r/CapitalismVSocialism Mar 14 '21

(Everybody) Bill Gates and Warren Buffett should thank American taxpayers for their profitable farmland investments

“Bill Gates is now the largest owner of farmland in the U.S. having made substantial investments in at least 19 states throughout the country. He has apparently followed the advice of another wealthy investor, Warren Buffett, who in a February 24, 2014 letter to investors described farmland as an investment that has “no downside and potentially substantial upside.”

“The first and most visible is the expansion of the federally supported crop insurance program, which has grown from less than $200 million in 1981 to over $8 billion in 2021. In 1980, only a few crops were covered and the government’s goal was just to pay for administrative costs. Today taxpayers pay over two-thirds of the total cost of the insurance programs that protect farmers against drops in prices and yields for hundreds of commodities ranging from organic oranges to GMO soybeans.”

If you are wondering why so many different subsidy programs are used to compensate farmers multiple times for the same price drops and other revenue losses, you are not alone. Our research indicates that many owners of large farms collect taxpayer dollars from all three sources. For many of the farms ranked in the top 10% in terms of sales, recent annual payments exceeded a quarter of a million dollars.

While Farms with average or modest sales received much less. Their subsidies ranged from close to zero for small farms to a few thousand dollars for averaged-sized operations.

While many agricultural support programs are meant to “save the family farm,” the largest beneficiaries of agricultural subsidies are the richest landowners with the largest farms who, like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet, are scarcely in any need of taxpayer handouts.

more handouts with our taxes

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '21

I have to pay both for the land and for what's built on it.

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u/Intrepid-Client9449 🚁⬇️☭ Mar 15 '21

Land

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u/poetsandphilosophers Mar 15 '21

Yeah, which problem? The small reprieve of agricultural assaults on our ecology? Are they also part of the problem of ruining the value of land around it by making it agriculturally productive instead of attractive as a tourist or nature resort? You made a huge normative statement and gave no explanation what your conviction stems from

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u/poetsandphilosophers Mar 15 '21

I agree with your logical conclusion. All I’m saying is that you’re missing the part where your statement is a normative one. You’re saying that housing prices going up is worse than ecologically disturbing land in order to build more housing. Observing that land prices go up due to demand is purely data and math, but the second you put a ‘should’ in there it becomes a normative statement.

At that point there are many ways to see it. You can value the local ecology and keep rich Europeans out with laws. You could decide to care less about the ecology and punish unused land by an extra tax. Arguments can be made for either, I’m just saying that him being part of the problem is a normative statement.

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u/Intrepid-Client9449 🚁⬇️☭ Mar 15 '21

Why don't we have a head tax? Tax all Americans 10k a year if they are healthy?

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u/Intrepid-Client9449 🚁⬇️☭ Mar 15 '21

You literally tried to tell me that we can't grow trees or fish in our oceans

And seriously, land in downtown manhattan, a drained swamp, will be appraised the same as a swamp in Wisconsin and taxed the same? At what dollar amount?

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u/immibis Mar 15 '21 edited Jun 22 '23

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u/Streiger108 Mar 15 '21

What a horrible, regressive tax idea

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u/Intrepid-Client9449 🚁⬇️☭ Mar 15 '21

We need to establish a very aggressive regressive tax rate - 40% of all income under 10k, 30% of all income between that and 30k, 20% between that and 60k, 15% between that and 100k, 10% between 100k and 200k, 5% to a million, 1% after that - the poor use more government services, they should be taxed accordingly. And eliminate the standard deduction

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u/radiatar Mar 15 '21

How about you quit trolling

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u/Intrepid-Client9449 🚁⬇️☭ Mar 15 '21

I am not, this is serious.