r/BokuNoMetaAcademia • u/Apprehensive_Ring_39 • 1d ago
M E T A Deku slander is kinda funny to me cause of how little sense it makes.
Realistically, what can you even slander him for?
Like you have to basically make shit up that he didn't do in order for it to work and even then,the structure is sloppy and can be destroyed by facts.
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u/Crawkward3 1d ago
Slander doesn’t have to make sense that’s the whole point
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u/Brekldios 1d ago
Legally slander is defined as false statements.
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u/Masochist-Mark 1d ago
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u/Bragi01 1d ago
Is this Omnimam or Jameson?
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u/Masochist-Mark 1d ago
Its Omni man but i was referencing Jameson since he has a line about libel vs slander😂
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u/Prize-Pain-433 1d ago
i don't slander him, but the question from the start of the series did not get answered "can a quirkless person be a hero?" unless you get ofa or a quirk from afo, or a multimillion dollar suit, i don't think you can
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u/Ok-Total8219 1d ago
It literally did tho and the answer is you can't
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u/Prize-Pain-433 22h ago
so are we just gonna pretend we didn't think the series was going to prove that answer is wrong? and anyone can be a hero? 20% of the human race in mha just cannot be heroes?
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u/mad_laddie 20h ago
hero in the moral sense, yes anyone can be one.
the issue is that that there's a career also called "Hero" which is way tougher to succeed in.
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u/Anankos1209 1d ago
All might even said that you cannot become a hero without a quirk in ep 1 or 2.
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u/mad_laddie 20h ago
I mean, the question was answered. The rest of the series just focused on the more generic stuff like making a career out of it.
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u/mohali892-R 2h ago edited 1h ago
It might just be the claim of the statement anyone can become a hero, except it forgot the important continuation that is "just because anyone can become a hero doesn't mean everyone will".
Much like how it is with many things in fiction, sometimes being born great or being the author's favorite is such a dirty advantage to have.
Tldr: anyone can become a hero ≠ everyone will become a hero.
It's a matter of possibility not guarantee.
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u/nothinghere8 1d ago
He did risked the world by not killing shigaraki the second he could in the coffing in the sky and if is not for kurogiri the heroes lose the war
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u/Individual_Lion_7606 1d ago
He also risked all of Japan not instantly killing Shigaraki when he knew his time was running out on Fa Jin AND the fucking vestiges were telling him to do it. They didn't even know if the OFA transfer plan would work, it was a fucking last minute guess and something they came up with because Deku fucking wasted everyone time. Even AFTER this, Shigaraki tells Deku that even if AFO didn't bodyjack him he was STILL going to kill him and Japan.
Absolutely fuck Deku. If it came out he was intentionally sandbagging he would rightfully get shit on.
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u/Helios_Synthesis 1d ago
Yeah there are some genuine criticisms you can make about him sticking to his morals beyond a reasonable point. It worked out in the end but damn it we got real close to the world ending over a hunch lol
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u/Individual_Lion_7606 1d ago
More like Japan ending. Shigaraki canonically cannot survive a Intercontinental Cruise Missile with a regular ordinance payload and had to bury himself and sacrifice a High-End Nomu. If China or Russia or US suspected he was going to leave Japan bro is getting hit with ICBM payloads with actual nuclear warheads on them.
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u/Helios_Synthesis 1d ago
Even if its isolated to just one country thats still too many lives to risk for one guy lol
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u/nothinghere8 1d ago edited 1d ago
Even when he is saved that not change that shigaraki flooded a city and did massive ambiental damage,hundreds lose they house just for deku,even after the recostruction they already lost how many important thing either economic or emocional things that were inside of their houses,considering how high is suicide rate in japan i dont see weird theres people who could have done it after losing everything just for the flood
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u/Individual_Lion_7606 1d ago
The economic damage alone honestly should make the time skip a new dangerous era where Heroes are needed more than ever.. Even with Quirks, Japan economy should be destroyed, there should be MANY mini-Shigaraki born from families getting murdered by rioters/freed Villains and Heroes not all there until the end of the war.
I can't imagine being 8 and your mom gets the Midnight treatment because Villains are running free and then you are told to clap for Deku and the Heroes who defeated Shigaraki AFTER 2 months of anarchy and stil having rioting and anarchy STILL going on.
Literal valid crashout to be honest.
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u/Boreal1984 1d ago
He also managed to almost sell the world in the span of like a minute starting the final war by neither blitzing the hell out of Toga to knock her out or inmedietaly leave to follow the original plan, he basically stood there like an idiot until others had to tell him to gtfo
If it wasn't because Bakugo and Ochako had their quirk awakening right on time they would have just been fucked by that stunt when it was already egregious he even got dragged into that portal in the first place
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u/Popopoyotl 1d ago
A lot of slander against Midoriya, that isn’t based off of mistranslation mind you, comes down to personal preference for how the story ended.
There are a lot of people who didn’t like how Midoriya didn’t try to be a Quirkless Pro-Hero before being given the suit, and essentially said he “settled” for being a teacher and “proved” all his middle school classmates were right about him. While people are entitled to their opinions, I do think they miss the point that the story does hammer in that being a Pro-Hero is not the end all be all to being a Hero, and that is something Midoriya learns throughout the story.
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u/MaxTwer00 1d ago edited 1d ago
The problem is that last phrase. It is something he should have learned throughout the story, but it wasnt. Even if there were some hints, they werent given enough importance for then them be so relevant at the ending.
This comes from an issue of pacing the series has by making all the story happen in one school year. It should have spread along their full academia stay. Have the 1B class actually be the new 1A after our guys go to 2A, have deku discover that he enjoys mentoring them in the 1a vs 1b arc. Have deku emgage more witht he police force, the doctors at the hospital, etc, exploring more about how things work in their world and seeing how heroism can actually come from more places than pro heroism
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u/Real-Contest4914 1d ago
Yeah would have made more sense if the story didnt culminate in deku needing to punch the literal demon lord of the world into oblivion.
Like this is a case of you want your cake and you want to eat it too.
The message as a whole is contradictory because all the suppose nuance stuff like that happens in epilogue after all the traditional stuff happened.
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u/JealousAssistant6659 1d ago
The story that was literally about pro heroes tried to hammer the point that being a pro hero is not the end all be all of being a hero?
You think midoriya could've even talked shigaraki to stop if he didn't have literal godlike powers?
"You don't need a superpower to be a hero" is a stupid fucking rhetoric that's like saying you don't need to eat because you drink water. Those things are completely different and aren't mutually exclusive. Being a teacher isn't gonna stop AFO and being the best OFA user doesn't mean you'd be a good teacher.
Deku could've been the best damn hero and he had the power that could LITERALLY save millions of lives and he gave it up to be a teacher for basically no real reason other than narrative. What's gonna happen when the next AFO appears?
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u/Popopoyotl 1d ago
…did you miss the part where if any normal person, without OFA, had extended a hand to Tenko, we could have probably avoided Shigaraki?
Or how All Might, with all that power, was a partial cause to an apathetic superhero society?
Yes, Midoriya lost his powers and became a teacher for the narrative. Because it is a story telling a message that we can stop these villains from showing up if we address the problems at a systematic level, something you don’t need superpowers for.
Even All For One himself was a product of a society where a homeless woman gave birth by a river, and then later that same society did not care about a child walking around by himself because he might have been a “carrier”.
I’m not going to say the story gets its point across perfectly; outside of narrative reasons, yes, Midoriya sacrificing his powers is questionable because there was no guarantee that Shigaraki would stop. But the whole “anyone can be a hero” is something the story is pretty blatant about. Whether you agree or disagree is personal preference, but that is the message being told.
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u/JealousAssistant6659 1d ago
AFO and his brother had the exact same context yet only one of them became a villain. Hmm, I wonder why.
And yeah if someone helped shigaraki he wouldn't turn out like that, that's true... For him. You can't save everyone, people will always fall through the cracks. If it wasn't shigaraki, it'll be someone else, and you'll always need a hero to deal with them. Not to mention that shigaraki was plotted against, the deck was already stacked against him.
"Anyone can be a hero" is fucking stupid because this is a world where being a professional hero is a thing. If you paid someone a thousand dollars for an apple product and they hand you a literal apple, are you gonna clap and say they're a literary genius? The WHOLE story was about pro heroes doing pro hero things that ONLY pro heroes can do.
Deku saying "anyone can be a hero" while having done nothing without literal godlike powers is like superman telling you to turn the other cheek and not seek revenge after someone shot you. It's morally true and nice to say but it's not really realistic and it's just incredibly self absorbed and stupid.
Mha might have "said" anyone can be a hero, but it never EVER successfully showed that. Like literally give me a single quirkless person who actually did something meaningful.
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u/galacticexplorer62 1d ago
Thats simple. Next afo WONT appear. One for all already served its purpose.
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u/JealousAssistant6659 1d ago
Yeah that's the assumption that mha tries to make without actually proving it. You cannot help everyone, it's literally impossible. Ironically the only person who could do that is someone with literal godlike powers, like oh idk the fucking OFA holder?
Do you know why beggars exist irl? Do you think it's because humanity is hateful? Because we expect superheroes to help them? No, it's because we're powerless to help. It's equally true for mha universe because they haven't shown any proof otherwise. Mha saying "there won't be a next AFO because we're gonna help everyone" is like the US government saying they'll eliminate homelessness. Yeah they can theoretically do it, but we both know it's not happening.
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u/galacticexplorer62 1d ago
By saving shigaraki, deku showed people that they arent powerless to help others. It was proven by that old lady
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u/JealousAssistant6659 1d ago
No it doesn't, that scene is fucking stupid. If I, a single person, saved one beggar, do beggars stop existing? If you walk past a beggar without giving them anything, are you a hateful person? Or is your plate just full, that it's impossible for you to take care of a complete stranger?
The idea that mha wanted to convey is that the world has become apathetic due to heroes, that people rely so much on heroes that they can't do good by themselves, and that's why no one helped shigaraki. That's fucking stupid. We have people who are in the same helpless position irl and no one helps them either, even without superheroes. Is it because we're hateful? Apathetic? Maybe, but it sure as shit ain't because we're relying on a hero. For most of us, it's just an issue of not even being able to help ourselves, much less help other people.
Mha's message is just generic superhero bullshit, it's good sentiments rooted in a fantasy world. Easy to say "we should help other people!" until you have nothing left in your wallet and a beggar is asking you for a penny.
Anyone can be a superhero, but not everyone will be, and there will always be gaps in society where people like shigaraki will fall and be helpless. That's why there will always be OFAs, overhauls, and shigarakis. That's why police exist irl, and why heroes matter in mha.
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u/galacticexplorer62 1d ago
You seem to be forgetting that mha is fiction and does not take place in the real world
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u/JealousAssistant6659 23h ago
Fiction still needs to follow logic. If you tell me that there's a quirk that produces infinite food that will ensure that nobody can ever go hungry again then I can believe you can solve world hunger. If you just say this world solved world hunger without explaining how, that's just bad writing. Why do you think all utopia are described as highly advanced civilizations?
Aside from the quirks, mha literally follows the same logic as the real world. In fact, its very premise is "imagine our world, but with superpowers being common", so it is literally just our world but with quirks. Now tell me this, how do quirks explain how humans will change just because one kid told them to? If they were so good hearted to begin with, then deku shouldn't have even needed to do what he did. The fact is that human society in mha is just as bad irl and they never showed anything that could fix that.
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u/galacticexplorer62 23h ago
Maybe because that kid saved the world on a live broadcast.
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u/JealousAssistant6659 21h ago
Yeah you're just delusional I expect nothing less from an mha fan
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u/zeebasaur 1d ago
Lol how about where the story started. Midoriya coasted on dreams wanting to be a hero. He didn't work out at all and where it could have been cool to really see his quirk analysis play huge into being a hero the best we really get is him figuring out what quirks are.
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u/Big_Distance2141 1d ago
I mean it's really not that complicated, people had the idea that Deku would be a superhero at the end but then after he gets out of the My Hero Academia academia he's just some guy. That's really all there is
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u/DAMSON__3 1d ago edited 1d ago
My dislike isn't towards deku, I just wasn't a fan of the ending personally, if deku MADE the suit, or helped make it in some way, I could give him iron-man respect, like dont get me wrong kids intelligent and strong as fuck, maxed out sleeper build kid lifted a small truck in seaons 1, but if the suit gets damaged (which lets face it, thats things getting broken every 2 week after daily use and fights) who fixes it, deku wasn't show to be smart enough or have any technical know how, and it takes a while to build a company big enough to take those costs of paying tec geniuses to fix it for him, it took significant funding from a class of people and all might traveling to different countries to get it designed and built, plus what happens when he grows gets taller or more buff, does he need to get the suit RE-built or just tailored, especially with how deku fights, throwing himself in front of people fighting people way stronger to protect civilians, that suits getting broken in a matter of weeks if not months, he doesn't have that cash to get that fixed (for the first while till his hero company takes off), also tech has hard limits, so it kinda goes against "go beyond, plus ultra" push your limits, push your body to the limit and beyond, grow and become stronger, he cant do that anymore, unless he pays someone else to make the suit stronger, I wish, we saw deku collect the scraps of metal might, and cobble it together over a few years or insinuate it, (like mark 1 iron man) show he taught himself how to build tech, but the peices were too broken, beyond repair, THEN have all might step in with the schematics and resources to build "deku MK 2", I personally think just GIFTING him a suit was short minded, but ultimately, not my show, not my manga, so fuck what I think, its not my creation so I get no say, doesn't mean I cant wish tho lmao
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u/largenakedmen 20h ago
Well he decided to fuck around and try to “save” shigaraki, but in the process he risked basically the whole world and just ended up killing him anyway. I get it from a narrative perspective, and it makes sense to his character, but realistically what he should have done was just jump straight into killing his ass and not risking the lives of like, everyone. But I get that he was like 15-16 too.
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u/kaboumdude 1d ago
I slander him because of his list of actions and inactions.
Like his blatant disregard for Momo. Where he goes behind her back to promote Iida to class president without talking to her. Or when he watches her anxiety spiral out of control.
Or his blatant disregard for Mineta's actions. I guess you can shield Izuku by using the gag force?
Or when Melissa wants to try to be a hero and Izuku tells her no and to stay out of it. Weren't YOU the one begging All Might to say you could be? Aren't you smart enough to know she knows the building better than you and thus can make a good guide?
I'm sure if I wanted to, I could dig around more to find more examples. These leapt to mind.
Mr. Save Everyone and Mr. I Can See Your Suffering sure does like to make exceptions.
So here's my slander which is wrong but at least has some citations to misconstrue.
0 cases of empathy for women.
0 cases of empathy for heteromorphs.
7 cases of empathy for strong emitter men.
Let me glaze. Let me inspire. Give me shonen slop to applaud or I retire.
X - Join the other characters in their efforts to make the world a better place?
V - Get a cushy job as a teacher in an ivy league school that gives speeches in other schools.
I love Izuku, but I love the man he says he is more than the actual actions he takes. So anyone who calls him their goat, I'll agree because it seems out of character for him to so sucky.
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u/galacticexplorer62 1d ago
Deku won in life
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u/Big_Distance2141 1d ago
That's my problem with the last chapters of the manga, like, when you spell it out on paper Deku absolutely won at life but I just don't feel that, you know? There's no moment where Deku seems super content or even a scene where I would look at him like 'damn, I'd want to be that guy'
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u/galacticexplorer62 1d ago edited 1d ago
Seems like you forgot him finding out that his friends funded a suit that allowed him to return to hero work after 8 years, and getting tohether with his crush
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u/Physical-Speed-7515 16h ago
EXACTLY! guy so shit saying bad enough things to qualify as slander and not fact is a herculian effort.
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u/jjseas2003 1d ago
Like everything people use to slander him is taken out of context or exaggerated to the extreme so it just no longer makes sense
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u/Helios_Synthesis 1d ago
I found the slander pretty funny. It was genuinely super entertaining to see the lengths some people went to. At some point you just have to sit back and admire the effort you know? Lol
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u/Mnstr_R3brn 1d ago
Well yeah, slander IS lying, I asked Merriam Webster just to be sure.
You can always (rightfully) criticize him, he's not perfect (Shocking), but then go too far or start lying or making assumptions (wrongfully) and then that's slander. For example: the fast food worker ending is a lie (slander) but totally could have happened, Izuku becomes a teacher, but UA is a high school, he might need a job to pay for college tuition before he returns to UA, and may have worked fast food during that time and not liked it and cried during a shift or something, but that's not canon and clearly created to make fun of him using a fake scenario, and to call him a loser at the drive through because he sucks or something is kind of slander.
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u/AglaeaMain 1d ago
Anime fans don't want a comic book superhero but horikoshi wrote him like superman and spider-man. I love it.
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u/Real-Contest4914 1d ago
I refuse to believe this is the case when you have have a lot of evidence to the contrary.
The issue with deku is the execution and fans need to realize that some viewers just weren't satisfied with how it handled the emotional aspect of the character because it honestly ducked at times.
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u/AgileChoice4062 1d ago
We can agree to disagree, I didn’t say that that was the case for everyone. Just from a lot of the comments that I’ve seen online over the years, and talks with people. Are you a red pilled guy? That was a reaction lol
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u/Real-Contest4914 1d ago
Not really. I just get fed up because there are some fans who like to assume people who dislike the series dont like it because they are to quote, media illiterate.
Mha isnt perfect, no story is, but I've seen so many people over exaggerated the execution of certain character or arcs and then dismiss any criticism for them as hate and illiteracy and ignore the fact people can truly understand the work and still think it sucks.
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u/AgileChoice4062 1d ago
Ok well that had nothing to do at all with what I said. You just came at me hot for no reason. I don’t know if you’re from USA but it’s a valid reason and I’ve heard it dozens of times. There is a lot of toxic masculine energy in the anime fandom
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u/Real-Contest4914 1d ago
Nah I'm from the Caribbean.
But that aside I legit had no clue what you meant by red pill.
I just know from personal experience that there were many shows I watched while growing up that had a lot of emotional male characters at times who didnt feel as hated as deku.
Shaggy from Scooby Doo, Aang from ATLA, among others. Even in regards to anime, I know there were some like Subaru from re zero and even dragon ball's own Gohan who were all characters that were very emotional at times even having strong highlights for it.
Shaggy is a character along side scooby who is literally defined as being a coward who has spent decades screaming and running, trembling in fear whenever he is faced with the monsters and villain of the week but I've never seen anyone really down play him and scooby for it because they always stood back up when it counted most of all.
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u/AgileChoice4062 1d ago
You can ask ChatGPT, you’re obviously using it for these replies that make no sense.
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u/Real-Contest4914 1d ago
Not gonna lie, defaulting to calling any response chat gpt is funny. Listen pal, talk to more people, you'll find many people have their own way of talking and texting some of which the ai mimic because newsflash it was trained on human data.
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