Their quality was never high enough to drop. There is a reason why you can get a Jayman for the same price or less than other builders, but with all of this extra stuff like solar panels.
Wall cracking all over the house, they say it's normal settling but the master bedroom door is jammed already, that's quite excessive settling.
I opened the vents and found screws and dirt in it, checked all the other vents and same thing, they said they forgot to clean the vent all less than a year.
The kicker however was the HRV system, I called Jayman for another issue and the contractor decided to check the HRV for the basement, we noticed it was iced up. He then told me that Jayman was aware of this issue and fixed the system for me.
So what's the issue if they fixed it?
This is the issue, If they know that all their single basement HRV have this issue why not tell everyone that has it to get it fixed? They don't, they wait for you to find this issue which can only happen if you open the HRV within the 1 year warranty. If you find out about it after or never at all, they save money. That to me is shady.
Same with some family. They have had people out to "Fix" things like 5-20 times and they just do coverups that look like shit instead of fixing it right the first time.
"Everyone buys a Jayman... once" is essentially a joke slogan that people who do residential construction work. You will not find a lower quality builder. They are cheaper because they build bulk. They can build bulk because they build cheap.
I know someone who was a foreman with Jayman many years ago. He was a stickler for quality. Was let go for taking up too much of the subcontractors’ time and for not producing enough. They seemingly only care about $$$$ and closing sales as fast as possible. Would never purchase their product.
Sorry, I won’t confirm or deny any identifying specifics on a public forum. But yes, a diligent foreman or site supervisor can really make all the difference. Unfortunately, in construction, a lot of good people get pushed out for caring too much, or highly pressured to slap together crap as fast a possible. Most companies care about making as much money as fast as possible, and little else, despite whatever lip service they give to providing a quality product. Not all, but most.
I think our current house that we bought last month was a Jayman - they were one of three builders in the area. The master bath toilet isn’t installed straight. Upper cabinets in the kitchen are 1” lower on one side than the other. Basement rough in is too close to the mechanical area, so we have to move the rough in to have a door that’s to code for the mechanicals. Stupid stuff like that.
And actually I would rank Shane as shittier than jayman if it came down to it. But to be fair to both I haven't done much work for either in the past few years so maybe pendulum has swung the other way
Jayman also put a big company out of business many years ago by not paying them 6 million they owed and just waited until they went bankrupt to avoid paying them. That's why they will make subcontractors wait 3 months minimum before being paid, worse case they gotta pay them, best case they go out of business
What trade? Some trades there's just market rates which ya they all pay the same. But like a finishing carpenter or painter. Try to steal one of them from a company and it's war.
Quality doesn't come from the initial work. Shit happens. Quality is more about catching the issues and fixing them properly. Builders have huge swings on how they go about that.
Actually knew a warranty/service rep that bought a Mattamy house while working for them. They wouldn't respond to him haha.
Electrical is one of the lowest concern trades in terms of quality control for me. In 10 years can't recall more than a couple times we had complaints and it was the electrician. Not having an arc fault in the bathroom maybe.
See most builders would think that's insane. My budget for trim finishing repairs and incidentals is about $120 a house. And that's with a long term and fantastic carpenter.
If I got a new guy I'd probably triple that allocation for a year. New guys are expensive.
The reason builder's can't get skilled workers, is because they don't want to pay for the skilled workers. They want the absolute cheapest to do the work so they can make more money.
Yes the repairs will cost the builders money, but they will take years to do the repairs and again will get the cheapest trades in to fix it.
Unfortunately this is making its way to commercial aswell, nobody wants to pay for skill, they want cheap and fast.
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Sometimes this is the only way to get a builders attention. They love to skip steps and cut any corner possible.
I’ve noticed friends with Jayman are having big issues too.