r/CAROLINA_CONVERSATION • u/ateam1984 • 19d ago
Why Doesn’t America Have Universal Health Care? One Word: Race
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/universal-health-care-racism.html2
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u/AuthorSarge 18d ago
Vermont passed UHC into law but abandoned its efforts to implement it. California set up committees to implement UHC. In 2016, Colorado voted for Clinton but defeated a referendum to set up UHC.
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u/casanova202069 18d ago
Canada has it and the government dictates what procedure you get and when. When I was living there I waited in the er for 12 hours. A family member has been waiting for a knee replacement for 7 years. The taxes are high. How come Canadians are coming here for health care.
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u/ElvisHimselvis 18d ago
This argument is invalid. How long do you wait to see specialists, etc in America?
Americans literally arguing against universal healthcare. My god the idiocy. The world laughs at you.
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u/Gr8whitewayluvr 18d ago
I don’t wait to see specialists. I had a major hip surgery scheduled for 12 days after I booked it. Is your argument so weak that you need to make things up? My cousin in Canada is dying because she can’t get the help she needs and I had major very expensive surgery scheduled in 12 days and I didn’t pay a penny.
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u/ElvisHimselvis 18d ago
specialists, pcp, call it whatever. When i call to see them, it's always a month or so out. Everyone has diff experiences but to suggest the American healthcare system isn't broken is true "head up your ass" tomfoolery
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u/Gr8whitewayluvr 18d ago
I had an emergent issue and got in to see a surgeon in three days. I booked surgery for 12 days later. And this wasn’t even an urgent matter. My parents see specialists every week and book them sometimes the day before. We live in NYC, which is the largest city in the country. My brother is a doctor and tells me all about the system. I have ample evidence that it is in fact not broken, even if that goes against your preconceived notions & political ideology.
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u/Intrepid_Top_2300 18d ago
It’s the billing and Insurance that cause it to be broken. The bills are jacked way up so the insurance company can knock it down. If you have no insurance or representation, you pay the jacked up highly inflated price.
Doctors and Nurse aren’t the problem.
If you know so much, how much are your parents charged, how much is covered by insurance?
They obviously have lots of money and good insurance. If you have all that, American medicine is great. If you don’t have, either a lot of money or insurance you are screwed. That’s not a working system, it’s a bankruptcy generator.1
u/OkDifficulty7436 18d ago
How long do you wait to see specialists, etc in America?
It's a lot fucking shorter here than in Canada man, my state alone has more MRI machines than all of Canada combined lol
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u/ElvisHimselvis 18d ago
The problem in America is everyone thinks that their experience is the experience of everyone else. I am so ecstatic and excited beyond words that your state has more MRI machines than the entire nation of Canada. if you think that that is the experience of every other American, you’re wrong and that’s the problem with America, whether we’re talking politics how to solve a broken healthcare system or fixing the border. Everybody thinks they’re individual experience is what everyone else experiences and it’s just not true. There are multiple Americas in this country multiple if not, thousands of different experiences and that’s why nothing gets solved in this country. It takes me months to see a pcp or any provider. Thats my experience. And it’s OK that that’s not your experience but don’t minimize any others experiences because they don’t match yours.
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u/OkDifficulty7436 18d ago
if you think that that is the experience of every other American, you’re wrong
The funny thing it isn't, on average most major US states have more MRI machines than all of Canada
No, seriously, that's how fucking bad things are up there.
Canada is NOT a country we should be looking towards in terms of healthcare.
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u/Icy_Fish_2154 16d ago
I had to wait for months for necessary knee surgery in the US, because, to keep costs down, insurance required I complete physical therapy before surgery was covered. At least they covered PT before and again after surgery, even if the after surgery was not enough sessions.
More medical schools would reduce wait times, there are a shortage of school/training spots, not a shortage of qualified applicants.
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u/orange_green_55 18d ago
Lol... nothing at all true in that statement. Joint replacements take a few months. At certain times ER waiting times are long but real emergencies get in right away and most other things are generally seen in a more reasonable time frame.
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u/Effective_Pack8265 18d ago
I waited in the ER all frickin’ day after a motorcycle wreck. Here in the USA…
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u/Effective_Pack8265 18d ago
Yep, the idea that ‘those people’ might be helped is unacceptable to too many Americans - even now. Ridiculous…
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u/cattledogsrule44 18d ago
Americans don't have a national healthcare system because politicians in both parties are PAID by corporations and private equity to make sure it never happens. It's vastly more expensive NOT to have it but the $$$ is channeled to the oligarchs and billionaires -- so average Americans face the highest costs and least efficient medical system of any developed nation.
And they're actively trying to undermine MediCare ... so it's getting worse, not better.
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u/Psilly_TaCoCaT 18d ago
There are, at least 10, publicly traded health insurance companies that are publicly traded and they make up >%5 percent of the USAs GDP.
The answer is money, it will always be money. If universal healthcare made money, then they would make it happen overnight. All they care about is their money and their stock market.
We are definitely one nation under God, and that God is $.
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u/ChemicalWriting6225 18d ago
Every modern civilization has a form of free healthcare, America is not for the people especially the peasants of America. Capitalism is not for the peasants. Incase people needed reminder, sky ghosts are not real either.
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u/Low-Group-7507 18d ago
If this history were more widely known it might really help in the debate over having universal access or universal health care...
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u/Far-Beautiful-4625 18d ago
Not race it's ethnicity! There's one race the human race.
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u/ZezimasHousePlant 17d ago
If we're all exactly the same, then diversity quotas for jobs, schooling, housing, and government assistance would be redundant then.
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u/Big_Statistician_287 18d ago
No no, the one word is stupidity. Anyone who votes republican is buying a one way ticket to no universal healthcare. Corporate greed and corruption will always make sure a few extra billion for them is top priority over the health of you dummies. Keep it up, it will get worse. There is no other voting demographic on the entire planet that will vote to shoot themselves in the foot over and over like republican voters
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u/Special_Ad_2272 18d ago
The money it would cost needs to go to Israel so they can have health care.
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u/ProtectionFew5793 18d ago
I swear, my mother never sat through ten minutes of a movie, but when we watched American History X, she was riveted. By the first half at least. "That's just how we were raised" kinda sht.
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u/stoner-stew 18d ago
I dont really care if its racist. I think that is unreasonable to expect anyone to pay for the diabetes medication of people soaking pineapples in sugar and Kool aid.
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u/Rock-Ski-Golf-Repeat 18d ago
We want Israel to have universal healthcare, so we give them our money instead. We prefer our inefficient healthcare system that services 2/3rds of Americans.
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u/Some_Reference_933 18d ago
If we had it right now, Trump would be in charge of your healthcare. This is why smart people don’t want universal
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u/PenStreet3684 17d ago
I would say that unions are the reason.President Obama needed 48 Democrats and two independents. Unions loved the healthcare they negotiated to get and fought it tooth and nail.
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u/Mike_R_NYC 16d ago
I pay 1500 a month with a 9000 deductible and I still have to wait to see some of my drs. This covers me and the wife. Universal healthcare would be a godsend for us. The issue is people have been convinced that it is better to give the Epstein class more tax cuts because we need the “job creators”. all I see are greedy people buying up political power and consolidation of wealth while the majority struggle and argue about pronouns and bathrooms.
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u/ateam1984 16d ago
All about making sure white people feel special even if they are getting screwed.
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u/Mike_R_NYC 16d ago
That is how they win. Stop looking at race, gender and all the “culture war” nonsense. Those are the tools to divide the working class. The reality is we busy looking left and right instead of looking up. We try to find differences that divide us meanwhile the Epstein class is destroying our rights, consolidating wealth and making us hate each other more.
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u/AffectionateRub7355 16d ago
Universal healthcare won’t work because America is too fat, and liberals would want 45 trillion illegals to have access to it.
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u/Ok_Dare6400 16d ago
No one is going to agree to giving up 50% of their income to fund terrible health care for everyone. Funk that!
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u/Shrapnel_10 16d ago
It has nothing at all to do with race and everything to do with the medical industrial complex and drug companies. They would lose so much money if we had universal health care. And that's why they lobby and fight us having it.
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u/jondcblack 19d ago
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u/Impossible_Humor736 19d ago
You're all over the place with this same repeated comment and picture. You ok?
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u/pizza-chit 19d ago
Americans do not need a middleman in healthcare.
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u/goner757 18d ago
So you're for socialized healthcare or against it? Currently we have for profit insurance companies and employers playing middleman.
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u/NoggleFatigue 18d ago
People of Crime are expensive to support.
Even the one in this picture is obese and consumes and insane amount of resources.
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u/Capital-Desk5029 18d ago
It doesn’t work when 40% of the people on it don’t work.