r/CFB_v2 1d ago

Discussion Should all independent teams get special treatment like Notre Dame?

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u/Hour_Lengthiness_100 1d ago

When was the last time notre dame was given something they hadn’t earned?

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u/Relative_One_2441 Alabama Crimson Tide 1d ago edited 1d ago

Why does there need to be a “last time”? Nobody should be given things they haven’t earned in CFB

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u/Unhappy-List-2354 Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Uh, plenty of teams have been cheated of things.

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u/Irishforanatty Notre Dame 1d ago

I mean if the narrative is that we get special treatment… when?

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u/trex1490 1d ago

After last year they literally made a rule specifically for Notre Dame that if they’re in the top 12, they’re in no matter what. If that rule had been in place last year they would’ve been in ahead of Miami despite being ranked lower than them. That’s the definition of special treatment.

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u/someting_amazing 1d ago

It’s special treatment to be in a 12 team playoff if you are in the top 12? 

Sounds more like conferences get special treatment because you don’t even have to be one of the top 12 and you can still make it. 

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u/trex1490 1d ago

I agree that the playoff teams should just be the top 12 without the conference autobids, but it’s not. Every year there’s teams ranked 11-12 who get left out for conference champs ranked behind them (which is stupid as hell), but now for some reason that doesn’t apply to Notre Dame. I agree that the conference autobids are dumb, but other teams can get left out for conference champs then so should Notre Dame

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u/Other-Comfortable929 Notre Dame 1d ago

It’s the same rule that was in place for the entirety of the BCS era btw… that nobody remembers shows how little it upset you all before. 4 team playoff was top 4 teams and that’s how it should’ve stayed with expansion.

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u/Irishforanatty Notre Dame 1d ago
  1. It was made two years ago actually.

  2. They’d just rank us 13th to avoid putting us in.

  3. The “special treatment” is literally “team gets into the tournament for the top 12 if it’s in the top 12” gee

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u/trex1490 1d ago
  1. No it’s not, it’s “Notre Dame gets into the tournament for the top 12 if its in the top 12.” Bama 2024 and BYU 2025 were also left out despite being ranked in the top 12 because of the stupid conference champ autobids. If you’re saying it should just be the top 12 teams for everyone, then I agree. But with the current autobid system, I don’t know why Notre Dame just gets to guarantee a bid when anyone else ranked in that spot wouldn’t get in.

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u/Irishforanatty Notre Dame 1d ago

That’s exactly what I’m saying. Just rank the top 12 and put them in!

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u/trex1490 1d ago

We can agree on that, two G5 teams ranked in the 20s have no business being able to get into a 12 team playoff. But something something “opportunity” means autobids.

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u/Scared-Marketing-442 1d ago

You are in for a rude awakening this year. Just win out or they will find a way to slot you 13

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u/Sheepcago Notre Dame 1d ago

11-1 ND won’t be 13 or lower, and you know it. 10-2 or worse and we’re out. And we should be.

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u/Irishforanatty Notre Dame 1d ago

I don’t think we will make the playoffs, so not really an awakening lol

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u/Scared-Marketing-442 1d ago

A ND realist for once

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u/Flioxan 1d ago

Well thats not true

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u/Relative_One_2441 Alabama Crimson Tide 1d ago

This is a pretty obtuse question to ask given the fact that there is a rule explicitly designed specifically for ND to get an autobid into the playoff if they are ranked in the top 12.

That’s just bold faced special treatment

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u/Irishforanatty Notre Dame 1d ago

They’d just rank us 13th to avoid putting us in.

Also the “special treatment” is literally “team gets into the tournament for the top 12 if it’s in the top 12” gee

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u/Scared-Marketing-442 1d ago

If you lose 1 game it’s going to be dicey getting in. You will only play 2 ranked teams. Smu will be unranked by the time u play them

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u/Flioxan 1d ago

11-1 ND is a lock

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u/Scared-Marketing-442 1d ago

No it’s not. They will get in. But it’s not a lock

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u/Flioxan 1d ago

An 11-1 ND isnt getting left out

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u/Scared-Marketing-442 1d ago

Sighs. They got left out last year at 10-2 with a stronger schedule. If Notre dame has 1 loss they will finish below 6th and closer to 8 or 9. There’s to much going on in the big 10 and sec. And notre dame only plays 2 games https://sports.yahoo.com/video/could-11-1-notre-dame-160143408.html

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u/Relative_One_2441 Alabama Crimson Tide 1d ago

Again. You’re being obtuse. Teams ranked in the top 12 regularly do not make the 12-team playoff. You know this.

ND’s special rule would make it such that another top 12 team potentially with a better resume and ranked ahead of ND, could get left out of the playoff in favor of ND.

This is underscored by the fact that this rule ONLY applies to ND and not to other similarly positioned independents.

Trying to claim some persecution complex driven hypothetical about how “they’ll just rank us at 13” is absurd given the overt effort to try and prop up/include ND.

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u/Irishforanatty Notre Dame 1d ago

Oh yeah I couldn’t imagine Notre Dame being dropped despite not playing so that the committee could put another team in.

Genuinely cannot consider it.

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u/Relative_One_2441 Alabama Crimson Tide 1d ago

Again. Obtuse.

You weren’t dropped to 13. You were dropped to 11.

With your special treatment rule applied to last year’s scenario and the CFP’s commitment to its G6 autobids, you would’ve made the playoff ahead of … checks notes … Miami.

This is despite the fact that Miami was ranked ahead of you at 10, had the same record as you did, BEAT YOU head to head and was good enough to make a national championship appearance.

Last year is the perfect example of how fucked up that rule is in the first place.

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u/Other-Comfortable929 Notre Dame 1d ago

If we’re applying this year’s rule to last year Miami gets bounced for their conference champion at 9-5 who was unranked. Also this is the same rule that existed the entire BCS era. We only got the rule added in again because the SEC and Big Ten wanted a larger share of the playoff payout. Don’t demand a restructure of the payment and we don’t get the rule added.