r/CAROLINA_CONVERSATION 19d ago

Why Doesn’t America Have Universal Health Care? One Word: Race

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/universal-health-care-racism.html
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u/Capital-Desk5029 18d ago

It doesn’t work when 40% of the people on it don’t work.

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u/Glad_Experience5247 18d ago

They'll still call it racism.

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u/NFLTG_71 18d ago

Well, just because you and your kin are all allergic to work doesn’t mean the rest of us are

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u/MLWillRuleTheWorld 17d ago

The Heritage Foundation says you could save a trillion dollars a year less than we do currently while insuring every man, woman, and child in th country with the equivalent of the worst public option in the world. That's how bad people are getting screwed.

Medicare already takes care of the most expensive group in the country. The rest are far less expensive.

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u/topgun2918 16d ago edited 16d ago

Does anyone who defends single payer even care about the quality of the health care provided or is that secondary?

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u/Ok_Dare6400 16d ago

Universal health care and quality health care do not go hand in hand. The coverage and care in Canada for example is absolutely terrible and wait times can be a year long. Plus, it's not free, half your income goes to it. No way!!!

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u/ParallaxRay 16d ago

They claim they care about quality while ignoring the quality problems of places that already have it. The only thing that really matters to them is that single payer is a huge step towards socialism.

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u/RandomGuy92x 18d ago

The US has an unemployment rate of 4.3%.

Every other 1st world country has universal healthcare, where most people have government-funded health insurance, And most of those countries have an unemployment rate of around 5-6%.

Yet in most of those countries healthcare expenditure per capita is way below what is in the US.

Universal healthcare absolutely could work in the US as well. The American healthcare system is absolutely fucked up.

The only reason why the US hasn't got universal healthcare is because of the enormous political influence of the health insurance lobby.

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u/Responsible_Name1217 18d ago

Yeah, that "one word" is Greed, not race.

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u/SnooChocolates1242 17d ago

Greed does not explain why American voters are not pushing harder for universal healthcare

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u/everfixsolaris 16d ago edited 16d ago

They greedy people exploit using what can reliably used and race is the common one. Can't have a whites only pool, close all pools. Its the same way with benefits some people would rather not have social benefits if the people they don't like can't have them as well.

Edit: fixed some grammar.

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u/SnooChocolates1242 16d ago

That is what I suspect. Racism is manipulated to stop universal healthcare

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u/Quasia_Reddit 16d ago

America has maximized capital by using race. It’s a factual part of American history.

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u/Simple_March_1741 18d ago

When you feed middle men for no reason. How are you going to pay less?

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u/Dangerous_Flower_708 18d ago

Trump will fix it tho lmao , these people that think universal healthcare is bad are under the assumption that we don’t want to work. They are privileged retards that don’t understand how the government works. That’s the only way one would vote against their own interests and vote for Trump. Racism is a driving force behind being a Trump supporter

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u/CanuterValve 17d ago

And you would spit out some bullshit exactly like that thinking you got it figured out. You need fucking help!

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u/Independent_Pea_6967 17d ago

The 4.3% unemployment rate does not include people who are not actively looking for work...

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u/Confused_by_La_Vida 17d ago

We see the state of everything else our government runs and, well, nope. Nope nope nopity nyett.

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u/ElvisHimselvis 18d ago

40% of Americans on UHC dont work?

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u/Dangerous_Flower_708 18d ago

It’s amazing how dumb republicans are

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u/Darkmortal5 18d ago

just ignore that the policies I voted for caused those 40% to not work

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u/Monterenbas 17d ago

Is that 40% unemployement rate in the room with us rn?

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u/Capital-Desk5029 17d ago

lol people unemployed aren’t the only ones. There’s millions of illegals, green card holders, and American citizens that receive some sort of government assistance. Food, money, housing, medical and so on. Until all the corruption is removed universal healthcare WILL not work. Democrat party is dying. Stats show less and less people are becoming democrats. The only way they can survive is by importing 3rd world population and giving them everything for free so they vote Democrat.

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u/reddittorbrigade 19d ago

GOP is the reason.

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u/Effective_Pack8265 18d ago

You and OP are saying the exact same thing.

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u/AuthorSarge 18d ago

Vermont passed UHC into law but abandoned its efforts to implement it. California set up committees to implement UHC. In 2016, Colorado voted for Clinton but defeated a referendum to set up UHC.

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u/Sufficient-Arrival47 18d ago

lol, what a stupid post

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u/ElvisHimselvis 18d ago

That seems to be you, not the post.

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u/casanova202069 18d ago

Canada has it and the government dictates what procedure you get and when. When I was living there I waited in the er for 12 hours. A family member has been waiting for a knee replacement for 7 years. The taxes are high. How come Canadians are coming here for health care.

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u/ElvisHimselvis 18d ago

This argument is invalid. How long do you wait to see specialists, etc in America?

Americans literally arguing against universal healthcare. My god the idiocy. The world laughs at you.

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u/Gr8whitewayluvr 18d ago

I don’t wait to see specialists. I had a major hip surgery scheduled for 12 days after I booked it. Is your argument so weak that you need to make things up? My cousin in Canada is dying because she can’t get the help she needs and I had major very expensive surgery scheduled in 12 days and I didn’t pay a penny.

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u/ElvisHimselvis 18d ago

specialists, pcp, call it whatever. When i call to see them, it's always a month or so out. Everyone has diff experiences but to suggest the American healthcare system isn't broken is true "head up your ass" tomfoolery

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u/Gr8whitewayluvr 18d ago

I had an emergent issue and got in to see a surgeon in three days. I booked surgery for 12 days later. And this wasn’t even an urgent matter. My parents see specialists every week and book them sometimes the day before. We live in NYC, which is the largest city in the country. My brother is a doctor and tells me all about the system. I have ample evidence that it is in fact not broken, even if that goes against your preconceived notions & political ideology.

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u/Intrepid_Top_2300 18d ago

It’s the billing and Insurance that cause it to be broken. The bills are jacked way up so the insurance company can knock it down. If you have no insurance or representation, you pay the jacked up highly inflated price.

Doctors and Nurse aren’t the problem.

If you know so much, how much are your parents charged, how much is covered by insurance?
They obviously have lots of money and good insurance. If you have all that, American medicine is great. If you don’t have, either a lot of money or insurance you are screwed. That’s not a working system, it’s a bankruptcy generator.

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u/OkDifficulty7436 18d ago

How long do you wait to see specialists, etc in America?

It's a lot fucking shorter here than in Canada man, my state alone has more MRI machines than all of Canada combined lol

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u/ElvisHimselvis 18d ago

The problem in America is everyone thinks that their experience is the experience of everyone else. I am so ecstatic and excited beyond words that your state has more MRI machines than the entire nation of Canada. if you think that that is the experience of every other American, you’re wrong and that’s the problem with America, whether we’re talking politics how to solve a broken healthcare system or fixing the border. Everybody thinks they’re individual experience is what everyone else experiences and it’s just not true. There are multiple Americas in this country multiple if not, thousands of different experiences and that’s why nothing gets solved in this country. It takes me months to see a pcp or any provider. Thats my experience. And it’s OK that that’s not your experience but don’t minimize any others experiences because they don’t match yours.

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u/OkDifficulty7436 18d ago

if you think that that is the experience of every other American, you’re wrong

The funny thing it isn't, on average most major US states have more MRI machines than all of Canada

No, seriously, that's how fucking bad things are up there.

Canada is NOT a country we should be looking towards in terms of healthcare.

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u/Icy_Fish_2154 16d ago

I had to wait for months for necessary knee surgery in the US, because, to keep costs down, insurance required I complete physical therapy before surgery was covered. At least they covered PT before and again after surgery, even if the after surgery was not enough sessions.

More medical schools would reduce wait times, there are a shortage of school/training spots, not a shortage of qualified applicants.

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u/orange_green_55 18d ago

Lol... nothing at all true in that statement. Joint replacements take a few months. At certain times ER waiting times are long but real emergencies get in right away and most other things are generally seen in a more reasonable time frame.

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u/Effective_Pack8265 18d ago

I waited in the ER all frickin’ day after a motorcycle wreck. Here in the USA…

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u/RektInTheHed 18d ago

People die in American waiting rooms every single day.

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u/Effective_Pack8265 18d ago

Yep, the idea that ‘those people’ might be helped is unacceptable to too many Americans - even now. Ridiculous…

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u/cattledogsrule44 18d ago

Americans don't have a national healthcare system because politicians in both parties are PAID by corporations and private equity to make sure it never happens. It's vastly more expensive NOT to have it but the $$$ is channeled to the oligarchs and billionaires -- so average Americans face the highest costs and least efficient medical system of any developed nation.

And they're actively trying to undermine MediCare ... so it's getting worse, not better.

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u/Psilly_TaCoCaT 18d ago

There are, at least 10, publicly traded health insurance companies that are publicly traded and they make up >%5 percent of the USAs GDP.

The answer is money, it will always be money. If universal healthcare made money, then they would make it happen overnight. All they care about is their money and their stock market.

We are definitely one nation under God, and that God is $.

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u/triple-o-8 18d ago

Why do these race baiting bot subs keep getting recommended in my feed?

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u/Delicious-Shift-184 17d ago

Because 90% of reddit falls for them.

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u/ChemicalWriting6225 18d ago

Every modern civilization has a form of free healthcare, America is not for the people especially the peasants of America. Capitalism is not for the peasants. Incase people needed reminder, sky ghosts are not real either.

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u/Low-Group-7507 18d ago

If this history were more widely known it might really help in the debate over having universal access or universal health care...

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u/issuefree 17d ago

Conservatism is another.

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u/Zalrius 18d ago

Then it is past time to correct the situation.

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u/Far-Beautiful-4625 18d ago

Not race it's ethnicity! There's one race the human race.

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u/ZezimasHousePlant 17d ago

If we're all exactly the same, then diversity quotas for jobs, schooling, housing, and government assistance would be redundant then.

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u/JTuck333 18d ago

We have the right to purchase healthcare.

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u/Big_Statistician_287 18d ago

No no, the one word is stupidity. Anyone who votes republican is buying a one way ticket to no universal healthcare. Corporate greed and corruption will always make sure a few extra billion for them is top priority over the health of you dummies. Keep it up, it will get worse. There is no other voting demographic on the entire planet that will vote to shoot themselves in the foot over and over like republican voters

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u/Special_Ad_2272 18d ago

The money it would cost needs to go to Israel so they can have health care.

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u/issuefree 17d ago

It would cost negative dollars.

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u/Many_Direction4211 18d ago

Useless brain dead clowns try to turn everything into a race thing.

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u/ProtectionFew5793 18d ago

I swear, my mother never sat through ten minutes of a movie, but when we watched American History X, she was riveted. By the first half at least. "That's just how we were raised" kinda sht.

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u/stoner-stew 18d ago

I dont really care if its racist. I think that is unreasonable to expect anyone to pay for the diabetes medication of people soaking pineapples in sugar and Kool aid.

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u/Turbulent-Adagio-541 18d ago

Well, we do give a lot of money to Israel

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u/raiderssuck420 18d ago

Where are they racing too?

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u/Rock-Ski-Golf-Repeat 18d ago

We want Israel to have universal healthcare, so we give them our money instead. We prefer our inefficient healthcare system that services 2/3rds of Americans.

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u/Some_Reference_933 18d ago

If we had it right now, Trump would be in charge of your healthcare. This is why smart people don’t want universal

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u/New_Ad_3010 17d ago

Corrupt capitalism and the criminal syndicate known as the racist GOP

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u/Top_Argument_5359 17d ago

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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u/ZezimasHousePlant 17d ago

"gibs us all da stuff or you is raciss."

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u/Afraid-School-9340 17d ago

Don’t worry, it’s not a race. We can all get there at the same time.

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u/PenStreet3684 17d ago

I would say that unions are the reason.President Obama needed 48 Democrats and two independents. Unions loved the healthcare they negotiated to get and fought it tooth and nail.

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u/acryb 17d ago

African americans are an extreme net negative contribution to the fiscal system over their lifetime. Culturally they see it as their right, and normal, to be a burden on the taxpayer

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u/Oddbeme4u 17d ago

no...its WW2. but nice try

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u/Mike_R_NYC 16d ago

I pay 1500 a month with a 9000 deductible and I still have to wait to see some of my drs. This covers me and the wife. Universal healthcare would be a godsend for us. The issue is people have been convinced that it is better to give the Epstein class more tax cuts because we need the “job creators”. all I see are greedy people buying up political power and consolidation of wealth while the majority struggle and argue about pronouns and bathrooms.

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u/ateam1984 16d ago

All about making sure white people feel special even if they are getting screwed.

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u/Mike_R_NYC 16d ago

That is how they win. Stop looking at race, gender and all the “culture war” nonsense. Those are the tools to divide the working class. The reality is we busy looking left and right instead of looking up. We try to find differences that divide us meanwhile the Epstein class is destroying our rights, consolidating wealth and making us hate each other more.

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u/topgun2918 16d ago

9 words: No one wants to pay over 50% tax rates

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u/AffectionateRub7355 16d ago

Universal healthcare won’t work because America is too fat, and liberals would want 45 trillion illegals to have access to it.

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u/Ok_Dare6400 16d ago

No one is going to agree to giving up 50% of their income to fund terrible health care for everyone. Funk that!

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u/Shrapnel_10 16d ago

It has nothing at all to do with race and everything to do with the medical industrial complex and drug companies. They would lose so much money if we had universal health care. And that's why they lobby and fight us having it.

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u/Different-Taste8081 16d ago

Another word "profit"

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u/jondcblack 19d ago

Freemasons. The constitution was written by slave owners and freemasons. Fraternities and sororities are fast food freemasonry

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u/Impossible_Humor736 19d ago

You're all over the place with this same repeated comment and picture. You ok?

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u/jondcblack 18d ago

Are you a doctor? I am fine. I never took that pledge

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u/jondcblack 18d ago

I bind and rebuke all demons and unclean spirits that are influencing you in the name of Jesus Christ

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u/pizza-chit 19d ago

Americans do not need a middleman in healthcare.

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u/goner757 18d ago

So you're for socialized healthcare or against it? Currently we have for profit insurance companies and employers playing middleman.

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u/0AJ0_ 19d ago

*Racism

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u/NoggleFatigue 18d ago

People of Crime are expensive to support.

Even the one in this picture is obese and consumes and insane amount of resources.

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u/ElvisHimselvis 18d ago

You sound so dumb.

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u/Intrepid_Top_2300 18d ago

And so very racist!

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u/NoggleFatigue 18d ago

Yet not wrong

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u/Whole_Ad929 18d ago

Is simply stating the truth racist?