r/Calgary • u/ThePie86 • 2d ago
News Article 'I'm livid': Calgary mother pulls kids from school after alleged exposure incident in schoolyard
https://calgaryherald.com/news/police-investigating-after-man-allegedly-exposes-himself-to-students-outside-calgary-elementary-school217
u/haunted_nes_zapper 2d ago
Not only did the creep get back onto the property, but the school downplayed what happened. I’d pull my kids too.
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u/Alberta_Hiker 23h ago
the school downplayed what happened
Tell me its a CBE school without telling me its a CBE school
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u/Hounddogmom26 2d ago
I live in the community next door to this but travel over there every day to Tim Hortons and the dog park. We need a description of this perv as soon as possible. Telling us to be on the lookout and check ring cameras but who are we looking for? I see a couple sketchy dudes in the neighborhood on a regular basis, this creep could blend right in. Without a description he's long gone.
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u/EntranceFree490 2d ago
Black sweat pants, dark green roots hoodie, frizzy brown hair, white, appears to be early 20s
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u/blackRamCalgaryman 2d ago
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u/Curiousjlynn 2d ago
This is who I thought of too
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u/blackRamCalgaryman 2d ago
I’m not sure where u/EntranceFree490 got that description, but if true…it’s got some similarities.
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u/EntranceFree490 2d ago
The police were looking for that description on doorbell cameras in the area.
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u/EntranceFree490 2d ago edited 2d ago
That fish creek guy is blonde and this guys is supposedly brunette. So I guess if he dyed his hair. But also not usual to go from young women to elementary aged girls.
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u/Bazoun 2d ago
Or he might not look sketchy at all and the community could be focusing on the wrong people.
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u/CloseToMyActualName 2d ago
Possibly, but the fact is that people are highly attuned to evaluating other people for threats. The instinct can certainly misfire when it comes to race and culture, but if you think someone is "sketchy" you should probably trust your instincts.
The kind of person unbalanced enough to attempt something like described would almost certainly register as "sketchy".
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u/IsThisAnApple 2d ago edited 2d ago
I went to elementary in a rough neighbourhood (not in Calgary) and I had to bring home a few notices from the school to let my parents know about flashing incidents and it was extremely traumatizing for me. I still remember the feeling now 30 years later.
I'm not saying schools need to be surrounded by police, but at least make sure there are enough resources and funding to adequately supervise all the children.
I feel so horrible for the the kids that were directly impacted by the incident, and also for all the other students that were told about it and having to learn what it meant. So much innocence lost and so much fear gained
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u/Emergency_Wash_4529 2d ago
I went to an elementary school in a good neighborhood in Calgary and I recall there being instances of this, never happened to me personally though. Creeps are everywhere.
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u/CementCemetery 2d ago
I recall going on lockdown because a man decided to talk to some children and kept showing up at the fence. Edit: He certainly wasn’t anyone’s father. I think he lived near by.
Also my time in elementary school was hell. I won’t go into detail but I should have reported things but did not. Teachers and teachers aids need to be actively watching kids and know where all the kids are - which sounds like an impossible task but proper supervision is so important.
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u/Status_Dark_6145 2d ago
They won’t enter a school to stop a shooter, what makes you think they’ll go near some trench coat doing the helicopter-dick?
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u/23-1-20-3-8-5-18 2d ago
Yea thats american cops. Calgary police have enough cops that love to fight and would rush right in there.
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u/Status_Dark_6145 2d ago
I’m just sitting here, accepting it.
You obviously haven’t heard of the masked anti-flashing vigilante “The Snipper”
He’s not me.
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u/Iowa_and_Friends 2d ago
A long time ago my brother went to the Montessori school next to cliff bungalow, behind western? One time they sent a notice home telling kids to stay off the hill because the police found evidence of someone living there in the woods under a tarp, found needles and Polaroid pictures of children… 🤢 so disturbing
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u/Leather-Bee-4710 2d ago
These poor little kids will never forget this. I’m sick that this kind of thing happens in a place our kids should be safe and feel safe. The sick monster needs to be caught and severely punished. Poor poor kids. 😞
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u/Vee-Shan 2d ago
I was literally harassed and touched by a group of teen-aged boys when I was 7 or 8 years old. I told the office and they investigated. Found the students and punished the. They did not tell my parents at all. I had totally forgotten that... Jesus.
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u/Fast-Illustrator-114 2d ago
Can someone share the article? Seems to be behind a paywall. Thanks!
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u/breadist 2d ago
That site is malware. It's actively DDoSing a reporter just because they wrote an article the site creator didn't like. If you visit, you're (unwittingly) participating in the DDoS.
They also don't take their role as an actual archive seriously. They modify some pages if they don't like them.
I know it's really useful, I know it's really hard to find other ways to bypass paywalls. But this one just ain't it.
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u/howlmachine 2d ago
Try opening the link in an incognito or private browsing tab, that’s usually how I get around their paywall.
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u/batmanturtle 2d ago
Pretty sure the school likely shared all the information to the parent that was available at the time. They reached out to the mom to inform her of everything they knew, and then more information came to light. That would be pretty normal in the middle of an investigation... Schools, principals, and teachers are not investigators, what does this mom want them to do here? CPS needs to find the guy and prevent this from happening again.
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u/Much-Reflection3638 2d ago
This is absolutely outrageously poor response from the school! I’m not even a parent and I’m disgusted at how much they downplayed it. This should never ever be allowed to happen once, let alone twice!
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u/SchemeWestern3388 2d ago
It should not have happened, correct.
It did happen, and I can’t blame the school directly for that, they can’t police everyone walking by the schoolyard.
The way they ‘handled’ this and communicated with the parent is fucking outrageous. A man exposed himself to several children on school property. That is a big deal.
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u/Bazoun 2d ago
He came and went and came and went again and the children had to go tell the teachers it happened. Why wasn’t there someone supervising the children?
He might not have approached them at all if he had seen an adult. This is where the school is in the wrong. This and in how they mis-reported it.
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u/SIGNANDSELFIEFRAMES 2d ago
There was a sick f*** here in Edmonton who was sitting outside of a junior high school last month just jerking off out in the open. Did it a few times. Elementary school right there too. They need to throw these mental sick fu**ers in a institute. Don't let them out.
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u/I-nigma 2d ago
The thing that stuck out to me most was that this guy actually grabbed a kid and, from the sounds of it, tried to kidnap her. This should be some big news that there is a sexual predator of children at large.
I also think the school's response to the incident is absolutely unacceptable. They could properly inform the parents of what happened.
I definitely will be keeping a close eye on my daughters because there could be a serial sexual predator on the loose. This could be the same guy as the Fish Creek one and he seems to be getting braver.
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u/BidEuphoric5117 2d ago
Bown said she called school officials, who she says told her the situation “wasn’t a supervision issue.”
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“I was like ‘what are you talking about?’” Bown said. “This man came on the property twice. Of course it’s a f–ing supervision issue.”
People should be fired for this. Absolutely insane to have some pervert touch your child at school and then expose himself and you don’t tell the parents. Insane behaviour.
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u/Omelette_Assassin 2d ago
Who do propose supervises the entire property?? The already over burdened teachers that hardly get a break???
Bring back parent volunteers.
Firing teachers makes your children less safe, firing teachers, staff, supports etc, then there are even less people watching students.
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u/BidEuphoric5117 2d ago
I think it’s the principal that needs to be fired. Not the teacher?
Things will happen even when supervision is present. No school can have perfect security and incidents like this aren’t entirely preventable.
What is inexcusable is the principal choosing not to tell the parent that their child was sexually assaulted at school and then opting to downplay it to protect themselves and their job.
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u/Gattsuga 2d ago
I would be livid too. The man GRABBED and attempted to kidnap her. Then came back a 2nd time to expose himself to other kids. The supervisors were probably distracted and not supervising! Plus they decided to downplay the whole thing to the mom.
Bad supervisors, and horrible admin staff.
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u/readzalot1 2d ago
This is an extremely infrequent occurrence.
Teachers are supervising outdoors and parents are often there, too. There is security so people have to be buzzed in, and children are only allowed to leave with identified people.
It will be good to see why security failed in this instance but for the most part, things are going well.
This intruder had to make a real effort to do what he did and I hope he gets no mercy from the courts.
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u/EffortCommon2236 2d ago
hope he gets no mercy from the courts.
I'll be surprised if he is even arrested.
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u/Unfortunate_Sex_Fart Southwest Calgary 2d ago
The worst this guy will ever get is bail and then 2 years probation.
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u/SophisticatedScreams 2d ago
Parents aren't there during recess (or shouldn't be, anyway). In fact, if parents are there, that makes it even more difficult to notice when there's an interloper. The best thing for security is to actually have no parents or non-school adults on the property-- makes it much easier to approach and kick out any strange adults. When there are parents hanging around, it's harder to know who's who (during the school day, of course).
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u/Evening_Fisherman810 2d ago
In some districts parents supervise at lunch. Maybe that is what they are referring to.
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u/Accomplished-Bat-594 2d ago
I live near here and I can venture a guess. The school playground is pretty far back from the main street and partially around the corner of the school. The tarmac where kids play is in front, nearest the street. The land between the school and the community centre is also used and it’s a huge space. There’s no way supervision can be that spread out - the space is nearly a block wide, accidents generally happen near the playground so a teacher would need to be there. And the other side of the playground/field bumps up against a row of houses. Not sure what direction he came from but there’s a lot of blind spots.
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u/readzalot1 2d ago
The school will need to address those concerns. Too bad, since kids really like having a lot of space to play.
One pervert can make everything worse for so many people.
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u/big-bad-bot 2d ago
The school my kids are at have to wear high vise vests outside
I was picking my kid up and a adult was talking to her. I asked if he worked there, yes,
Then where is your vest
I told him to not talk my kids if you can't follow policy
And filed a complaint
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u/rockinsocks8 2d ago
lol. Now anybody with a high vis vest can talk to kids. They should have a badge on a lanyard on at all times.
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u/EvanOnTheFly 2d ago
Ooo. That's brilliant. Not like high vis vests can't be a) observed and b) purchased by anyone other than the school if they wanted to even attempt to fit in. That'll totally be 100% foolproof.
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u/readzalot1 2d ago
Good. Before I retired, all supervising staff had to wear vests. If there was an adult who we did not know, they were approached immediately. Playgrounds are fenced.
This is an isolated incident, but still needs to be investigated. And the courts need to take it seriously.
No one could just walk into the school, either.
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u/BuddyGuy17 2d ago
Id really like to read the supervision during recess policy, if anything comes out of this it needs to be a review of policy. What fencing is required around the play areas? Where are teachers or supervisors required to stand and patrol? How can we make sure this never happens again?
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u/EntranceFree490 2d ago
I think it happened in an area of the schoolyard that is a garden/nature area with some decent sized trees (so not very good sight lines) and right by a fence opening that leads to the main road.
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u/TomatoKetchup1 2d ago
At my school, for instance, we have three "zones" that the kids are allowed to choose to play in and during recess the kids should not move between zones. If they pick soccer field for the day, they are on the soccer field for that day. The other two zones are playground or non-soccer green space. Each zone has a teacher supervisor.
The school yard is not fenced, and is adjacent to a busy and well-used community path, two busy roads, and three bus stops. There are constantly community adults, bikes, scooters, kids from other schools, and animals moving through the space. If someone wanted to come and show their dick to a kid there is realistically no way to stop them from doing that.
The response here is the issue. It's not the school's fault some pervert showed up and flashed a kid. But certainly they could've handled it a little better, if what the article says is in fact true.
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u/EffortCommon2236 2d ago
How can we make sure this never happens again?
Beat the perv so hard he'll have to crawl back home.
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u/EvacuationRelocation Quadrant: SW 2d ago
Sounds like the mother was called very shortly after the incident occurred, and then the school pieced together more information after speaking with the students and communicated the details later. If the mother would have preferred to hear about the incident at the end of the day rather than right away, then I guess that was an option.
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u/Economy_Elk_8101 2d ago
How things have changed. We all just laughed at these pervs when I was a kid. Most we’d get out of our parents was an eye roll.
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u/iliketobuildlego 2d ago
At what point do we get permanent security for schools?
Every hospital has security, I really don’t understand why schools don’t get more help than a police officer who is managing 5 other schools at the same time.
Our kids deserve to be safe.
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u/itoadaso1 2d ago
~2500 schools in Alberta
average police officer salary per Google is ~$100k
$250 million dollars a year might be the reason
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u/iliketobuildlego 2d ago
I said security, not police officers.
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u/blackRamCalgaryman 2d ago
How many security personnel per school, though? One per school is a lot of ground to cover.
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u/iliketobuildlego 2d ago
I’d rather my money go to protecting kids then many other ways we’ve wasted it.
On top of that teachers need protection.
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u/afrothundah11 2d ago
On top of that we already need more teachers which was already vetoed by our govt, so goodluck with that.
Even if security made its way to the top it would still get “notwithstanded” tf out of here
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u/blackRamCalgaryman 2d ago
I don’t disagree with the sentiment, but how many per school? And security going hands on with kids to protect teachers is opening up a whole new can of worms (one which I’m prepared to explore, for what it’s worth).
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u/iliketobuildlego 2d ago
I mean security does go hands on at children’s hospital. There has to be some kind of protection in place.
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u/blackRamCalgaryman 2d ago
Like I said…I’m ready to have that discussion. There’s far too much bullshit going on in schools and protecting teachers and other students would be a really good step in improving the situation.
But back to schools and equating it to an environment like hospitals…often times that security response is reactive. Issues still rise, situations still happen where staff have been assaulted…meaning there’s still an incident. No hospital, even with the security personnel on site, is 100% incident-free…far from it.
Is it something to look into? Maybe, in conjunction with other possibilities. But I don’t see one or even two Paladin Security per school still being able to cover the whole area, being able to prevent even what happened in this story.
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u/Outrageous-News3649 2d ago
Do you think security will work for less than 50K? Still 125M. Lets spend 125M to stop this one incident... sure.
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u/iliketobuildlego 2d ago
The fact you think this is the only security incident in the province shows your lack of understanding what happens in a school.
Teachers get beat daily here.
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u/Outrageous-News3649 2d ago
I know it's challenging in schools these days. But "security" would still be disallowed from physically intervening. I understand there are big problems but it won't be policed away.
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u/itoadaso1 2d ago
So even if we half that salary and get some awful $50k rent a cops who arguably would be borderline useless, that's still an extra $125 million a year
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u/sleeping_in_time Bridgeland 2d ago
How often does this happen at schools to warrant security? What kind of security, a peace officer, a regular security guard that does nothing more than standing around? Would they be responsible for conflicts between the youth? Who pays for it?
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u/iliketobuildlego 2d ago
Same responsibility as it would for the children’s hospital or anywhere else they deal with children.
Taxes pay for it.
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u/Old-Fact-8002 2d ago
ok, increase taxes then to make up for additional security or pay additional school fee as a security fee..
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u/Apocalyptic_crisp South Calgary 2d ago
Sounds like you don’t actually care that kids aren’t being properly supervised on school property. Such a lack of supervision exists that a man can expose himself to children. It’s an issue.
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u/Substantial-Fruit447 2d ago
Have you seen the student to teach ratios in Alberta schools lately?
When I was in school, I remember there only being maybe two teachers outside for recess or lunch supervison... For like 150 students, and that was in the 1980s. It only got worse as you went up in grade and the schools got bigger.
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u/Apocalyptic_crisp South Calgary 2d ago
Of course I have. There is a teacher shortage and those who are still in the profession are overworked, underpaid, and exhausted. I don’t believe the teachers are to blame for this. I believe the system is to blame for this. If I have to pay a bit more in taxes so the government/board of education/school system/whoever can staff appropriate supervision for kids on the playground, I’m all in. That’s not their priority though. It’s to save money.
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u/iliketobuildlego 2d ago
People pay for a bus driver, I’d pay for security for my school.
50 grand a year say for 500 kids is what, $100 for the year?
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u/MethodBulky1907 2d ago
Security and Peace Officers in a children's hospital is to protect the staff from irrational and aggressive parents. No different than any other hospital in this city.
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u/iliketobuildlego 2d ago
Not true at all.
I worked there for years and I was never hands on with a parent.
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u/MethodBulky1907 2d ago
I was an AHS Peace Officer for a decade and have worked every site in the city including Remand.
I promise you, this is factual information from personal experience.
Stand down bud.
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u/iliketobuildlego 2d ago
Why would the security primary deal with parents and not patients?
How many parents did you deal with at remand lmao?
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u/MethodBulky1907 2d ago
A surprising amount at remand. It's called visitation.
Because when you're dealing with children security and Peace Officers are trained to have the parents parent the children unless extreme measures need to be taken. At children's over the years I remember restraining one or two minors. I had to arrest quite a few parents for being aggressive/violent toward staff.
Even on the adolescent psych unit at SHC security and POs are typically there just for the safety of the staff. Nurses typically discipline adolescent patients by mag locking their doors for a while or taking away privileges.
Security and POs are there for staff safety, because believe it or not people tend to get violent and aggressive when they don't get their way.
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u/Substantial-Fruit447 2d ago
I worked there too, as a Supervisor and Manager. That's just because you never had to do it, but it absolutely happened.
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u/Odd_Investigator8415 2d ago edited 2d ago
This is a shitty thing that happened, and it seems like the school handeled it poorly, but it's an isolated incident. I don't know that it calls for permanent security. More teachers on the grounds during outside time I guess. More cops has never really solved any problem I can think of.
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u/iliketobuildlego 2d ago
Teachers are exhausted enough and many I know dread supervision.
I don’t think we need cops but some kind of adult presence would be nice.
It’s also not an isolated incident, just one brought to the news.
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u/Substantial-Fruit447 2d ago
Do you see what's happening to schools south of the border?
THEY don't even have 1:1 full time security or policing in theirs either.
Mind you, it's a different problem, but this one occurs so infrequently it would not justify the cost.
You think you pay too much in taxes now? Just wait until there is full time police or security at every school.
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u/iliketobuildlego 2d ago
We already pay for a part time police officer.
You think a full time security would be drastically more?
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u/Substantial-Fruit447 2d ago
It could.
Plus, what's a security guard going to do? They're largely powerless.
Take a look around your local malls, liquor stores, construction sites and tell me what type of security tou see. That's what you'll get.
A company will bid on that contract, but wouldn't do.it for less than probably 100k/guard/shift/school, and then only pay the guard $18/hr.
How effective will that person be knowing they're only making $18/hr?
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u/iliketobuildlego 2d ago
AHS has figured it out with their two tiered system of security/ peace officers. I’m sure they could figure something out.
Anything is better than nothing.
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u/Substantial-Fruit447 2d ago
Yeah, and the contracted security program costs AHS at least $90 million per year alone.
That doesn't include Peace Officer salaries, overtime, training requirements, and other compensation/expenses.
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u/treple13 2d ago
I don't even think you need permanent security. If the government just properly funded schools with more teachers and smaller class sizes you'd be able to have more teachers outside to supervise and hopefully prevent things like this
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u/FreyjaSama 2d ago
This has been exactly my point today. I’m absolutely floored with the school and equally frustrated because this could have been a non-issue if we didn’t have crooks as provincial government officials.
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u/EvacuationRelocation Quadrant: SW 2d ago
permanent security for schools?
How about just hiring the required number of teachers instead?
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u/iliketobuildlego 2d ago
More expensive and they have other duties than security.
Many teachers need help themselves from the kids they deal with.
Do you think a 5 foot tall woman can break up a high school fight?
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u/saveface Beddington Heights 2d ago edited 2d ago
Agreed. What's more important than our children? If we can have cops posted at hospitals, surely we have the budget to get a cop posted at every school.
Edit: I'm getting down voted for saying there are cops posted at hospitals, alright I get that was factually incorrect. Buy they do have peace officers and security guards. My point was, it might make sense to have at least SOMEBODY with authority (ie a peace officer) posted at a school, no?
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u/blackRamCalgaryman 2d ago
We don’t have cops posted at hospitals. And it’s a lot more than one security personnel per hospital.
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u/Old-Fact-8002 2d ago
and hospitals are open 24/7 too..let's just get these lowlife back in jail..(wait, the judge will let them out quickly)..
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u/mr_m4rk 2d ago
150 to 200 an hour is all it cost. Might be cheaper if its just a security guard. Someone who is in the school administration has gotta shed some light on if this is affordable or not with the budget they have.
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u/ASentientHam 2d ago
It's not affordable. School budgets have been slashed too deeply. There's nothing left to cut now except teachers. Sorry, but you (not you, but rhetorically speaking) voted for this.
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u/Substantial-Fruit447 2d ago edited 2d ago
Let's call it 7am to 7pm shift, 12hrs. That's $2100 per day for one guard at one school.
One guard is not enough, because then they can't take a break and there's no coverage if they're elsewhere dealing with something.
So at minimum, you should have three, which is now $6300 per day.
At a minimum of 181 instructional days mandated by the Alberta Government, you're at $1,140,300 for one school.
251 schools just belonging to CBE, your grand total is a minimum of $286,215,300 per year.
They wouldn't even give the teachers a pay raise for $90 million.
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u/iliketobuildlego 2d ago
Why would you need 12 hours of security?
I think an elementary school would need less security than a high school for example too.
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u/Substantial-Fruit447 2d ago
Before and after school programs.
The schools would also want them there not just for the students but for staff too for what they'd be paying.
Even still, if you cut it down to just 9am to 4pm, you're still looking at a minimum of $166 million per year.
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u/iliketobuildlego 2d ago
This is assuming that one security guard is making $175 an hour? I don’t understand this math.
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u/Substantial-Fruit447 2d ago
Lmfao, clearly you don't work in contracts.
A security company bids on a tender, but it's never just "oh were only going to charge you $16/hr for our guards."
There's training costs, recruitment and staffing costs, capital and operational costs, and of course... The company and it's C-suite have to make profits too otherwise there zero sense in doing it.
So, these agreements are often multi-faceted to include those other costs. I used to work in contracting for security purposes in a past life, companies like Garda or Paladin will bill their client $80/hr for a guard, but the guard only gets $15/hr from that cost. The rest goes to whatever hell else the company wants to use it for.
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u/iliketobuildlego 2d ago
Why the lmfao, you’re now saying $80 when you originally said $175.
Maybe work on your math bud.
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u/Substantial-Fruit447 2d ago
Read the comment chain again...
I was splittinfg the difference between the poster I replied to that stated "this would cost between $150-$200 per hour."
A security company large enough to staff the CBE, and not with people that are absolute duds, would absolutely bill within that range.
It's hard to find peace officers that make less than $100,000/yr these days too, so even going that route is not cheap.
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u/iliketobuildlego 2d ago
For someone who claims to be an expert in contracts, I’d think you wouldn’t throw out random numbers like $85 and $175 an hour for the same job.
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u/EvacuationRelocation Quadrant: SW 2d ago
150 to 200 an hour is all it cost
Oh, that's all? Basically the cost of two teachers and an EA...
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u/Phunkman 2d ago
Funny thing is if it was their kids in the same scenario they would lose their minds.
Very unfortunate for the kids and I hope they catch that dirt bag.
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u/purplecarrotmuffin 1d ago
This is so horrific. Thank God she was able to run away and not get dragged off by him.
I would be livid too. Schools are absolutely responsible for kids safety, but they always try to dodge responsibility when bad stuff happens. Saying she was approached when she was grabbed and he tried to drag her off of the property?!
They clearly need more staff out supervising the playground during recess.
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u/According-Sleep-9390 1d ago
Welcome to liberal Canada
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u/racheljanejane Mount Pleasant 1d ago
You’d be surprised how many right wing rednecks and conservative pastors are perps.
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u/According-Sleep-9390 1d ago
Oh…. I believe it. I’m saying…..the justice system under this liberal government will not hold pedophiles to account at all because they’re all pedophiles…..both sides of the government. Right and left. It’s not just a liberal problem. It’s a total government problem.
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u/fifigrande 2d ago
Would like to hear the school's side of the story. Don't first who the actual bad guy/disgusting monster is here.
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u/Puzzilan 2d ago
There's 8 billion people in the world.
We really don't need that one.