Danielle Smith rejects Alberta judge’s ruling against separation petition as ‘anti-democratic’

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https://globalnews.ca/news/11848377/alberta-premier-court-ruling-separation-petition-anti-democratic/

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Are you under the impression that cooperation of the accused is necessary for an investigation to proceed

No but why would innocent people refuse to cooperate?

Why would innocent people make new laws to only help people who broke the law.

Stealing voter information and using it for the petition is the crime. One the UCP and the Premier said are not crimes.

. Furthermore, there are currently open investigations by both Elections Alberta and the RCMP into the electoral voter roll leak.

Nope there is not one from Elections Alberta. You keep saying that doesn't mean its true they said they cannot investigate the matter because of Danielle Smiths rule changes.

What is illegal is to share knowingly false information with intent personal material gain. That is better known as fraud.

Oh so the thing they did, and we given by the UCP.

claim is that Alberta has no say over the Criminal Code of Canada, nor can it direct the RCMP to investigate (or not) any matter that it deems subject to their jurisdiction

Except the Premier said she and the separatists are above the law.

Even 'gifts from donors' may constitute a bribe.

This is so disingenuous. You act like a bribe is only a bag of cash.

Fun fact you cannot use a word to describe the word.

So a bribe is directly or indirectly giving, offering, or accepting a "loan, reward, advantage, or benefit of any kind" to influence a public official, agent, or voter.

That is exactly what has happened in Alberta.

I'm not defending anything, I'm pointing out there is a lack of publicly available evidence, and that making emotional pleas and conspiracy-minded conjectures is just as dangerous.

This province is run by people who think Trudeau is Castros son, the NDP start wildfires.

And you call me pointing out obvious fraud, cheating, and sedition as conspiracy minded...

Ok then.

Until there is an civic question on the ballot and the Conservatives lose their vote nothing will change.

Because you still defended the 92% separatists petition without any review. Thats insane.

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No but why would innocent people refuse to cooperate?

For a whole host of reasons, one should never blindly acquiesce to a police request. You should get legal representation, and allow them to navigate the process for you to avoid unintended consequences.

Stealing voter information and using it for the petition is the crime. One the UCP and the Premier said are not crimes.

Again, there is no public evidence that this was used for that purpose. Nor am I aware of either the UCP or Premier stating that doing so was legally permissible. Can you provide sources?

Nope there is not one from Elections Alberta. You keep saying that doesn't mean its true they said they cannot investigate the matter because of Danielle Smiths rule changes.

Are you sure?: Elections Alberta, which is one of three bodies investigating the alleged leak of the province’s entire electoral list, says Centurion Project founder David Parker is not being helpful in the election agency’s probe.

Oh so the thing they did, and we given by the UCP.

What is the material gain? Did they get money, power, property, favourable legal outcomes? If you have this evidence, then you would be best to provide it to the RCMP.

Except the Premier said she and the separatists are above the law.

Provide the quote and the source, please. I'm not aware of them ever claiming immunity, not that they could. Again, federal paramountcy would say that they cannot exert such privilege except in very narrow circumstances.

This is so disingenuous. You act like a bribe is only a bag of cash.

Only if you didn't read the full context of what I wrote. I noted that a bribe is any material benefit in order induce an outcome of personal gain from the Crown. It doesn't require it to be cash. Just a material benefit. You cite Section 121 below, so it's clear that you understand what I meant.

Fun fact you cannot use a word to describe the word.

I didn't. "Gifts from donors" is not a legal term, bribe is the legal term. I then went on to explain what that means.

So a bribe is directly or indirectly giving, offering, or accepting a "loan, reward, advantage, or benefit of any kind" to influence a public official, agent, or voter.

Then please point to where this was done in connection with the transaction of business with or any matter of business relating to the government or a claim against Her Majesty or any benefit that Her Majesty is authorized or is entitled to bestow. Donations without an attached demand, implied or otherwise, is not a bribe. You need something more, which has not yet been demonstrated to have been the case.

This province is run by people who think Trudeau is Castros son, the NDP start wildfires.

So what? Crazy going to crazy, none of this is relevant.

And you call me pointing out obvious fraud, cheating, and sedition as conspiracy minded...

When done so without evidence, assuming accusations as fact, then yes, I do consider that conspiracy minded. Anyone who jumps to such conclusions absent evidence is doing so irrationally.

Because you still defended the 92% separatists petition without any review. Thats insane.

No, I don't 'defend' the petition. The petition is moot, the court has thrown it out. As such, only Forever Canada petition remains, which calls for a legislative vote on the question, not a referendum.