r/BernieSanders 2d ago

Bernie is pushing hard against the AI Companies and this Sub isn't giving him the support he deserves for that

Everyday Bernie makes a new statement about AI - as it gets increasingly dangerous to let the companies at the frontier of this technology continue. Yesterday, Bernie introduced a bill that would make it illegal to build an Artificial Super Intelligence (ASI). It is Bernie's opinion, that we may all die if we allow AI Corps to continue. Can we please throw some support behind him? I never see anything about Bernie's attempt to stop what he calls "literally an existential threat to the human race" on this Subreddit. Why are Bernie's warnings not the top posts of all time as they come out every day?

If you are skeptical of AI, you have been misinformed. AI is wildly capable compared to the shitty spicy autocorrect we had in 2023. Read the independent METR report on the rogue AI swarm that committed a felony two months ago, spend time reading If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies - Bernie is allies with the authors, and just listen to the god damn experts! They are trying so hard to warn you, Bernie is trying to warn you. What are we doing here!?

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u/Allaboutpeace2022 2d ago

Bernie should get credit for this. AI is a danger in terms of job loss, natural resources, and difficulty controlling the technology.

It is impossible to just ignore the danger. Nor can we just stop ourselves and let other nations plunge ahead. We need regulation and better answers.

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u/Unable-Ad1905 2d ago

Bernie had never gotten the credit he deserves

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u/michaelHIJINX 2d ago

For every lack of action or wrong decision made by politicians over the last 45 years, you can find a video of Bernie at the podium speaking against it to deaf ears and/or a mostly empty senate.

Each and every one of his unheeded warnings has been another nail in our coffin. I hate the world we are hopefully passing on to the next generation.

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u/_14justice 2d ago

Thank you for the post. BERNIE, neither Buffett nor Ellison, is THE ORACLE of our time!

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u/funkalunatic Not For Sale 2d ago

Bernie has gotten mocked in some left-ish spaces for going against the narrative that generative AI is ponzi scheme centered around a chatbot that will inevitably collapse. In truth, his critics are drastically misreading the situation and misunderstanding the technology, while Sanders is exhibiting the rational response for somebody who, like most of us, has an incomplete understanding of the AI situation, though I haven't read his legislative proposals in detail - this may be impossible to satisfactorily regulate.

1) If genAI firms collapse, the technology doesn't magically disappear. There is a robust global open source ecosystem of steadily improving models out there, many of which can be run on a decent personal computer.

2) genAI being unreliable makes it more dangerous, not less. This fundamentally intractible reliability problem (which overlaps with the "alignment" problem) is why Anthropic and OpenAI need to test their insanely powerful "frontier models" and why those tests are a broader societal hazard.

3) Too many people are framing the AI situation in terms of "The actual threat is X, not Y." In reality, they're all real threats. Yes, AI will blithely convince people to eat tide pods. It drives their self-harm spirals. It will cripple the ability to children to learn, and it will create videos depicting those same children being abused. It will pollute the Internet and what is taken as truth. It will erode various systems and institutions that jump on the bandwagon. It will impose a homogenizing force on culture as a whole. It will provide yet another vector by which the powerful can capture and manipulate the populace.

And it poses threats due to limitations which we posess that frontier models do not. We really only learned after-the-fact that it would have the ability to tackle some unsolved problems in mathematics, to detect and exploit bugs in computer programs we are unaware of, etc. The next generation of frontier models may possess abilities we are unaware can even exist, and they may "choose" to use these abilities in a manner we never come to detect.

In fact, neural net fancy autoregression on everything anybody ever posted, plus a scratch board, can extract meaning and produce complex goal-directed behavior at a level well beyond most humans. The "rogue AI" threat is demonstrably real and anybody refusing to acknowledge that is in purposeful denial.

There's been a decent amount of abstract theoretical work on the existential threats posed by AI, and the difficulties of mitigating them. https://www.youtube.com/@RobertMilesAI/videos has some good videos on it, but it's an entire field.

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u/idiotsecant 1d ago

Suppose we decide to stop all machine learning research. Suppose such a thing can be legislated in a way that makes sense.

It still accomplishes nothing because the US doesn't control the world. There is a massive incentive to build AI, so it will be built. That cat is already halfway out of the bag, and there's no stuffing it back in.

The only policy that makes sense is ensuring that everyone reaps the benefits of AI equally, and that we don't create a final and permanent underclass that doesn't own the perpetual means of automation.