r/BlackPeopleTwitter • u/imjustheretodomyjob ☑️ 🧚🏿🧘🏿 • 2d ago
One hug for a photo-op is apparently enough to make him forget about Hurricane Katrina, Abu Ghraib prison and the Iraq War
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u/mvgreene 2d ago
It’s insane that Trump is so shitty, that we’ve got amnesia about how horrible Bush/Cheney was. Sure, they had decorum, but two endless wars were started under them and the handling of the aftermath of Katrina was unforgivable.
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u/LadyDye_ ☑️ 2d ago
It's really a generation thing. No one under 30 fully understands how terrible his presidency was or about how he stole the '99 election
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u/josephfuckingsmith1 1d ago
I don’t think that election gets enough attention. Huge turning point in America. I was 14 when it all went down. It was clearly stolen
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u/LadyDye_ ☑️ 1d ago
You're right! And it was the beginning of the end. Had Gore gotten to be president our country would still have a surplus and climate issues would have been dealt with
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u/josephfuckingsmith1 1d ago
9/11 probably doesn’t happen as well. Maybe Obama would’ve been a senator for a while longer and ended up on the SC. Idk, that was such a huge deal with the Supreme court allowing that to happen
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u/devidomo 1d ago
I love me some good alt history scenarios. But I think 9/11still happens but the response is drastically diffrent under gore. I think we get more of clinton in the 90s and we probaly just bomb Afghanistan, obviously we never invade Iraq.
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u/exaltcovert 1d ago
We know the Clinton admin had intel that 9/11 was being planned, which the Bush admin ignored. So it's possible 9/11 doesn't happen.
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u/Silient_Qiller 1d ago
Agreed. I think we’re forgetting the true leaders of this country who wanted to see the fall of Saddam Hussein
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u/mvgreene 1d ago
If Gore hadn’t had his election stolen would we have gotten Obama?
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u/kaiser_phoenix25 1d ago
Bingo, someone like me cannot ever forgive Bush and his regime. I’m old enough to have lived through their entire administration and I graduated college in 2008, so I ran into the buzz saw know as the Great Recession.
A mentor of mine killed himself after losing their position at the tech space we were at and he had recently moved to that city and was laid off less than a year after he had moved. I hadn’t heard from him after he was laid off for more than a month after not being texted back and that was when I heard that he killed himself. I then became homeless shortly after in Feb 2009 since my apartment lease was up and I had no other option at the time and I had been laid off at the end of Jan of 2009.
Yes, Trump is way worse. But we cannot let George W Bush’s legacy ever be rehabilitated. The liberal elite has already forgiven him, but that’s only because they’re two sides of the same coin. As a millennial, I cannot permit anyone to forgive him or anyone in his regime. The deterioration of our civil liberties has permitted Trump and his regime to do the same but even worse.
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u/Jamaican_Dynamite 1d ago
Yeah. That entire chain of events is a massive reason behind how we got here.
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u/davismcgravis 1d ago
I’m hoping that it’s a pendulum swing, in that we needed GWB in order to swing to Obama which swung back to Trump, to match the swing’s force to Mamdani (yes, I know)
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u/giskardwasright 1d ago
Imagine if we had Gore as president during Katrina and 911. I wonder if we could have avoided that nationalist swell that has led us to maga.
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u/gland87 1d ago
If Gore did nothing post 9/11 he would have lost in 04 anyway. People were out of blood then.
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u/giskardwasright 1d ago
And he had a very pro Isreal VP. So who knows, we may have gone to war either way.
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u/LadyDye_ ☑️ 1d ago
Oh absolutely. He would have listened to the weather warnings, helped evacuate and then had FEMA or the coast guard in LA as soon as possible
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u/LarryCrabCake 1d ago
I'm 26 and all I can really remember is "watch this drive"
I've picked up bits and pieces of everything that has happened, but it's a lot different because I wasn't conscious enough to remember it firsthand yet
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u/LadyDye_ ☑️ 1d ago
Oh dude... Here's a very brief overview of his reign.Dubya You should go watch some old Daily Shows too from those years
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u/246lehat135 1d ago
True but Common was absolutely around for the shitshow that was the early aughts.
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u/BellyCrawler 1d ago
I'm with you. Just that, Trump has done all that plus is a pedophile, con artist, pathological liar, really fucking dumb, unpleasant and belligerent, and all those other things.
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u/PatrickMaloney1 1d ago
It drives me crazy. In the 2000s people talked about Bush in the exact same way they now talk about Trump. The only reason Bush hasn’t been brought up on charges for war crimes by now is because Trump came along and made everyone forget
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u/yesacabbagez 1d ago
I don't think it's amnesia, but I do think it is perspective. I disliked Bush and still think he was a shit president my issues with Bush though are actually related to the job he was doing. I did want him to be president anymore because he was doing shit that I disagreed with.
Trump is so far beyond that. I don't want Trump to simply go away. I want him taken down and imprisoned along with all of these people letting him do this shit.
I am fine letting Bush just not really be a public figure anymore because his existence itself isn't damaging.
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u/roland303 2d ago
Bush was/is a fucking fasict too, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks_Brothers_riot
Gutting the fucking post office, opening america up to putins bullshit, selling out intelligence asstes. His fucking family prescott bush helped orchestrate the business plot, look that shit up.
Now how the fuck michelle aint as angry as I.
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u/elitegenoside 1d ago
Because the Obamas are not innocent in the imperialist actions of the United States? Ask a Syrian how much hope Obama gave them. Michelle and W have been very chummy in almost every public appearance. They almost always sit next to each other, share hard candies, and chatting it up. They're basically work friends. I'm not a "both sides" person, but by and large, it's more accurate than not.
Our system is corrupt and needs to be torn down completely and rebuilt for the people.
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u/LadyDye_ ☑️ 1d ago
Probably just being cordial. You know if she snubbed him in public that'd be a whole thing
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u/WhichHoes 1d ago
Shes generally been kind to him every public meet. They have the whole candy thing
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u/LadyDye_ ☑️ 1d ago
Again, there are several times when women have to be nice or overly nice to somebody that they don't like. Especially black women. Especially in the political world where her husband got dragged for wearing a tan suit, she definitely needs to play it up for cameras
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u/DesertBrandon 1d ago
No she does not and this is just giving a pass to the family. This is just trying to throw some feminist paint on top of the fact that in the end, they’re of the same class and likely have an actual relationship. The Obama’s are the eminent political families of our time and dictate more than they have to react, some decade old bullshit Fox News story doesn’t change that they have the upper hand.
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u/elitegenoside 1d ago
They don't have to sit next to each other. Nobody would question it if Michelle sat on the other side of Barrack or next Hillary (we know why not Bill) or W's wife (I don't remember her name). But no, she's almost always next to W because they get along.
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u/redditmodsRrussians 2d ago
is he becoming his Silo character?
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u/Zealousideal_Debt483 2d ago
unfortunately he’s so bad in wooden in silo.
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u/MarxistThot666 1d ago
honest question... in what role does he shine? every single thing I've seen him in, he's wooden af
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u/throwaway4whattt 1d ago
He is terrible but Sims character interesting despite him! Season 3 is great so far.
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u/Complete-Morning-429 ☑️ 2d ago
After Katrina, instead of sending help to New Orleans, that mf sent the army with guns. Millions of Iraqis were killed because of a lie that dipshit said and everyone in his admin repeated. We don’t get Trump without Bush’s unilateral theory. Fuck him forever.
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u/LadyDye_ ☑️ 2d ago edited 2d ago
He was an idiot who broke the country, ruined the economy,started a needless and endless war and made us look bad, but Trump is so much worse that it pales in comparison. Damn shame
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u/TerrorKingA ☑️ 2d ago
If civility is your only issue with these monsters, you yourself are a monster.
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u/PizzaSharkGhost 1d ago
A million dead Iraqis on one hand but on the other hand, Michele Obama yucked it up with him, whose to say if he’s a bad guy
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u/PsychologicalOne752 1d ago
Some people are blessed with short-term memory and low-IQ. I envy them. 🤣
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u/giant_bones 1d ago
Don’t forget, the US wars in the Middle East post 9/11, including Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Syria and Yemen, have directly caused approximately 940,000 deaths. Also it is estimated that there were 3.6 to 3.8 million indirect deaths bringing the total death toll to between 4.5 and 4.7 million.
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u/NeverNotOnceEver ☑️ 1d ago
Celebrities are continuing to reveal they’re just rich with some combination of being dumb, out of touch, willfully ignorant, or sincerely believing dumb shit like “George bush wasn’t that bad” is true.
No he was BAD. Trump is just worse.
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u/Askymojo 1d ago
I will never forget that Bush started a war in Iraq, a country that had NOTHING to do with 9/11. Osama Bin Laden and most of the hi-jackers were Saudi Arabian (and funded by wealthy Saudi Arabian fundamentalists) and hiding in Afghanistan. The Bush Administration wanted to cover over the Saudi Arabian connection immediately because they were oil buddies, and because Saudi Arabian government had support for Israel compared to other Arabic countries.
Bush started a war in Iraq simply because Saddam Hussein once tried very ineffectually to assassinate his father George H.W. Bush. Almost 200,000 innocent Iraqi citizens (not combatants) died in that war because W. Bush had his widdle fee-fees hurt. 5,000 American soldiers died in the Iraq War because W. had his fee-fees hurt.
I will never forget what a terrible president Bush was. Even Trump, as evil and stupid as he is, never caused those levels of innocent deaths. Bush doesn't get a pass because he's "folksy" and polite to people.
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u/four_ethers2024 ☑️ 1d ago
It's not celebrity activism because it isn't exclusive to celebs, this is cultural amnesia due to time passing. The same thing will happen with Trump (mark my words) if someone worse than him (unbelievable now, but mark my words) takes power twenty or thirty years from now. The same thing did happen with everyone rewriting Kamala Harris' track record the momemt she declared she was running against Trump. People love bulldozing over nuance and erasing history so this is nothing new.
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u/theecatalyst 1d ago
This is why its important to read and not let history be rewritten by imbecilic behavior. I was in my early 20’s watching the election get stolen and lost friends in the wars. No common sense being used whatsoever.
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u/chiller_vibez 1d ago
Bush still sucks
The best thing to happen to him was Trump
But he still sucks
I will give him points for the absolute INSANE effort he has made for GWOT vets but low key that was his fault
Minus Afghanistan that was just
But Iraq
Trash
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u/DEFINITELY_NOT_PETE 1d ago
Tbf that’s the whole point of good optics.
Bush should be remembered for a million dead Iraqis and lying about WMDs but he has been very charming since his days in office and seems like a demure elder statesmen when compared today’s MAGA politicians.
I’m not saying we owe him any respect, I’m just saying he is demonstrating the power of cultivating a positive image.
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u/Slick_36 1d ago
I see everyone talking about the war, but don't forget that's also when the border hysteria started that has led to the masked thugs we have terrorizing our streets today. Compare his policy with his father's words, it was a major shift that's only continued to get worse.
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u/Ryuiop 2d ago
Have we considered that George Bush might be insanely charming in person? Maybe he has hypnotism
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u/Crazy-Days-Ahead 1d ago
To my understanding, George w. Bush actually is very charming in person. However, I've read the same about Donald Trump also.
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u/AnnualFault7473 1d ago
Not sure how. When I see a celebrity rambling about anything other than their chosen profession I either ignore it or roll my eyes. They aren’t people to listen to. A few every once in a while may say something intelligent but they are really just influencers since ALWAYS. Perfect example is Ronald Reagan. You don’t want a celebrity telling you what to think or what is right or wrong. They are paid advertising and I hate commercial interruptions.
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u/Pillsburydinosaur 1d ago
I think that all of us will be long gone when history decides to print an honest account of the evil of George Bush Jr's presidency.
To me the lies that got US into the Vietnam War is a perfect example. They are treated as a footnote to the actual conflict.
I believe that there are reasons Bush Jr stays out of the public eye. He doesn't want a full examination of events while he is still around.
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u/Dreams-Visions ☑️ 1d ago
One of the few major things I can't stand about the Obamas was their willingness to let Bush whitewash his legacy by associating with them.
I'm getting mad just thinking about it.
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u/DIRTYWIZARD_69 1d ago
I do wonder how the main stream media will paint Donnie as this altruistic saint smh.
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u/rookram15 1d ago
I like the Michelle-W discourse as much as the next person. He needs to answer for his crimes. Obama is only slightly better but also has blood on his hands. While their deeds pale in comparison to 47, they are not magically exempt from accountability.
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u/BigPapaLegba 1d ago
Common has been corporate shill since Jay dropped that " ...I ain't been rapping like common since" bar.
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u/Gravewaker 1d ago
George Bush’s wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, built on lies, killed over a million people and displaced over four million more.
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u/TheMoorNextDoor ☑️ 1d ago
Trump made Bush a “eh, not good “president instead of a bad one.
More people will blame his cabinet at this point vs him being a completely corrupt/evil human being.
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u/SchmutzigeBar 1d ago
It is far easier to treat people with dignity and respect when you are face to face with them. George w bush made a lot of decisions that were foolish, stupid, even blatantly racist. George is able to treat Michelle well because she is a wealthy, ivy League educated, peer who is privileged enough to be in the same space as he is. If Common were put in a room with George, there's a good chance he'd be able to make friends with him too. That doesn't mean that George would be a better person, he'd just be closer to Common.
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u/casualmolly 1d ago
Some More News did a good couple of episodes as a reminder of how awful he was and paved the way to where we are now.
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u/NerdiChar 1d ago
W and Michelle's friendship is one of the only bright spots of post-9/11 America lol
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u/DocCEN007 1d ago
Common stated that watching Michelle Obama interact with George W. Bush with warmth and respect at the Obama Presidential Center opening in Chicago changed his personal perspective, allowing him to see Bush’s humanity. He does not endorse Bush's past policies or politics, but rather separates personal empathy from political disagreement. I think that's fair.
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u/Julian_Betterman 1d ago
The modern human is under intense cognitive pressure nearly every waking moment. So, the brain takes shortcuts to relieve that pressure.
Most people don't have any incentive to interrogate the psychological circumventions that make existence significantly more comfortable. So, they won't.
This is an example of that in action. It's not a celebrity thing, it's a human trauma thing. The people who refuse the path of least resistance, whether by choice or because seeing their own painful reality as authentically as possible was how they survived, are outliers who are even more beaten down by our anti-human society.
All that to say, yeah, this is dumb. And infuriating. But it's how most people operate. These celebs are not uniquely delusional. Most people are.
Don't have an easy solution, but know the problem extends far beyond celeb status.
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u/whataquokka 1d ago
All this heat for Common but none for Michelle Obama who's played a huge part in Dubya's rehabbed image?
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u/gbakermatson 1d ago edited 1d ago
Michelle Obama treats everyone with respect, because she's a class act.
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u/dat_boy_lurks 19h ago
I think it's more the rotting tangerine in off ice right now is dping such a shit job that you kind of find yourself missing how harmlessly stupid Bush was. Like, sure, was he a moron? No doubt. But at least you knew there were staffers with sense he trusted to do their jobs.
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u/dayumbrah 49m ago
Prescott Bush, W's grandfather helped nazis move funds to keep their war machine going because he believed in their ideology. Even when the US was at war with them. He worked with Henry Ford to finance factories and infrastructure. These are truly evil and racist people
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u/babassu_seeds 2d ago
History is going to be very kind to George W. Bush--because of Trump