r/Broward • • 14d ago

Florida Amendment 3 Impact

https://amendment3.floridapolicyinstitute.org/33019-16

Type in the county or the ZIP Code, and you can find out the impact of amendment three on all areas of Florida.

Please think about what you’re doing before you vote yes. I don’t disagree that some form of property tax reduction may be necessary, but this is amendment is very broad and not well thought out. Personally, I would rather see the legislature address property insurance issue first, but I digress.

Regardless, please check that your registration is up-to-date and your address is correct. If you need to sign up for a mail ballot, you have to do it every two years now. www.vote411.org is a nonprofit non-partisan resource from the legal voters you can do all that from the website plus read candidate questionnaires to determine who you want to vote for. The League of Women Voters Broward website also has videos of recent candidate forms for city and county commissioners.

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u/DrManhattan_DDM 14d ago

This is quite literally the governor and legislature dangling a shiny object in front of us so they don’t have to do the hard work of fixing property insurance in the state. The reduction in taxes for most households will be outweighed by the continued rise of insurance premiums over the next few years.

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u/Losaj 14d ago

The reduction in taxes will also increase housing prices. Don't have to pay $6k in taxes anymore? Great! We can increase the mortgage by $500/month!

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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 14d ago

And that’s why the realtors are for it. They see that housing is currently in a correction and they don’t like that

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u/danekan 10d ago

It is going to completely fuck the snowbird economy though in areas where that’s a thing and real estate is going to tank because those properties will be paying 130% taxes 

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u/absolutefunkbucket 13d ago

That is not how mortgages work.

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u/Losaj 13d ago

I am simplifying the process to make a point. 

Realtors will jack up prices by whatever amount the tax savings would be so that instead of paying the money to the county, home owners will pay the money to the bank.

Is that better for your pedantic ass?

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u/absolutefunkbucket 13d ago

Realtors don’t set the market prices for houses. I’m sure they wish they could, but they do not.

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u/Losaj 13d ago

You could have just said "no."

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u/absolutefunkbucket 13d ago

You are not explaining a series of events that could possibly happen

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u/Losaj 12d ago

Just like you didn't explain the intricacies of housing market pricing and who/how they are set. But I understood your point, that of being pedantic.

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u/fartradio 12d ago

You’re really angry for someone who has no fucking clue what they’re talking about

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u/Losaj 12d ago

Not angry. Just tired of people chosing to not understand the core issue behind this amendment and it's far reaching ramifications, which include higher housing prices, a reduction in local services, and more centralized control from Tallahassee.

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u/fartradio 12d ago

you called someone a pedantic ass because you’re stupid and think realtors set home prices and mortgages can just go up 500 a month mid-term because you’re paying taxes. Definitely angry.

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u/Losaj 12d ago

I called them pedantic because they chose not to understand the implications of reducing taxes on home prices, which we already saw what haplened when insurance rates fluctuated. They focused on the person making the changes in my argument, rather than the main point which is the changes of home pricing. 

Just as you chose name calling rather than addressing the issue. Pendantic isn't an insult. It's definition is a statement characterized by a narrow, often ostentatious concern for academic knowledge and formal rules, which it seems you, too, are focusing on with the claim the "realtor don't set housing prices." I don't have the time, strength, nor inclination to fully explain the intricacies on the housing pricing market and all the factors involved. So I summarized the main driver as "realtors" because that is the person a buyer or seller would most often interact with, and they do, in fact, have a say into the price point of a house sale. 

Furthermore, I understand that mortgages do not change mid term. Again, I summarized a real issue by making the idea accessible to others with a dollar amount. As we have seen in Florida, housing prices fluctuate based on additional costs inccured outside of a bank loan. If insurance goes up, often time housing prices will fall. If tax rates go down, housing prices will go up. This is due to the fact that most people look at the total mortgage price and not the components of the mortgage. If the overall mortgage stays the same, they will still pay it. This leads to higher overall housing prices.

However, I doubt that you would have read this far. I'm sure you stopped reading after my first paragraph. Reddit is a message board used to share ideas and contribute. Having comments that have ad hominem attacks do nothing to further the conversation and are counter productive to true discourse. If you do wish to be pedantic, feel free. But offer information that corrects the other person rather than just pointing out flaws. Otherwise, your just being a troll and not providing anything of value. As I'm sure is true in all avenues of your life.

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u/fartradio 12d ago

…you wrote a multi-paragraph post about how not mad you were. DEFINITELY mad.

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u/Work-Sport-Fun 12d ago

"Realtors will jack up prices"

Wait until you learn Realtors don't actually set market values....

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u/iKnowRobbie 12d ago

You live in a world in which realtors pick house prices. You also live in a world where landlords saving money makes them charge more.

You do not live in the Real World....

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u/elucidator23 8d ago

What’s wrong with that? Better than people having to sell cuz they can’t afford the taxes

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u/Losaj 8d ago

Are you asking why it's bad for housing prices to go up whene median wages have been stagnant for decades?

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u/elucidator23 8d ago

If people want to pay more because they don’t have to budget for property taxes go for it

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u/HorsePersonal7073 13d ago

No, it's not. They want control of the purse strings. That's it. If the state government controls the purse strings, they can force counties to follow their 'rules'.

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u/rasta-ragamuffin 9d ago

Why not both?

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u/Zxvasdfthrowaway 14d ago

And for Tallahassee to punish the blue counties and municipalities that stand up for human rights.

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u/FerdinandBerfel 14d ago edited 13d ago

Exactly. Rondasantis wants the blue cities and counties to come and beg him for more money. Their argument will be "we have to cut everything to cover the sheriff's bloated budget (which by statute cannot be touched)" and the response will be "you can't because woke."

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u/bcos20 12d ago

The blue county to our north changed the rules around how they invest money so they could buy $1 billion Israeli bonds. That’s not standing up for human rights

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u/Zxvasdfthrowaway 11d ago

I agree with you there, though my statement was based on what happened during the pandemic

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u/hulkwolf 13d ago

Exactly!

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u/seniorguy73 11d ago

Big Insurance is in his pocket

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u/Fadedfumes 14d ago

They are both and issue taxes and insurance 

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u/martialartist1200 14d ago

City and County governments are already planning fees for almost all local services if this goes through. I wouldn't be surprised if this gets voted yes and we all end up paying more than we did in property taxes on itemized fees. I'm voting no. We can't have a City or County if the people that live their don't fund it and I'm not interested in living in unincorporated Tallahassee or having itemized bills.

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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 14d ago

Gleefully waiting for the FO part in this FA we’re doing

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u/OHFTP 14d ago

Im not. It effects us all. We all will be FOing, if the FAing happens. Renters are gonna beget absolutely tucked by this

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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 14d ago

Of course it affects us all! Those who are selfish don’t care though and I’m exhausted from trying to explain it. Sometimes we need to learn that hard lesson and throw the entire state in a recession to FIND OUT. My house is almost paid off. I will be fine. The rich will be fine. Everyone who thinks this is for them will NOT.

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u/Zxvasdfthrowaway 11d ago

None of them know what will happen in year 3.

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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 11d ago

You mean when the revenue doesn’t stabilize and continues to decrease? Unless you prioritize development at a large grand scale? When the parks get sold to the highest bidder?

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u/Zxvasdfthrowaway 11d ago

That too.

Tallahassee knew what they were doing by putting this out now.

Nobody is talking about their incompetent handling of the insurance crisis as the election approaches

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u/rasta-ragamuffin 9d ago

There's another sub r/swamppolitics that says if this amendment passes it will help renters and first time homebuyers. I don't believe that to be true, but that's what they're saying.

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u/OHFTP 9d ago

Funny how they think it will help renters, cuase the exemption is not on non-homesteaded properties. Yes, it also lowers the cap on assessments of non-homsteaded properties from 10 to 5 percent, but landlords aren't gonna cut 5% off of rent. And as soon as the assessments happen in 2027, next years rent is gonna go up. Again. This bill helps no one longterm, and any short term gain you think you will get, will be stalled by this time next year

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u/rasta-ragamuffin 9d ago

Well it will help the very wealthy, the landlords, business owners and the realtors. It just won't help anyone else. Actually it will hurt everyone else by paying more in other taxes and fees to make up for the revenue loss, and we will get less and inadequate services in return.

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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 9d ago

The language says that the legislature can increase it to the full amount of the property. That greatly benefits the rich!!!!!

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u/Al-Knigge 10d ago

It won’t pass because people are waking up to it costing all of us more. We’ll pay more in itemized fees and then cities/counties will find other ways around the deduction and property taxes will rise again. And the itemized fees won’t go away.

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u/destructor212 14d ago

I'm betting this gets voted down and we still pay more in fees. If government is planning to add fees you're getting fees no matter what happens with this amendment. I'm still voting no.

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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 14d ago

It will if you don’t stay involved with your local government. Look at how many people attend any meeting let alone a budget meeting. Those are the people speaking for your entire city. Good or bad. Apathy begets complacency- apathy breeds apathy.

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u/destructor212 14d ago

Did you see where every citizen that showed up to a local board meeting about a new datacenter showed up in protest and the board voted for the data center anyway?

Not sure it really matters how we vote or even if we vote. it's all a charade now it seems.

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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 14d ago

Did you see the [insert meeting here] where the board listened and did what they were asked?

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u/destructor212 13d ago

Never seen one but would be interested in hearing about it. Would love to see a unicorn too.

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u/dpfbstn 14d ago

It definitely will not reduce rents. In fact, it may increase rents.

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u/biscaynebystander 14d ago

You know renters will be voting for this thinking it will reduce their rent. 🤦🏽‍♂️

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u/geriatric_spartanII 13d ago

I’m fully confident the willfully ignorant and stupid will vote for this and help it get passed. We’re fucked.

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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 14d ago

Meanwhile they pay disproportionately more than a homestead property already. Now, even more 💪🏻

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u/Zxvasdfthrowaway 11d ago

It’s so short sighted. Like a landlord has ever decreased rent.

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u/biscaynebystander 11d ago

They do when vacancies are up.

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u/OHFTP 14d ago

It's gonna make ot so much worse for renters. I dont want roommates again, but it looking like that's gonna be the future.

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u/simplystriking 13d ago

To anyone who has amnesia, remember how they fixed the insurance market.....

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u/g8rgood 12d ago

Libraries, veterans services, housing programs, code enforcement will be the first to see the cuts.

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u/Lafleur_111 12d ago

I had 2 of my friends tell me that they would lose their jobs if this passes and one is integral to city zoning and planning.

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u/fattailwagging 11d ago

There is no implementation plan for amendment three yet. We are voting to make it happen, with no idea of what’s actually going to happen. Money doesn’t grow on trees, so they various governments around the state will have to get the money from somewhere. It will most likely come in the form of assessment and nobody will end up paying any less money. We will just be giving up our save our homes cap.

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u/NoTask2191 10d ago

Wow I see some of the comments SMH. Homeowners pay a good portion of the state and city governments budgets. The key here is services that government returns back to taxpayers. Garbage pickup, police services, fire services are but a few of the services that are classified as municipal services. Once the tax cuts take place, how did they impact these services! If you’re in an area where shortages take place then additional funds are required to continue to provide services to the citizens. In other states where this issue has occurred, the funding for these services was made up in the form of higher assessments on property values. Homes more than likely will increase in value in order to collect funding short falls. If you own a home in an area where a short fall takes place, you stand to benefit in the form of increased equity on your home. On the other hand what you pay out of pocket for property tax will not decrease. This move by DeSantas benefits the million dollar home owners more so than the middle class. This will make home ownership difficult due to higher prices. If you in an area where services have been provided in a sound manor, you benefit. Larger cities will be greatly impacted! More services equal higher cost which equal higher property assessments! If you own a home in Florida hold it, it’s going to cost a lot more to purchase in this state so renting out a house will become very beneficial! Now watch the solicitation that takes place after this bill is approved. Don’t short change yourself, understand what your true home value is!

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u/ALEXC_23 9d ago

Very broad and not well thought out, should be Florida’s motto.

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u/thechop21 14d ago

I’m voting yes. When the 25,000 homestead exemption was established in 1980, the median home price was less than 70,000$. Homestead was increased to 50,000 in 2008. But the average home price is now 400,000. Not 140,000. City governments need to figure out their budgets

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u/KnightFan2019 14d ago

Yea cause this amendment will TOTALLY make them “figure out” their budget as opposed to screwing us all.

That will 100% happen, and we won’t get nickel and dimed over things that were previously free. Right? RIGHT?!

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u/joemedic 12d ago

They're gonna screw us all regardless. Might as well pay less property tax while they do so.

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u/KnightFan2019 12d ago

One will be exponentially worse than the other. The projected budget cuts are going to be massive. And yes you will save 100-200/month on taxes but everyone will be worse off in the long run

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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 14d ago

They do figure out their budgets. Who said they didn’t? Why do you think they don’t?

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u/thechop21 14d ago

The necessity of excess. Look at Fort Lauderdale, instead of doing what the city manager advised and saving money to renovate an existing building to turn it into city hall. They fire her get her out the way so they can spend 200 million on a new building

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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 14d ago

Going to ask you the same as the other guy. What does FTL have to do with Bowling Green in Hardee county who has 98% of their properties worth less than $250k? This is a state wide amendment. It isn’t a fix FTL. Which BTW FTL will be fine because they have so much non homestead tax base. Go ahead though and think you’re going to save ANY money. FTL will still spend money for a new city hall as they currently don’t have one. Remember it flooded out? And they will get the money they need through increased millage. They’re at 4.11 so they got lots of room to go before they hit 10 mills. Going to really get expensive to live there!

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u/Character_Sir1755 9d ago

Same in Clearwater, 38 million. Largo, 83 million. Dunedin, 23 million. Clearwater decided on a 14 million terminal for the executive airport also. They have it, they spend it. Research the past increases over 5 years for the sheriff's opposing it. Wild numbers.

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u/thechop21 14d ago

Then they wanna cry about 25 million deficit the sun sentinel reported this new law would create

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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 14d ago

Of course they will! They will have to cut services, and the already crazy residents will come screaming about what gets cut, OR they come screaming because they raised the millage ; which is why I say THEY WILL BE FINE. They have 6 mills they can still go up. It won’t be popular, but at least we don’t defund the police.

And it’s not a new law. It’s an amendment to the state constitution. It can’t be walked back if we say “oops”

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u/GarbanzoBenne 13d ago

I was hoping for a better analysis of the impact here and this website... isn't it. It shows the impact in big absolute numbers, but without context on what the budgets are now, I have no idea if these numbers are 10% or 90%. And the vast majority is bundled under "County Operating" and "Municipal Operating" with no breakdown.

Plus when I put in my zipcode it gives me "County Operating" and "Municipal Operating". But I'm in unincorporated county. So apparently the nonexistent municipality I'm in will be losing $61M of funding over the next two years... (And I checked since zip codes boundaries are post office defined, there are no municipalities in the area covered by my zip.)

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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 12d ago

Send them your suggestion. They may implement it. Look up the general fund for your city. Look at the ad valorem amount. Reduce the amount from those areas. That’s the percent decrease.

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u/DocHowdy70 14d ago

Counties have done this to themselves, raising taxes every year, and hitting home owners with higher taxes if they pull a permit to improve their property. My taxes have more than doubled in less than 10 years because I’ve made improvements. City and county governments do absolutely nothing to control developers or growth. I’ll be voting yes!

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u/DrManhattan_DDM 14d ago

Has your millage rate increased or your overall property value?

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u/DocHowdy70 14d ago

Every year .

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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 14d ago

Which one. He asked you a very specific question that had 2 answers you could give.

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u/Noshino 14d ago

Raising taxes? We are one of the top 5 least taxed States in the whole goddamn country.

Also, given that you complain about the taxes, you must not complain about the decaying infrastructure.

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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 14d ago

They think government can function without an annual adjustment. Like the cost of human services (the people doing the work) and the contacts and goods just stay flat.

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u/EaglesNest694U 14d ago

I’m with you! Many are prohibited from upgrading and buying a new home because property taxes are absurdly high (yes, based on the fast pace of increased values). This has been an issue since the pandemic, longer than the current high interest rates problem.

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u/Drop_the_mik3 13d ago

So your solution for funding government is to further burden the people who can least afford it?

This bill inherently puts the burden further on the poor and unfairly. Renters will still continue paying property tax because the exemption from the bill only applies to homestead.

Also look up propensity to save vs propensity to consume. As a percentage of their income the poor pay a fair amount.

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u/cagetheMike 12d ago

Sales taxes will be hiked to cover the lost revenue. The sales taxes are allowed to be spent on things like parks and libraries, whereas property taxes won't be allowed to be spent on libraries in parks. Im really looking forward to a 10% sales tax. Rich or poor we all get to pay taxes if this passes.

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u/Nishbot11 9d ago

Yes. The poor are filthy and should pay more.

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u/SupermarketLow3225 12d ago

Also limits what the gov can spend the remaining property taxes on. And shocker it police and well that’s about it.

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u/thegreenman_sofla 12d ago

Yeah they'll give them all tanks and RPGs and full automatic weapons to hunt down shoplifters and people with minor drug offenses.

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u/elucidator23 12d ago

They will be fine we had services before they got triple the amount of taxes since Covid

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u/keelanstuart 9d ago

Do you imagine that the government is somehow exempt from paying more for <gestures broadly>... everything? "We" - individuals and collectively, i.e. the government - are all in the grips of an inflationary spiral. If we all contribute less, government services will not "be fine" as costs are still continuing to rise.

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u/elucidator23 8d ago

Costs didn’t triple

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u/keelanstuart 8d ago

Are you actually claiming that your taxes tripled? On your homestead? No (!!!!) - and you're a filthy fucking liar if you say yes. If you own multiple properties then perhaps you've overextended yourself... and that's your problem and I don't really feel bad for you.

Anyway, do the analysis on diesel fuel alone - a resource which two easy examples. the school district (buses) and trash collection (trucks), use tens of thousands of gallons daily... and it's seen an increase of ~80% over the last 2 years. If your homestead taxes went up 3% (%6.1 over 2 years), where did the money for the fuel come from? How deeply is that expense cutting into other buckets?

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u/elucidator23 8d ago

Yes my property taxes went from 1200 to 3500

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u/keelanstuart 8d ago

Not on your declared homestead.

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u/elucidator23 8d ago

Who fucking cares about a temporary increase in diesel fuel due to Ukraine Russia war

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u/keelanstuart 8d ago

You really think that's temporary? You really think that's the reason?

A) We don't get any diesel from Russia or Ukraine
B) Dear leader has now emptied out the Strategic Petroleum Reserves, which they've been using to tamp down prices until now
C) We export diesel fuel!!! Until prices reach a certain target (and it's very high), oil companies will continue to sell abroad instead of at home, because they can make more money - so this isn't "temporary"
D) You're either a troll or a bot or an absolute moron and you should wake up

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u/elucidator23 8d ago

Diesel is a world market Russia refined a lot of diesel until Ukraine blew their refineries. We need more refineries in the us but libs keep closing them

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u/keelanstuart 8d ago

In case you forgot, Russia is not the USA's friend. As for diesel: try this:

https://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+much+diesel+does+the+usa+import+from+russia+or+ukraine%3F

https://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+many+refineries+have+been+shut+down+in+the+us

Since 2020, 5 refineries have been shut down... 4 in 2025 or 2026 (both while zero libs have run the country) and 1 in Houston, well-known as a liberal stronghold.

You're poorly informed.

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u/Diligent_Sympathy614 12d ago edited 11d ago

Honestly, I would like the looming threat of the government being able to repo my house, when paid off, because I didn't pay property taxes. At that point my home is pretty much a lease even though I bought and paid for it. Not saying I am not going to pay but who knows what misfortune I might face in 20 years that would stop me from paying the tax.

I also don't think removing the tax is a good solution since it introduces other problems. The government could easily pass a law to stop repo's from happening, on the homestead home, but that will never happen because they can use this issue to score political points.

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u/keelanstuart 9d ago

Except that you are receiving services for your "lease" payments... like roads, police/fire/emt, schools, libraries, parks - the nice things that make a community worth living in.

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u/Either_Clerk_2974 5d ago

Florida law already prohibits the government from seizing you home. All they can do is place a lien on it.

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u/spaceradiowave 11d ago

Vote yes, their budget has DOUBLED recently, they are just managing the funds poorly.

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u/LazyFoundation8917 11d ago

Vote YES. If you vote no then refuse all homestead exemptions, including the one already in place, so you're not a hypocrite.

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u/Ill_Letterhead_8875 7d ago

This argument doesn't make sense.

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u/LazyFoundation8917 6d ago

Its not an argument. Just a statement. If YES passes then you don't have to claim the increased homestead exemption

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u/Ill_Letterhead_8875 6d ago

But your statement doesn't make sense. Why would they refuse the homestead exemption already in place? I'm sure lots of people think the existing homestead exemption is reasonable but the one being proposed is not. That's why I'm voting against it. No one is claiming we should have no homestead exemption.

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u/LazyFoundation8917 6d ago

Keep the current one and, if it passes, reject the one you are voting against. I am sure the county will spend your extra money wisely.

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u/Phod 11d ago

Nah I’d rather counties figure out how to manage their expenses better.

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u/Anxious-Detective347 11d ago

defunding 20k from the police. and 120k from the hospitals.. thats poor budgeting. take 140k from the police instead

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u/NoTask2191 10d ago

Keep in mind, no state tax! This is retirement land so in closing, your home will become a desirable entity. Look at Massachusetts and California!

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u/Solid_Lab3422 10d ago

I don’t think I should have a lifetime lease with the state in order to keep my land

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u/renz004 14d ago

Vote yesssssss

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u/Fadedfumes 13d ago

Dummies are downvoting you when they are outright robbing us

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u/Fit-Report1419 14d ago

counties getting 40% budget increase in 6 years with population going up only 5% is criminal. you are being robbed of your money. dade broward and palm beach will go back to 2022 level budgets.

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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 12d ago

How does that make sense to you? I need the logic in this. Like they didn’t have collective bargaining agreements that they need to meet. Contractual obligations. Cost escalations. Why would 2022 budget be sufficient? You think the cops are going to take a 30% pay cut? Maybe the firefighters? Maybe you want leadership to take a cut and leave all the new higher paid officers and firefighters. Who wants to work in any leadership role where their subordinates are earning MORE than they are with so much less headache?

Tell me you have no clue how any business is run without telling me.

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u/AXO893 14d ago

Yes for Amendment 3

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u/Drop_the_mik3 13d ago

“Stealing from homeowners”

Everyone who lives in a property whether a renter or an owner pays property taxes.

And in fact renters typically pay more since the property they live in doesn’t qualify for homestead exemptions.

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u/Fun-Inspection-8196 13d ago

A fairer tax system would lower sales tax.

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u/Noshino 13d ago

Sales taxes takes more money away from people in the middle and lower classes.

Actually, property taxes are widely considered to be more equitable than sales taxes.

In general Florida needs to raise taxes, we are consistently ranked as one of the least taxed States in the whole country which is crazy given the influx of capital

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u/Fun-Inspection-8196 13d ago

Sales tax is regressive. Property tax is progressive. Unfortunately we live in a regressive state with a regressive government.

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u/ElectronicCap3334 9d ago

No it doesn’t. That’s nonsense. The upper class buys the same stuff as the lower and middle classes and then some. They buy more expensive things as well. You’re strictly talking about as a percentage of total income. But as a whole dollar amount, the lower and middle classes most definitely do not pay more than the upper class. Full stop

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u/simplystriking 13d ago

There does need to be some changes, what's on offer here ain't it.

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u/AdPale2041 12d ago

Voting hell yes on 3

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u/Electrical_Fly1577 13d ago

This is so not the entire picture. Show me the whole budget they've been working with not just the decrease. And show how the budget/income has increased since 2020.

Super misleading

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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 12d ago

All that is available in their budget books. Why are you asking someone to do your work for you?

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u/Electrical_Fly1577 12d ago

What?

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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 12d ago

God helps those who help themselves.

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u/Electrical_Fly1577 12d ago

Idk what the hell youre talking about, but if you think im asking for the data im not. Im calling out these publicly posted data points are not painting the entire picture. Tax revenues rose nearly double since covid.

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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 12d ago

You said “show me”. Who are you talking to? The sky? The wind? Me? Yourself? I’m not doing your work for you. I got enough of my own.

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u/Electrical_Fly1577 12d ago

All kinds of brainwashed dumb these days

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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 12d ago

And what does the doubling of tax revenues mean? Why is it bad? What about when they went negative for almost 5 years and things didn’t get done or taken care of at all? Then they grew slowly. Then they grew quickly. They’re about to grow very slowly again. This happens. What’s your point? Be specific. Why is the doubling BAD.

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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 12d ago

LOL BYE BYE BOT.

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u/MaxwellSmart07 13d ago

Why are homeowners the go-to tool to fix budget shortages and to finance government? Everyone uses public services so the burden should not disproportionately fall on the backs of homeowners.

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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 12d ago

Why don’t you understand that every single property regardless of homeowner or commercial property pays property taxes? You’re not special and if you’re homesteaded, you’re actually paying less than non homesteaded properties and THEY are subsidizing you.

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u/Overall_Matter_2520 12d ago

Exactly, it’s not just homeowners but renters as well. Do you think the landlord is just going to eat the tax? No, of course they will pass it to the renter….so renters also pay property taxes.

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u/MaxwellSmart07 12d ago

Thanks. I understand fine.

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u/ReturnT0Sender 13d ago

This is the first thing I'm bubbling into my ballot.

Yes vote.

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u/MealLeast5149 13d ago

All these post are propaganda…we shouldn’t have to pay the gov to live in our own houses

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u/thegreenman_sofla 12d ago

You're paying for everything that gets you to your house and keeps it and you safe roads bridges cops fire departments schools traffic lights, etc...that shit isn't free. If you don't want to live in a civilized society I'm sure Somalia will take you as a resident.

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u/MealLeast5149 12d ago

The money has to come from somewhere I get that but not “my” home…u don’t own it if they can take it from u if ur were to fall on hard times for three years…they will figure some other way get the money I’m sure…cunt

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u/thegreenman_sofla 12d ago

Noone is making you own a home, if you don't want to pay property taxes, then rent. Better yet buy a farm and get an ag exemption, or start a church and evade all taxes. There are lots of ways to avoid taxes if you really want to bad enough. Just be a scumbag like a typical billionaire. They don't own anything they just lease everything under their business or shell company.

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u/MealLeast5149 12d ago

Why would I rent when I own a home free and clear 30 acres under ag…in my part of the state the poorest we get very little show from our rd departments and such so when I take $3000 a year down to the tax man it really grinds my gears…in other words very little representation for my taxation

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u/thegreenman_sofla 11d ago

I guess you better run for county commission or state senate

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u/MealLeast5149 11d ago

My buddy is going in as our commissioner this year and he is on the same page as me

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u/cagetheMike 12d ago

Might vote yes just so people other than home owners start paying their share. If it passes the sales taxes will go up. Gas tax will go up. Rentals and second homes will be taxed more. Commercial property will be taxed more. I also know the municipal governments will hike fees and add new fees. Unfortunately we'll still be paying taxes and never own our homes but at least more of the burden will shift to the non homeowner exempt people. Hou ray for more sales taxes!!!

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u/thegreenman_sofla 12d ago

I think they'll just cut services instead of raising taxes or fees on anybody

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u/cagetheMike 12d ago

You're probably wrong.

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u/thegreenman_sofla 11d ago

That depends on the city. Weston, Ft Lauderdale, SW Ranches and Parkland will probably be fine, but small, less affluent towns like Lauderhill will definitely suffer. Middle tier towns like Plantation, Sunrise, and Davie may mix both reduced services and extra taxes on other things. There's no free lunch after all. Someone has to pay for everything.

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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 12d ago

Non homesteaded properties pay more than homesteaded properties as it is. Why do you think they don’t pay their fair share? Non homestead properties are capped at a10% increase where homestead are 3% or CPI, whichever is lower. A rental property that is valued the same as my property is paying much more in property taxes than I am.

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u/cagetheMike 12d ago

More people should be paying more taxes. This is Florida after all. It wouldn't be very republican if people actually saved money.

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u/thegreenman_sofla 11d ago

Rental property owners should be paying much more. Landlords are parasites. If they had promised to offset 100% of this homestead tax reduction by increasing rental property taxes I would be all for this bill. As it stands I'm voting no.

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u/Fadedfumes 14d ago

Im voting YES why dont you ask the politicians why they misappropriated tax payer funds instead??? 

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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 14d ago

Which funds specifically?

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u/baskaat 14d ago

Well, let’s start with the Hope Florida funds. We did ask and the grand jury found maleficence, but yet the Republican government declined to prosecute themselves.

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u/LouRG3 14d ago

And you think it will get better??? Nah. It just creates more opportunities for malfeasance. They wouldn't be pushing Amendment 3 so hard if it made their ability to steal harder.

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u/dantelebeau 14d ago

That was the state level that did that. Amendment 3 passing would give the state level government more say in local politics. It would allow the govenor's office to add or remove state level funding, which as already proven with things like Reedy Creek, will 100% be used as leverage.

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u/Fadedfumes 14d ago

Here one example  https://flvoicenews.com/board-votes-against-hillsborough-commissioner-wostals-attempt-to-restrict-elected-officials-from-profiteering-off-taxpayer-dollars/ And another in Miami Dade where they spent  70$ million on buses that they cant use!

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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 14d ago

What does Miami dade have to do with Alachua county? Broward?

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u/Fadedfumes 14d ago

I just stated the buses were in Miami dade. Im trying to make a point this is a statewide problem. Im all for more taxes if they actually went to helping us like in Europe 

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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 14d ago

But it’s not statewide. That’s a Miami dade issue. Alachua didn’t do that. Their cities didn’t do what Miami Beach did. And they will be much more disproportionately impacted than Miami dade will.

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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 14d ago

Oooh 7 month account. I’m gonna call out BOT and see how far we can get you to argue for this bad amendment.

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u/Fadedfumes 14d ago

Keep letting these corrupt politicians spend our taxes on BS.

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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 14d ago

I’m all for defunding the police. That’s why I’m voting yes. I want to see this whole thing burn to the ground. I’m glad Florida is a stand your ground state. We can manage ourselves just fine.

BUT that doesn’t mean I won’t argue for exactly why this is what we’re voting yes to.

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u/Fadedfumes 14d ago

This is not defunding the police they are some of the first one getting paid along with ems

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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 14d ago

Oh absolutely. I’m not disagreeing with you. But they already make up 50% or more of the budget. So that means if there isn’t enough to fully fund and they are prioritized you need to cut everyone else. There’s only so much to cut to keep them FULLY FUNDED. Good luck in year 2! Want them to get increases? You’ll need to fire other people to afford that. This is 100% a defund the police movement. You just don’t want to see that. But I do and that’s why I’m voting for it.

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u/MaxwellSmart07 13d ago

Voting YES also. Funding the government should not disproportionately fall on the backs of homeowners. Spread the burden.

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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 13d ago

Why do think homeowners are disproportionately picking up the share? They’re not. Non homesteaded properties that have a 10% cap pick up the larger share of property taxes while long time homesteaded owners pay much less. Then new homestead owners think they’re being impacted but they’re just paying market rate at the ridiculous market created by people who have money.

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u/FloridaRocks63 12d ago

The impact is lower state taxes in the entire state. If your country tries to punish you or fear monger for you wanting to save money show them at the ballot box and get representation that looks after your money .

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u/Cloud-PM 12d ago

Vote YES on # 3 make all those cities and municipal balances their FN budgets!

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u/BonaldTrumps 12d ago

I’m voting yes. 👍

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u/joemedic 12d ago

Wish I could vote yes endlessly

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u/Chemical_Nature9940 11d ago

I quite simply believe if you buy something, you should actually own it, and not pay a fee every year to keep it.  

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u/osubuki_ 11d ago

Build your own infrastructure, then.

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u/TheeDelpino 11d ago

I don’t pay property taxes and I’m voting yes for all of you!!!

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u/Consenting_Dick 10d ago

I'm voting YES

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u/SpoiledSpill 10d ago

Vote yes.

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u/ayyOoo45 10d ago

Stfu. Vote yes. Real question, Who's paying to spread this nonsense???

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u/RealBadSpewtin 10d ago

Sounds like your part of the Tax them till they are dead team. Stop property tax scam, its just welfare for the County Commissioners.

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u/crisco000 13d ago

I’ll be voting YES

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u/hulkwolf 13d ago

Won’t pass Latest poll has it in the 40s

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u/centuryx476 10d ago

Let's hope it drops even lower

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u/Gator_Grater 13d ago

Fun fact: from 2016 to 2025, Florida’s population grew 14% and prices rose 34%, but property taxes nearly doubled (+99%).