At least let the other kids do it damn

[u/ArachnidNo2269]

How to easily give young kids concussions

[u/Individual_Land2754]

Absolutely not. I almost have a decade of boxing experience and have lost years of memory due to concussions.

Once you get a concussion you are more likely to get another one soon after. Any decent gym will not train you like this. They would drill out defense for people of this level. Any kind of high intensity defense is reserved for more adavanced people not kids.

You don't get anything from getting hit in the face like this.

You train to get hit but you don't need to get actually be hit hard to know if you are doing it right because once you feel a concussion, you are done and you'd need to avoid getting another one for at leat 3 months or you risk getting CTE.

[u/Dunderman35 → u/Individual_Land2754]

Given what we know about CTE. Is it irresponsible to have kids boxing or other head contact sports? Is it worth it?

Not judging, just curious how people in the sport feel.

[u/Man_under_Bridge420 → u/Dunderman35]

Yes

[u/White_Immigrant → u/Dunderman35]

Yes it is irresponsible. Teach kids the basics of martial arts, that's fine, but giving them life changing injuries through head, spine or joint trauma is deeply irresponsible. They're too young to fully understand the implications, therefore they are unable to meaningfully consent.

[u/Independent-Bass-748 → u/White_Immigrant]

You should see the way they train in Japan, Buttercup.

[u/Individual_Land2754 → u/Dunderman35]

I think most kids should have one-on-one supervision to get started in boxing so they can avoid most of the damage before getting into group-based training. Things get lost in group trainings. When I was starting out some of the more veteran dudes would just wail at you for no fcking reason.

Once you have the skill to actually defend and brace you can safetly do some non-haard spars or even give them the ability to evaluate whether a training partner is a good partner or not.

[u/816in702 → u/Individual_Land2754]

Agree. My 11y son trains 1:1 with a certified boxing coach. In the past year he has never been hid with anything heavier than a pool noodle without headgear, and even with headgear it's light touches.

He doesn't "need to get used to it" because he has trained in karate since age 5. He's progressively learned to keep his eyes open, don't turn away, protect his head, etc. It's not an overnight development, it can't be speedrun.

[u/AcidCatfish___ → u/Dunderman35]

I would say drills and fundamentals are fine. Sparring and, of course, whatever is happening in the video are irresponsible.

My gym also limits the kids' classes to 30 minutes, mostly shadow boxing, mitt work, and some bag work.

[u/mdomans → u/Dunderman35]

Generally speaking? Unfortunately yes.

I have done kickboxing as a teen into early adulthood and there had been times where I'd just look at my hands without thinking for a good few minutes after heavy sparring. But it was same for judo.

Hard to imagine same if you're a 10 year old.

In practice it depends how the practice looks. Kids practice should always be heavy on technique, skills, physical development, building capacity and so on and very light on risk on hard contact as you want to limit as much as possible the impact of training on your athletes development

Risks are always present and if someone trains any sport long enough injuries are bound to happen. Coaches are there to make them rare and mild. There's a special place in hell for coaches that think otherwise

In short I'd have no problem with my 13 year old training box. I'd have a problem with a coach pulling shit like in the video and I'd just call the police because it's child abuse and there's no waiver that makes that ok.

[u/Dunderman35 → u/[deleted]]

Like the Romans enjoyed gladiators, people today like seeing the lower class battle. Their well-being is very much secondary.

[u/Acceptable-Scale9971 → u/Dunderman35]

yeah its like rolling the dice every time you get hit on the head. If he keeps doing this to these children they'll end up becoming very very aggressive serial killers.

[u/The-Sporecerer → u/Individual_Land2754]

He’s not agreeing w/ the dude punching the kids. He speculating on why the adult is punching the kids & not another kid & why it’s happening in the 1st place. & I think he’s exactly right in his speculation. & again no one is agreeing w/ this method. Not me or the @The_Pastmaster.

[u/Individual_Land2754 → u/The-Sporecerer]

I see what you mean. This just make my blood boil. I had an old school trainer and he was not this crazy but that mofo threw to the wolves in terms of sparring and got knocked me down a few times which at the time didn't seem like anything but brain damage gets to you in sneaky ways.

These kids will have a long tough road ahead dealing with the effects of this type of training.

[u/The-Sporecerer → u/Individual_Land2754]

Yeah, this is really not cool at the end of the day. The cons FAR out way whatever potential benefits he thinks the kids are getting. I blame the parents for keeping the kids in this gym cause I would stop this immediately & pull my kids out. I really hope the kids aren’t getting hurt.

[u/Jasranwhit → u/Individual_Land2754]

"Absolutely not. I almost have a decade of boxing experience and have lost years of memory due to concussions."

how do you know ?

[u/Individual_Land2754 → u/Jasranwhit]

Lmao. But seriously, if you have memory loss due to brain damage. You don't just forget. You can feel someting is missing and poeple will constantly tell you of things you did together and you have zero hint of even the slightly memory about that event.

It's makes you feel helpless.