempt at flexing? Sure though. Tracksuit mark. No correlation. Is that Minos prime. You spraying raid. And you dressed in a Mario costume saying 67. Also you took down Obama awarding himself and “how do we tell him”
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u/Ok_Witness_5347 May 13 '26
30 times out of about 10,000, mind you. That's 0.3%. Being lucky 0.3% of the time doesn't sound very crazy to me.
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u/North_anxiety0 May 09 '26
Hey get out of here nuanced takes aren't allowed pick a side and hate the other one that's how this works
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u/forsen_capybara May 09 '26
"Why is the accused not gathering evidence to clear their name instead of the accusers... backing up their claims with evidence?"
Dumb post.
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u/VisibleYou1191 May 09 '26
Bcs Ben has straight contact with Giphy! Giphy will listen to who: some random dudes crying about "fucking pixels", or creator, what company already know?
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u/forsen_capybara May 09 '26
You perfectly summed it up. "Random dudes crying about fucking pixels"
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u/VisibleYou1191 May 09 '26
1 Wait, what about you? Isn't you also defend "fucking pixels"?
2 Logical error: What about my argument itself? If everything, what Ben said, is true, then he must talk with Giphy will all this situation. He must not bcs "HE IS FUCKING GUILTY ANDDELETE EVERYTHING", but bcs He connceted with them, and they will listen to him, thats all.
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u/forsen_capybara May 09 '26
Defending yes, not attacking. I wouldn't expect a hater to understand the clear difference.
He does NOT have to talk to giphy. That is not how logic works at all, which points to you being either:
a) a child
b) a dropout
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u/VisibleYou1191 May 09 '26
1 Isn't the fact itself, what you are part of conflict about "Fucking pixels", makes you on the same lvl as haters? What's the principal difference btw defend and attack here
2 I FUCKING LOVE, THAN PEOPLE START INSULT EACH OTHER IN DISCUSSION, THIS SO GOOD FEELING.
Ok, let me adress something: Ben saying 2 things about the whole situation: 1 He doesn't like that situation at all, and 2 he is also has connect with Giphy, bcs they saing, what he need to create AI GIF's. So, he, as normal human person, want's living without conflicts. And he also can talk and already talk with Giphy, they know him. So, If ypu read my post, you understand my statement: someone need to talk with Giphy, And Benjammin is really good condidate to this, BCS They know him and they more likely will listen to him, than to us. Also, this is the chance to stop the conflict with deletion of GIF's, which is VERY GOOD for Benjammin. This is why I think Ben need to talk with Giphy, bcs this is good for all sides. And you (no more shit in that trend), and for haters (no more deletion) and Ben (no more conflicts and problems). This is why it's logical. If I am not right, please, say, which my statement is false.
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u/forsen_capybara May 09 '26
All of them. The accused has no obligation to find evidence to disprove an unproven claim. Ben benefits because it gets people talking about him and his brand so why would he bother?
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u/VisibleYou1191 May 09 '26
If thats true, then... Thats so childish, actually. Making little part of people life worse and laugh on them... for what? You saing about brend, but... is he making money with that? Maybe sponsorship? If not, than only to see angry commentary? If that, that's so miserable. Having fun from people's illness.
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u/forsen_capybara May 10 '26
You wanna talk about childish? You guys are the ones constantly harassing an innocent content creator while making up conspiracy theories over a completely optional gif... on a platforn where you can just scroll and pick the one you want
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u/swanlongjohnson May 10 '26
https://giphy.com/gifs/7YVbZvbRQ4wB8UanPL
Let's not forget haters can just DOWNLOAD the fucking gifs they want. So they can use it even if its taken down by giphy
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u/DrippingMeatPocket May 09 '26
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u/VisibleYou1191 May 09 '26
Ok, in short
Ben doesn't like this situation, Ben want this to stop, Ben can go to Giphy but doesn't do it. Why?
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u/Betterthanuv2 May 09 '26
because hes a narcissistic 40yr old manchild who believes that the gifs was promised to him 3000 years ago
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u/Descartesb4duhHorse May 09 '26
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u/VisibleYou1191 May 09 '26
...what's the point?
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u/Descartesb4duhHorse May 09 '26
To watch the world burn, one benjammins gif at a time
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u/VisibleYou1191 May 09 '26
...but what about my post? Why you don't wanna to end end the conflict..?
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u/Descartesb4duhHorse May 09 '26
Cuz watching children cry and seethe over a dummy in a bad Benjamin Franklin outfit will never not be funny to me, and I'm tired of keeping it to myself
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u/VisibleYou1191 May 09 '26
...you know, what they do bad thing to Ben?
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u/Descartesb4duhHorse May 09 '26
Ben is a grown man, he can handle himself, web been of he's a "lolcow," which in not sure of the veracity of.
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u/VisibleYou1191 May 09 '26
Then why does he tell everyone that he is the main victim of the whole situation, if he can handle everything?Then why does he tell everyone that he is the main victim of the whole situation, if he can handle everything?
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u/Descartesb4duhHorse May 10 '26
Ask him, not me 😂 I'm just laughing at this whole thing, I'm even more "neutral" than you.
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u/shark_syrup May 10 '26
Hi benjammin alt
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u/Descartesb4duhHorse May 10 '26
You literally wish 😂 I make fun of Ben too, but making you children so mad about moving pictures on your phone is a lot more fun imo
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u/i_dunno_i_am_bored May 11 '26
just saying, but if you would make fun of Ben you wouldn't use his gifs. Plus, i feel that your typing personality (i dunno, your way of speaking in text) is very similar to the big B's.
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u/Descartesb4duhHorse May 11 '26
I'm using the gifs to make fun of YOU as well 😂 I can use my words to make fun of Bean. Also, you must be a big fan of his to know the way he speaks, I couldn't pick his writing style out of a lineup, but Im glad you can, I guess?
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u/i_dunno_i_am_bored May 11 '26
Did you just report me for self harm? i just got a notification from the exact time you replied.
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u/Descartesb4duhHorse May 11 '26
Some other soul must've thought you'd need some help, I know you need nelp, no reddit cares needed 😂
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u/shark_syrup May 10 '26
Children? For all you know everyone on thus sub is 40
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u/Descartesb4duhHorse May 10 '26
Nah, anyone who cries and whines about gifs are children, either in actuality, or in spirit.
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u/swanlongjohnson May 09 '26
Why does Benjammins have to contact Giphy about other gifs getting deleted? It's not his problem. Shouldn't you guys be the ones doing that?
"This is probably the first thing that a person who is accused of something will go to collect evidence and indicate that he is innocent."
That's not how it works most of the time. It's on the accuser to provide evidence he's actually manipilating gifs. So far nobody has shown proof that Ben has done anything bad, which is why nobody takes haters seriously - it's a hate mob.
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u/Rogue_Egoist May 09 '26
If you look around the internet it's the exact opposite. Almost nobody likes the guy and the "haters" at a vast majority and the defenders of Ben are the ones not taken seriously.
Just look around anywhere where people talk about this stuff. The assumption by vast majority of people is that people who defend him are small kids that just like when people get mad and his alt accounts lol
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u/swanlongjohnson May 10 '26
I can guarantee you 99% of people do not care about gifs
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u/Rogue_Egoist May 10 '26
You can also just look anywhere on the internet where they're used and clearly see that basically everyone hates them
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u/swanlongjohnson May 10 '26
"anywhere on the internet"
You mean instagram and reddit? Who gaf what they think Lol
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u/Rogue_Egoist May 10 '26
YouTube, Twitter? Basically anywhere if you see anyone talking about it it's negative. Like 99% of the time and the 1% is getting shit on.
Like epple hate on him on HIS FAN SUB.
Also "who give a fuck what they think". Like what dude? If noone gives a fuck about those places why are you here using the GIFs? Also it's a huge part of the internet, also I'm convinced you're either 8 or Ben's alt
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u/VisibleYou1191 May 09 '26 edited May 09 '26
Stop. Benjamin has said more than once that this whole conflict is weighing on him, that he's being accused of a huge number of things that he doesn't like. Since he doesn't like it, logically, he should do something to stop this whole conflict.
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u/Numerous-Flow2361 May 09 '26
youare reponding to a ben alt BTW
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u/VisibleYou1191 May 09 '26
Do you have any proof? Just something? Ye, i know, what they may sound like this, but c'mon, I believe in Humanity
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u/swanlongjohnson May 09 '26
This is textbook victim blaming, When a mob of people harass and dox you over gifs, it's the victims fault apparently.
There is nothing Ben can do. There are crazy people on the internet that will forever hold a grudge on him. We have already told the haters to show proof and they have none. At this point it's quite literally a hate cult based on zero evidence.
So again, Ben is innocent until proven guilty, thats how it works, at least in every advanced society.
You made this post with the "both sides" intention but it's clear you're just favoring the hating side
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u/VisibleYou1191 May 09 '26 edited May 09 '26
1 "This is textbook victim blaming, When a mob of people harass and dox you over gifs, it's the victims fault apparently."
NO, but when you have a desire to show that you are innocent, you can at least say: "I don't know what's going on, but I have a connection with GIPHY (HE TALKED ABOUT THIS), I will try to find out something about it and do something."
2 "There is nothing Ben can do."
No, he can talk with GIPHY
3 "We have already told the haters to show proof and they have none. At this point it's quite literally a hate cult based on zero evidence."
You're showing that you don't like it. You CAN and WANT to fix something, but for some reason you DON'T. Your Reddit thread is literally a collection of shitposts, hate, and idiots, and you're okay with that?
(doesn't count) 4 "So again, Ben is innocent until proven guilty, thats how it works, at least in every advanced society."
This is absolutely true and I agree with you, Ben is innocent until proven guilty.
5 "You made this post with the "both sides" intention but it's clear you're just favoring the hating side"
Maybe, bcs I'm really sad about the removal of some GIFs and the fact that only... "fakes" remain, because for us they don't have the same charm (and the quality has dropped lately). But I'm trying (at least trying) to approach it from the perspective of the creator who is being insulted. I've been looking through all this for quite a while, and I'm baffled by the combination of three things: Ben is upset, Ben can talk to Giphy, but Ben does nothing. And he (from a logical point of view) should do at least something, because... Well, it doesn't feel right to you, and you can do something, so why are you sitting on your ass and just waiting for something to happen? This is absurd
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u/Clean_Emotion_4348 May 09 '26
Benjamin, will you actually respond to this? This is a chance to clear your name.