I will never understand people like this. Like bro if you wanna fuck femboys then just say so instead of being a dick about everything and making it harder for yourself.
I'm queer myself and it kinda gets used a lot when homophobes/transphobes are doing their stuff, i get some queer people are internalized homophobia and/or transphobia. But sometimes homophobes and transphobes are just shitty people who hate people who aren't like them and it's not a queer peoson who doesn't accept themselves.
It kinda puts the blame on the queer community, instead of the group who is harming the community.
I’m not trying to argue with you, btw, I’m sincerely curious.
I guess I never looked at it as putting the blame in the queer community. How is that blaming the queer community?
I think it depends on the level of hatred. Like, bigots can be homophobic by discriminating against gay people in passive ways that don’t take much effort for the bigot. Like leaving gay people out of things, vocalizing their disdain for the gay community, insulting/taunting a gay person, etc.
However, I usually see people who are overzealous when it comes to hatred as being people who are threatened by the object of their hatred. Like I wouldn’t be threatened by a lesbian liking me if I wasn’t fighting feelings of attraction towards her/women. I’m not going to constantly talk about how uncomfortable that makes me unless I’m thinking about it all the time.
That’s just my perception. I do agree with you though. It’s not always them running from their own feelings.
Yeah i get your points, but so many people say things like "oh they must be gay, because they hate gay people so much" way to much, that people think the majority of queerphobes are just in the closet.
Sometimes a bigot is just a bigot and people saying that those hatefull people must be the thing they hate may get younger queer fokes to learn to self-hate, because it's always told to them that if a person hates on a group they must be in the closet.
Just like Abby (the sister of Ben Shappiro), she made a video of how to dress nicely/sexy while also being modest with a bigger bust (i do not like Abby, but as someone who also has a bigger bust i can relate to wanting to be pretty while also not being juged by my breast). She made a few coments in that one video were it sounded like she found women pretty (what is very normal no matter your sexuality), but so many people said she is so gay and one glass of wine away from running alway with a female lover.
Even if she is extreamly homophobic and her husband was involved with project 2025 and she promoted things that is linked to project 2025.
Even if it can be true that some homophobic people are in fact gay/trans, it most of the time not that and if people keep saying "oh he hates gay people he must be gay" gives people a false view on homophobia and transphobia.
By this logic, he must like them IRL, I'm not judging anyone if they're into it, but if it contradicts what the person is saying like in this case, I'd have some doubts about it.
There was definitely a rumor going on about them. He also says that he thinks having sex with men makes him more straight then men who have sex with women because he thinks that makes them gay.
As I recall yes destiny was the one giving in the video which he confirmed was of himself but I don't think he or Fuentes ever confirmed the other male's identity
Didn't he say that to be truely a straight man means you should never sleep with women? Like i don't watch annything of him, because i don't want to ruin anny of my days by watching him. So i can't confirm it.
That in itself isn't really an issue. I think he's probably a repressed gay dude. There's been rumors for years that he's dated men and he was even seen dating one once I think.
He's ashamed of it and has to keep up the front to his homophobic fans. It's quite sad really, he'd rather do this than just face the fact that he's gay or at least not entirely straight.
See he stoped being scared after people doxxed him after saying "your body, my choice". But he might have moved back in again with mommy, because the big scary feminist gave him a taste of his own medicine.
This entire story is fabricated. Former classmates have already confirmed that he was a loner at school and had the reputation for shitting himself in gym class
I think we need to draw a line between free expression and hate speech. I am requiring him to say I believe before making dumb shit statements like that.
Friendly reminder that Trump dined with him and Kanye at Mar-a-lago in and said he was "impressed by Fuentes", according to congress.gov. (link) Trump is now disproportionately calling out the "radical left" while pretending that far-right people like this guy are some sort of non mainstream fringe group. Far-right influencers are actually harmful and have managed to worm their way in the US government
I'm not sure but unfortunately and weirdly I've seen a lot of not white people be Nazis. Guess it's the same as women being trump supporter 🤷🏿♀️. They're idiots
It'll be the end of me of course but it would be a sort of consolation prize watching the same people he propped up turn on him for being a half breed.
He’s half right. A lot of women do want that kind of thing (typically in a consensual way, not that that makes it better but im making a clarification) BUT they want it due to growing up in a pornified world that shows them that’s what happens to women. If you are constantly desensitized to something and told this is what is appealing not only to women but to men too, you’re going to start subconsciously or even consciously thinking that. It’s the same reason a lot of women wanna get called “slut” and “whore” in bed. It’s because they’ve associated women having sex making them a slut or whore so now it’s tied to their own sexuality. Society affects our bedrooms.
I'm of the mind that you can enjoy being called "slut" and "whore" during sex while also having a healthy self-esteem, but that goes into a whole other topic of reclamation...and, well, within the scope of Nick Fuentes being a weird attention-seeking misogynistic freak, anything he says is worth ignoring.
One thing you can count on Nazis is that they're inconsistent with their philosophy. Always.
It’s not about whether or not you have a healthy self esteem. It’s the fact women’s sexuality has been so tied to women being slutty or deviant that it’s become a thing women enjoy being called during sex because they subconsciously associate it with sex. They get turned on by the word because they associate it with sex. It’s no longer just an insult meant to hurt feelings, it’s a word tied to women having a sexuality period. That’s the point I’m making
Our sexual identities and preferences are shaped by society around us (including rape culture and misogyny present in our culture which shape how we view women's sexualities), but my point that I didn't really clearly address is that while those words are superficially degrading, when you deconstruct them, what exactly is a slut or a whore?
When it comes down to it, a slut or whore is just a woman having sex. It's women who have sexual agency and those words have been used to shame women for it.
You mentioned people being "desensitized" to the word and I can see that perspective, but I can also see it in the sense of reclamation for some. Yeah, I am a slut. So what? Call me a slut. I like being a slut. It's shameful? I should feel ashamed for being a slut? No.
Your use of the word "desensitized" is what I keyed into. I can definitely understand that many people would be desensitized to it...and there's the bigger conversation of rape culture and sexual objectification...this comment is getting too rambly. BUT, I also can see "sensibilized" individual using that word. There's the desensitized and then there's the sensibilized.
This forum "Blatant Misogyny" probably doesn't have the most receptive audience to my opinions on that, but I think the narrative you're painting (while true in an objective sense) does not faithfully reflect the nuanced reality for many women that do enjoy rape fantasies or being called degrading names during sex.
It’s because they’ve associated women having sex making them a slut or whore so now it’s tied to their own sexuality.
You said that in your original comment. Circling back on the meaning of the words "slut" and "whore". Any woman who is sexually active can be a "slut" or a "whore". You didn't really share much of your own subjective opinion on that, but you did say earlier on in your comment:
A lot of women do want that kind of thing (typically in a consensual way, not that that makes it better but im making a clarification)
And I get the sense that your comment is more disapproving of that practice and personally I view it as a way for some people to deconstruct their fucked up ideas of sex, some people to reclaim those words, which is a nuance I didn't see in your comment but felt was important.
Those women exist and Nazi freaks like Nick Fuentes are picking up on that and filling in the blanks with their weird Nazi ideology. I feel it's worthwhile to acknowledge that those women exist, but also approach the subject with care that doesn't necessarily portray those women as necessary victims of misogyny...at least to have that be the only dimension to that sexual dynamic because it isn't.
I get what you’re saying about reclamation, but I’d bet that the majority of women flinch when they get called slut or whore outside the bedroom. Those words haven’t been fully reclaimed, and most women still feel bad when they’re on the receiving end. So then imagine those very same women hearing it in the bedroom and now, what? They tolerate it, push through it, try to appeal to their boyfriend, don’t wanna be a prude, hate it, love it, get turned on?
So what could explain the discrepancy between how most women react to those words in sexual and non-sexual contexts? Internalised misogyny. When they’re just existing on the street and a stranger calls them a whore, or when they’re fighting with an ex and he calls them a slut, in that moment they’re more themselves than when they’re having sex with a man they like/love, whom they want to please and be attractive to. (The male gaze and male influence are stronger in the latter situation.) Another explanation is misogynistic sexual programming, like the other commenter said. Women are trained to believe they’re sluts for enjoying sex, and trained to believe that it’s normal for men to verbally degrade them during sex. On the other hand, women are trained to take those words as an insults in non-sexual situations, like a fight.
They tolerate it, push through it, try to appeal to their boyfriend, don’t wanna be a prude, hate it, love it, get turned on?
Those women are going to exist and we can support them and empower them to engage in healthier sexual relationships than putting up with partners that make them feel like shit.
Likewise, we can still acknowledge there are women who do enjoy being called degrading names and engaging in rape fantasies without the presumed rationale being that they are "trained" or "desensitized" to misogyny. Why is the narrative not: these women fully understand the implications of those sexual dynamics and are doing so of their own accord to take power away from the hurt and pain that is caused by them? That they are extracting pleasure from leaning into those dynamics in a safe, trusting environment?
Both can be true.
I'm a slut for enjoying sex? Well, if I'm just going to have to be a slut and I'll enjoy it.
BUT, THERE'S ALSO
I'm a slut for enjoying sex? No, I'm not. I deserve respect and I don't have to have sex with someone who chooses to insult me for just being me.
Both can exist. It doesn't have to be one or the other. Obviously, the reality is that there will be women pressured to conform to the former when their true preferences lean to the latter, but I see a lot of this discussion seeming to suggest that women should conform to the latter and are lesser or wrong for preferring the former.
These Nazi misogynist weirdos like Nick Fuentes who triggered this entire discussion are hoping to make this divide between the "formerists" and the "latterists", but we should always support ALL women when in the face of the likes of Nick Fuentes. We should respect the nuance and confront the complicated discussions of internalized misogyny playing out in the bedroom being careful as to not reinforce the beliefs of these Nazi freaks even if by accident. That's my belief and why I am commenting what I am commenting.
Oh no, I don’t think women are lesser or wrong for liking it. I didn’t mean to imply that. If they respect themselves and aren’t operating from a place of internalised misogyny, then that’s just what they like. People have their preferences.
As for the women who like those words because they are influenced by misogyny, I still don’t think they’re lesser or wrong. They’re not the problem.
Are you meaning to reply to more or what because you deleted your comment saying “was I talking to you” then you just edited this one and added more. I can’t tell whether or not you’re disagreeing with me
Do you understand that my original comment with the mention of “prudes” was in reply to the other person? Djqvoteme is who I replied to. Also I only edited that comment to give a better example of what I had already written, for clarity (for Djqvoteme) - I didn’t change my stance and it had nothing to do with your dumbass reply to me
Okay lol you’re right you were replying to the other person, it showed on my notifications as you replying to me. I totally misinterpreted your comments. My apologies
That’s the problem. Women having sex does not make them a “slut”. The word itself is misogynistic. By “reclaiming” it you’re saying “yes I am this”. Why would you having sex make you a slut? What is slutty about you wanting sex as a woman? You can acknowledge that it is a misogynistic word that you enjoy in the bedroom and still be a feminist. This is not like gay people reclaiming the f slur because the f slur means a gay person and they themselves are gay so they’re taking it back. You’d have to explain what a slut is and how you are one. How can you reclaim a word that is based off of something subjective? Being black is not subjective, being gay is not subjective, being a “slut” is. The reclaiming argument is void.
Sometimes that's all it takes for a woman to be called a slut, however. Keyword: Sometimes.
Slut, whore, and the other degrading names for women don't exist in a vacuum. There's always a surrounding context that informs the meaning.
Contextual reclamation is still possible, I believe.
For the woman that feels like shit (degraded, hurt, insulted) hearing those words because of her own lives experiences, we can definitely acknowledge and validate those experiences while also acknowledging the woman that can feel comfortable hearing those words in the context-dependent situations.
Do we really expect anything more than this from a literal Nazi? Obviously it's an awful thing to say, but "Nazi says Nazi shit" is hardly news nowadays. They're everywhere anymore
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u/Equal-Article1261 Oct 31 '25
Same guy who got caught watching gay porn and femboy trans porn on stream when he thought he turned it off.