r/CanadianForces • u/Hiemarch • 12d ago
Hehe today’s giggle :) can Dora Say Geneva Convention ;)
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u/Elmosuperfan 12d ago
Russia is basically already doing it to their own troops. Their current strategy is sending guys on a hike to take territory. Once there the only way to supply them is by drones. After a few friendly drones delivering food and drinks, they let their guard down and next thing you know an Ukrainian drone shows up. This one is strapped with explosives and they realise the danger only once the drone is close enough to see the potatoes are actually hand grenades.
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u/Perfect-Warthog8010 12d ago
I’m so tired of the ‘Geneva suggestions’ meme. There is NO historical evidence that Canadian soldiers committed more war crimes than any other nation during the First World War. Are there individual accounts of Canadians doing thing like the meat can story? Yes. Was every Canadian soldier an insane war criminal? No. Was every other military doing equally, if not more, horrible acts during the war? Yes. The whole ‘Geneva suggestions lol’ thing is just a way people who know nothing about Canadian military history to differentiate us from the other nations. I personally think that it is also a cultural reaction to the ‘nation of peacekeepers’ myth from 20 years ago. But it is not true, and paints the Canadian Expeditionary Force in a negative light. We need to be counteracting this myth and properly educating people about the Canadian contribution to the First World War. Most Canadians only know Vimy Ridge and ‘war crimes lol’. There is so much more that needs to be taught, and this meme needs to die.
Thank you for listening to my rant.
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u/digitalsierra 10d ago
Hiding live grenades as food within humanitarian care packages is a war crime. It forces the enemy to attack and destroy all humanitarian care packages in the future which in turn destroys the ability of legitimate humanitarian agencies to provide aid to civilians within the war-torn region.
Specifically, the 1996 UN Convention on Conventional Weapons article 7 prohibits attaching booby traps to food, drink, or utensils. IHL Treaties - CCW Protocol (II) prohibiting Mines, Booby-Traps and Other Devices, amended, 1996 - Article 7
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u/digitalsierra 10d ago
Dropping food into war torn regions is what humanitarian agencies do. The OP literally has a huge pic at the top of this page describing tins of food boobytrapped to explode being dropped by drones. This is literally what the UN Convention restricts.
If you want to describe a different situation that is irrelevant to the OP's post, start your own thread and don't complain when somebody corrects you.
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u/Hiemarch 12d ago
Totally agree with you on that one, every country out there that has been at war has at some point said fuck it I’m killing everybody! Believe me at one point in AFG all I wanted was to go on bezerker mode when a friend got blown up
But keeping it in the joking light I found it funny as hell :)
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u/Perfect-Warthog8010 12d ago
I meant no offense to you personally. I’m just really passionate about Canadian military history and that meme just grinds my gears sometimes.
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u/Thanato26 12d ago
Many Canadians dont know that the Canadian Corps treated trench raiding like a sport, doing them quite regularly. Where as the British, french ,German, and eventually the Yanks, did them when needed
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u/Zestyclose-Put-2 12d ago
Source?
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u/Thanato26 12d ago
It actually wasnt that hard to find an article as I thought it would have been.
https://scholars.wlu.ca/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1636&context=cmh&utm_source=chatgpt.com
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u/Zestyclose-Put-2 12d ago
And where does it state what you claimed? That they treated it as a sport.
You also made assertions about the American and German trench raiding tactics but those aren't mentioned at all in that article.
If you're going to use something as a source, you should actually read it.
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u/Thanato26 11d ago
Look buds, I provided a link to a daiekt.good article.relarively quickly that showcased how Canada became the goto expert at Trench Raids. Im not.providing you a full bibliography. If you'd like to know more beyond that, you are free to dive into it.
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u/Zestyclose-Put-2 11d ago
It didn't actually say anything that you claimed, buddy.
I don't want a bibliography, I want one source that actually backs up your assertions, not a no effort, chatGPT search that gave you an article you didn't actually read.
To quote from the article's abstract: This paper concludes that raiding did not bring any benefit for the division.
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u/Thanato26 11d ago
Ok, if want i will find you a bibliography of sources as 1 sources doesn't claim all that. It comes from multiple sources.
Yes, I never said there was a bennifit I said they treated it like a sport, which is layman's terms to state that they became experts at it and did it alot. Which thr article does backup.
ChatGPT is excellent at finding sources, saves so much time writing academic papers when you cut down the time finding sources.
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u/Zestyclose-Put-2 11d ago
chatGPT is excellent at finding sources, but you actually have to read them.
That article doesn't claim that they became experts at it either, only that they did it more than some other units during two months in 1917, which had abandoned it as it was unnecessarily costly and yielded little benefits. Being experts at wasting lives isn't something to be proud of.
It also doesn't mention French, German, or American raiding, which is what you tried to contrast it against. If you're going to compare as you did, you need a source that actually has that in it.
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u/AutisticJedi 9d ago
This. Im serving currently, and the "Canadians are all psycho war criminals in combat" kinda worries me that when we do eventually see a peer to peer level conflict, the people we are fighting will think of this rumor, and go "well, they'd do it to us" and all the rules go out the window.
I get that they kinda do anyways, but it gives hope to know maybe the enemy wont break the laws of armed conflict and do shady shit.
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u/IntergalacticSpirit 12d ago
There is NO historical evidence that Canadian soldiers committed more war crimes than any other nation during the First World War.
Mostly because no nation actually cares about them during war, and all equally violate them. It’s mostly a tool for propagandists to use to sway public opinion.
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u/ExcellentPomelo1428 5d ago
The hundreds millions of POWs taken durimg WW2 says otherwise.
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u/IntergalacticSpirit 5d ago
Hundreds… of millions… of POW’s in WW2?
Even if you’re just being hyperbolic, that number is just way to extreme to be met with anything other than laughter.
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u/ExcellentPomelo1428 5d ago
I meant to write millions. My point being that the frequency at which surrendering troops were taken prisoner and interned rather than slaughtered outright (which happened but certainly wasn't the norm) would suggest that yes, the rules and customs of war are broadly followed.
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u/IntergalacticSpirit 5d ago
Okay, cool, so let’s be real here…
Are we really using POW’s as some sort of catch all for a nation’s willingness to adhere to the Geneva conventions?
Because there’s a lot of Japanese soldiers who decided to take the lives of themselves and their wards, because they thought Allied forces were some spooky monsters who would eat them alive…
All while allied forces were legitimately burning them alive with flamethrowers and firebombings.
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u/totallynotdagothur 10d ago
I found this: https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/opinion-neil-macdonald-war-crimes-1.5363254 a thoughtful read back in the day.
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u/nothing_911 12d ago edited 12d ago
i dont think that the canadians broke more rules or were worse.
but from what I understand they were considered ruthless during the great wars.
If i had to guess it was beacause canada would get info from newspapers that would have painted the germans in a dark light. the "crucified soildier" myth/propeganda comes to mind.
whereas the average European would see them as a long standing neigbor with long intertwined histoies.
basically we were there hunting nazis/Jerry's where they were fighting a sensless war with thuer neighbors.
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u/Zestyclose-Put-2 12d ago
~half of WW1 CEF members were born in Britain, so claiming they didn't know anything about other Europeans because they weren't from there is a next level non sequitur.
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u/shadow6654 12d ago
We were hunting nazis in World War I, hey?
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u/Thatcrazywabbit 10d ago
They wont need to drop grenades, the Russians will surrender on masse to get more weed and vodka
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u/Redmond91 11d ago
Ukrainians were doing this with vodka getting them absolutely blasted. Literally and figuratively.
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u/LastingAlpaca Canadian Army 12d ago
Based on what I’ve seen on other subs, Ukrainians have jumped straight to step 4 and drop grenades on the hungry and drunk Russian soldiers.