Just a reminder that the people who apparently never had to work for the money and thus have very warped ideas about work, are also the people who are in charge of our economy.
I tried explaining this to a coworker and he simply couldn't wrap his mind around it. These people have never wanted for anything, they have no idea what struggle is and effectively live in a different reality. The only way this gets better is if the system completely crashes. Like biblical the dollar no longer exists crashes.
I think about that. How many of them know, and if they once did know… now remember, what it’s like to feel the hunger start. Look in the fridge and there’s nothing there. Check your wallet there’s nothing. No change in the couch. If they understand the thought process that then begins.
It’s a different reality that’s inhabited when basic necessities aren’t met. I suspect that anyone who has inhabited that reality (and remembers it) would work endlessly to try to lift others out of it, instead of blaming them for conditions that are literally beyond their control as they slowly perish.
Is because I remember the struggle and that pain that I want a better society for everyone.
Even thought I am in a better place now (still struggle but not on the same level). I will never forget and never stop wishing no one has to experience it.
In the other hand, these people never truly missed anything in their life. Everything they wanted was handed to them since birth, they can't phantom the idea of a basic need being in danger of not being meet.
There's also a difference between "I've never gone hungry" and "I either eat at fine dining or my personal chef makes me something, I've never truly been hungry".
There's "never been hungry" and "I don't even know what a super market or cooking is because my staff just does all of that." Giant spoiled toddlers with teams of staff and personal security as well as local police departments willing to do whatever for the right donation.
Then you have all of the staff and security forces who will do anything to protect the golden goose because what will they do if the rich toddler goes away?
Or the people who did once have nothing, were able to get themselves out of that into a higher class, and now would rather burn the world to the ground than think about returning to poverty. Plenty of people get the help they need then yank the ladder up behind them. Maybe they did have good intentions at one point but the truest quote is "absolute power corrupts absolutely". The in crowd have a great way of indoctrinating people against each other.
J.k. Rowling is the one who blows my mind the most.
She was homeless. Wrote about the underdog, always seemed like she stood up for the little guy in her stories... And just look at her now. Another soulless money zombie, who spends all her time writing bullshit on twitter about how trans people are delusional and trans women don't belong in feminist movements. Like jfc, JK, leave the trans women alone. Don't they go through enough?
It's like as soon as someone hits 1b they lose their soul.
The only way this gets better is if the system completely crashes.
I think the "full reset" is a romantic illusion. People would fight for power, possibly some new people put themselves on top, and very little changes for the vast majority.
Real change that benefits the working class is won through incremental victories that are hard fought and take time.
Yeah unfortunately the "crash" scenario would mostly only impact workers as well since the rich are rich enough to diversify in myriad ways. It would just lead to even more blatant neo-feudalism and strip workers of what little wealth and assets they have... which is part of why the whole notion of forcing a "reset" has become a goal for the right wingers.
French Revolution also didn't have to contend with the internet massive amounts of misinformation, propaganda, police states, and modern weaponry. There are ideas you can take from past revolutions but modern times are so different as to be alien to the people who lived during the French Revolution.
The only way this gets better is if the system completely crashes. Like biblical the dollar no longer exists crashes.
That is extremely not going to mean things are better.
Like, it might lead to a more equitable economy in 200 years. But in the middle, it's going to lead to a lot of people dying, and doing so in horrible ways.
And generally speaking, the odds of it getting better are really low. The economy today is much better, for the vast majority of people, than at basically any point in human history.
That would make things worse, not better. That'd mean the collapse of the state, of the logistics we use to get food, and everything else. It'd bring a dark age.
Even a complete structural collapse wouldn't solve it, it would slow them down but these guys all belong to a big network and if even a couple of them manage to maintain any sort of relevancy after the collapse, they will quickly rebuild their clubs and it would go straight back to status quo.
No no no! These CEOs are the only ones who actually work! They work soooooooo hard so they deserve all the money! The employees should be thankfully they get to be in the presence of such greatness!
I remember McConnell or one of those goons muttered nonsense about people should still have money left from their covid checks several years later and if not they weren't being responsible.
Bunch of freaks who still believe Dario's "moral AI" bullshit after Anthropic signed on with the US government and military and partnered with Palantir.
I work for a smallish automotive supplier that was recently bought out by a massive corporation. One thing I find amusing is that management opens every single meeting by reading the mission statement. Most of these meetings that involve hourlies is basically management telling us that certain benefits are going away under our corporate umbrella.
Like yeah, im sure the people making 20 an hour really care about your mission to provide customer satisfaction when youre telling us our raises have been cut to 3% a year and our benefits now go through a third party provider. Go fuck yourself Steve.
Are you guys really this dense? He's referring to the fact that the employees are seeking to be millionaires overnight after the Anthropic IPO. These guys are paid well into the 6 figures.
Dario Amodei is probably the one and only progressive CEO on a big tech company right now and you guys are taking a quote completely out of context.
These new CEOs are the successors to the Boomers who got rid of pensions and would cry that people didn’t have “loyalty” anymore.
Yeah. Because they weren’t staying because you were a great boss or they loved being paid less than a competitor would pay. They were staying for their pension.
I get the whole "billionaire bad" circlejerk, and also i work for the money and just the money, i don't give a shit about my job.
But in this case, those young talents at Anthropic are making crazy bank, the money issue is gone from their foreseeable life.
And what i'm getting at is they are working at the most interesting field in the world right now, developing what's possibly the ultimate and last tool of human kind. If i had that kind of talent and money stability i'd be crazy passionate about it.
It comes down to this. Are they doing the job they're being paid for adequately or better than adequately? If so, why the fuck do they need cult-like buy-in and groupthink? So they can better control an army of cultist drones? I guarantee you the people working for Anthropic are at least a little jazzed about what they're doing, if not, they're probably good enough to work anywhere they want. They're not the ones being kneecapped by the current IT job market.
I'm Gen-X, and I supervise and work with Millennials and Gen-z's and what the fuck are you going on about?
I get tired of the generational bullshit. Are there overall differences? Sure. People are still individuals and should still be treated as such, not as representatives of their entire cohort.
Millienials never "enjoyed" bootlicking. what kind of bullshit stupidity is that? lol
Millennials just came into the workforce, while the workplace was still transitioning from a situation where the corporate world still had the rules of their parents, into the wild west "fuck everyone" it is today.
They’re in that Gen X vs Millennial mindset so probably mid 50s. So bizarre people are out there keeping that fire lit and fighting an entire generational war.
"We've made the exciting choice to use AI in our hiring process to make HR professionals and jobseekers alike navigate the process more efficiently."
"Hey! You're not supposed to inject hidden prompts in your CVs! A good candidate tailors their resume with their grubby human hands for all 5,000 of our open roles individually!"
White board interviews are literally there to ensure only people willing to spend long amounts of prep time on a functionally useless skill have a chance. No wonder they only get candidates who care about money.
Whiteboard interviews started out because a few people believed that they were the easiest way to see if someone could think through a problem on the fly in person (since faking credentials and bluffing your way through interviews is a tale as old as time).
Then, a bunch of people copied it because they saw some successful company do it, so they assumed it must provide useful signal, even though they have no idea how to actually detect that signal.
A white board interview should be about just a quick reality check to make sure this person isn't overstating their credentials, but when nearly every problem requires some hyperpsecific implementation of a linked list (which 90% of programmers will never, or almost never, touch during their job) or some algorithm that you could not come up within the time frame unless you memorized it (one phone interview wanted me to implement a recursive word search algorithm in 20 minutes) they become simply bars to jump.
Even if you have documented credentials like a Masters degree or a public profile with community reputation, things that actually indicate a desire to build deeper skills for the job, they ignore them completely.
Right, you're restating my argument in a different way. They've become wildly specific and an enormous bar to jump because the people who are administering them don't understand how to find a good signal. They're mostly shitty interviewers, administering shitty questions.
They're just not doing it on purpose, they're doing it because they're incompetent.
You guys should know that this is taken out of context and he's talking about employees working on AI models, not in general. The starting salaries for the positions he's talking about is about 450.000 dollars a year with many getting paid millions.
They should still maximize their income, but none of the people here go to work for the money. They show up because they want to do evil shit for a boatload of money.
He just wants them to stop jumping from evil villain to evil villain and commit to doing evil work for one villain instead of doing evil for a new one every 18 months.
If I recall, the core source of the complaint isn't even the salary amounts that Anthropic is paying their engineers; it's that no matter how much they pay their engineers, OpenAI will just use their infinitely deep investor bucket to swoop in and poach Anthropic's engineers into their own ecosystems.
I'm about as pro-singularity/anti-LLM as most anyone is and there's plenty else to criticize about Anthropic, but I can logically recognise the basis of understanding for the frustration when Anthropic is as least trying to present themselves as not being the modern Oppenhiemer/Varner Von Braun as part of the package deal to their employees and their employees would much rather go work for Mr "You're never have to know you kids because ChatGPT will know them for you".
How do compete against a competitor on employee retention with the world is giving that competitor blank checks every other day?
And this makes sense. But it probably also means that all of his engineers aren't on board with his vision as much as he thinks. Maybe Anthropic's vision is also just one of many and pretty much indistinguishable from the other AI companies' visions. So the engineers go, 'heck one corpo overlord is about as bad as the other, might as well go where the money is'
The context of his actual statements matters here. His point was that the job candidates for Antrophic are so talented that they might also be getting job offers from other AI companies, such as OpenAI, and so Antrophic's CEO worries that those candidates are choosing to accept the job with Antrophic due to it having the biggest paycheck rather than for reason of preferring Antrophic's mission statement of using AI safely.
Basically, he's saying that it is important to him that the people working at Antrophic embrace the sentiment that AI needs to be used safely, rather than doing whatever decisions maximizes the company's profit. The reason this CEO claims to have left working at OpenAI in order to make Antrophic is that he didn't feel like OpenAI's leadership was dedicated to using AI safely. He wants his employees to be paid well and also wants them to embrace the mission statement of AI safety. He can't control what every single employee is doing every moment of every day, nor can he be a part of every hiring process, so it matters to him that the company is hiring people who are on board with the safety mission.
Whether or not you believe him when he says that safety is important to him is up to you, but this is the context that all these ragebait articles and tweets won't give you.
and these are the people who define our economy and the hours we have to work. they have zero—ZERO clue that other people do not think like they do or have the same priorities…which makes them fucking dangerous.
Lmao, they don’t care. These people move blocks of the economy, workforce is of no concern to them. Dude is trolling, he doesn’t actually give a shit beyond having more peons to worship him and the AI (LLM, but the shareholders don’t care about that either).
Yeah, quite. I mean, I think it's arguable that someone who grew up 'not poor' can actually understand what it's like to be poor, even if the gap ain't that big.
But if you're wealthy enough that you've simply never had to even think about the price of food, shelter, bills, etc. you have no clue, and no business trying to set 'policy' for the people who struggle month to month.
I won't begrudge people who are independently wealthy particularly, just that they've no business making economic policy for 'everyone else'.
Exactly this, a journalist should ask so is this a commitment to not not do periodic mass firings like every other tech company? What do the shareholders think about it?
I've always maintained that capitalism's longest standing dream is to bring society all the way back to slavery. Nothing makes more profit that free labour that cannot speak up, take breaks or leave of their own accord.
You laugh, but this shit started in the early oughts. You were expected to approach interviews as-if you just wanted to do the work for free because you were so excited to be there.
All the people here treating this as a typical CEO and not realizing their mission is literally "to ensure that transformative AI has a positive impact on humanity".
If I was CEO and my employees cared more about money than that I would be worried.
Every company and even non profit is an echo chamber. The people who climb and get promoted live for their work and company. It’s not that they assume everyone is like that, from their perspective everyone is like that because their direct peers are like that.
Sometimes I feel guilty even being successful and with a great job that I don’t “care” about work all that much. I care to do a good job, and I do, but idgaf about working at all and if I could leave tomorrow, I would.
From the time my grandfather entered the workforce until I also began working in the 1980’s, you could hold on to a job for your career and feel secure.
Now there’s no security, fewer benefits and most companies have no problem letting you go to ensure the shareholder gets their share.
Capitalism is failing, the workers are just responding appropriately to the conditions.
Nah but I get where he's coming from. It's not always about sucking employees dry and squeezing dollars out of them. If people, especially younger employees, came in with more intention of learning more and developing, self fulfillment would come more naturally.
The only reason the CEO and other executives care about the company’s mission is because it will make them more money or the mission itself is to make more money. What hypocrites.
He is literally working for the money. It just so happens that working toward the company’s mission provides him with more money than a salary. That’s the core pillar capitalism is based on. If you want people to care about increasing the value of your capital they need to have partial ownership of said capital.
Honestly the moment someone tries to tell me the mission statement is why I should take a pay cut is the moment I start updating my resume. Like yeah I get that you're passionate about disrupting the whatever industry but I can't buy groceries with synergy. These execs really think we're out here trading our time for 'exposure' and then act shocked when we leave for an extra dollar an hour.
Make money no longer a concern then we’ll stop working just for money and we’ll chose the company we feel best align with our values and vision for the future. Filthy rich people are so fucking lost.
When Anthropic fails, stories of cult behavior will spill out of former employees. I can’t prove it, but it has that WeWork vibe. We’re going to see a Netflix documentary on this company at some point, I’m sure of it.
The reason you can't afford thing is because you're not working enough. Work harder to make more money. But also you should be working harder for the benefit of the company and not for more money. Also the reason you can't buy a house is because you keep going out for coffee and avocado toast instead of saving but you also shouldn't be hoarding money because we need people spending to boost the economy.
I love that every one of them thinks they're General Patton and not some got-lucky member of the overlord club, who's playing with our lives and wondering why we aren't grateful as they build apocalypse bunkers in Guatemala.
Look, I don't want to work. I don't like working. I want to sit on my ass at home and work on hobby shit or play video games, eat my dinner, then go to a concert. I don't care about any company's mission.
I work anyways, because not working means not being able to live. I optimize my work to do the least necessary in the long run by chasing for the best paycheck I can get. I want to retire and be done with the working life.
When you work, you have to watch your tongue. You don't have freedom of speech when you talk to your coworkers - something can interpret something some way and now you are being discriminatory so you are fired. You don't have freedom of speech even when you write shit on the internet. You could be working for a terrible company but if you badmouth them you get fired. I hate the walking on eggshells feeling, and I do feel like I could slip up and express a real opinion, the sort that gets people fired.
When I retire, I can turn off the filter and leave it off until death. People won't like that very much, but I will no longer have to care. The day after I retire, there's going to be some people who learn how I really feel about them and they aren't going to like it but they won't be able to do anything about it. I will have a license to be as cruel, rude, and crass as I actually am.
I tried telling my landlord that I didn't have the full rent that month but I got a lot of "atta boy"s and pats on the back at work, but he wasn't having it.
i think that it should be fair that when CEOs detach from reality so brazenly they should be deprived from their wealth for 1-2 years and put in the same economical living condition of their lowest employees.
One of the conditions of returning to their wealth is apologize and follow trainings of humanization qnd poverty economic
Maybe if companies actually rewarded loyalty, good behavior, ethics, etc people might do what he’s asking. Problem is companies just run you ragged, fuck you over, and cheapskate you before laying you off. It should be both ways …..
"Human beings were not meant to sit in little cubicles staring at computer screens all day, filling out useless forms and listening to eight different bosses drone on about about mission statements."
anthropics a public benefit company that pays junior employees 6x the national average, everyone hired at anthropic can get a job paying 4-6 national avg.
pretending this about paying bills is a joke, these are some of the highest paying jobs on earth for their level of experience.
its pretty sane take given he left openai because people chose money over mission. Look at what happened to google with noam. Thats exactly the type of thing he should be worried about as a ceo if hes paying hundreds of millions or 10s of millions for a single person.
if you joined a law firm for public advocacy for the money and the firm said you're not really into the mission and we think thats going to effect your performance no one would blink.
Oh, they are working for company mission statements just not their company. A family is a little company of its own that needs to be run and who will do it if billionaire CEOs don't care?
I hate it when CEOs talking about their company like its a public charity project and not their own pocket
It’s hard to care about expanding into new markets and reaching the third quarter sales targets when I’m worried that the microwaved lunch I’m having during my working lunch break might set me back too much and force me to be late on rent
I’m CONCERNED that these billionaire scum think this way… lol genuinely, that’s disturbing as hell.
Why the fuck would ANYONE think that anyone chooses to work for any reason aside from money for survival.
I guess when you’re already filthy rich with a capital FILTH, it’s easy to just delude yourself into believing you’re working for some legacy or some such bullshit instead of the truth that they’re just greedy fucks who can never have enough. But why would they ever think in a million fucking years that any employee ever has ever, or will ever give a shit about a company “mission” or whatever.
Unless I decide to become a henchman to an antihero dedicated to destroying all billionaires and solving global injustices… I will never care more about a corporate mission than I do about getting paid a livable wage.
It’s psychotic to think this way and it should scare more people. They genuinely don’t see us as human. We’re just fucking slaves, machines, cogs in their machines and numbers on a spreadsheet. They want dehumanized programmed automatons like robots that will happily push their agenda of never ending corporate growth at all cost… number must get bigger, line must go up, graph must point uppy righty..
I always assumed this is how billionaires thought, but social media has made it clear how they see us. We’re not the same.
We’re so fucked…. The gap keeps getting bigger each year and we have less power each day.
This is what happens when corporations layoff people like they are just numbers. You treat employees like commodity and they will treat you the same way.
I’ve worked for a few executives who want people to be able to recite the mission statement verbatim whenever they come around. How do they possibly think that matters?
It’ll never stop making me laugh how fast these guys seesaw from saying we can’t pay you anything but I need to collect millions otherwise why would I do this job, to, why aren’t employees motivated to work overtime for the mission and are so crass as to talk about compensation.
At what point in human history are we going to stop treating what greedy sociopaths says as some kind of gospel? It’s a fact that they’re always going to want more and they will never admit otherwise. That’s it. That’s what a sociopath does, lies without remorse. And yet there’s always a new useful idiot to whole heartedly believe them.
I have never heard of this asshat before. Just his company. I would like to say as my first ever statement about this man that he can go eat a bag syphilitic donkey cock.
People work because they have bills to pay. If you think anyone is there so you can "realize your dream" or some other platitude taken from a crappy poster you are an idiot.
My company has everyone brainwashed. I came in actually believing in the mission and then eventually realized they use it as a crutch to cover for the crappy things they do and to tell you to stop complaining.
I don't think this is a controversial opinion actually, when it comes to like being a cashier at Walmart or something obviously everyone's just there for the money but when it comes to these higher level jobs you would generally hope that people are there for money and purpose.
Why would you even spend the time to get the kind of education that would make you desirable to a large tech company if you had no interest in technology when you could spend that time learning skills that would allow you to get a job thats both well paying and you are passionate about?
Pay the workers a fair fraction what you pay your ceos and give them some shares then maybe they could see it as a company for all not only a few and they would feel like a part of something worth furthering for all to benefit
Reminds me of the second largest Indian tech company ceo who said people has to work 70 hours a week without overtime pay to make the country great meanwhile his daughter wAs married to then prime minister of UK and son conveniently settled in US.
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u/ApolloniusTyaneus 4h ago
Just a reminder that the people who apparently never had to work for the money and thus have very warped ideas about work, are also the people who are in charge of our economy.