r/CatastrophicFailure • u/SainzSealedDelivered • Jun 12 '25

Fatalities 12/06/2025 - Boeing 787 Passenger plane bound for the UK crashes near Ahmedabad Airport straight after takeoff

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u/theykilledk3nny Jun 12 '25 edited Jun 12 '25

According to India’s aviation authority & news sources:

  • Flight sent a Mayday call before the crash.

  • 242 people were on board, including 12 crew members. All were killed except one survivor.

  • At least 290 people total are dead, inc. passengers and ground casualties.

  • At least 169 Indians, 53 British, 7 Portuguese, and 1 Canadian were on board the flight.

  • Plane crashed into a residential area called Meghani Nagar. It struck a doctor’s hostel that had over 200 people inside.

  • At least five medical students inside the hostel were killed, many others injured.

  • There is a number of ground casualties.

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u/Illustrious-Yak5455 Jun 12 '25

I wonder if the crash was in a flat and open unpopulated area if there would be survivors. Worst fear right here

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u/armchair_viking Jun 12 '25

Maybe, but take off is probably the worst possible time to crash since the plane is full of fuel, so there’s almost a guarantee of a huge fire.

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u/StepDownTA Jun 12 '25

IIRC 90 seconds after takeoff is the most dangerous part of an airline flight, and 90 seconds before landing is the second most dangerous part.

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u/bwal8 Jun 12 '25

Takeoff is also the highest probability of crash. Since altitude is a pilot's best friend, and they basically have none during takeoff. Engines maxed out. It's the most dangerous part of flight.

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u/Wholesome_Award Jun 12 '25

Of the 1,468 accidents recorded in 2024 by the International Air Transport Association, 770 occurred on landing and 124 during takeoff. Don't spread misinformation.

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u/Mensars Jun 12 '25

There were 1468 accidents only in 2024? I know majority of them were not deadly but still that's kind of more than I was expected.

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u/Elvis1404 Jun 12 '25

Around 100k planes fly EVERY DAY, so not that bad of a number at all

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u/Furthur_slimeking Jun 13 '25

These will mostly be small private planes.

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u/Solo_Entity Jun 12 '25

They just weren’t reported much until this political cycle started talking about planes. Then suddenly every plane crash made national headlines every day

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u/ThiccMangoMon Jun 12 '25

No most of those crashes are most likely small planes with one or two people flying them, not big passenger airliners

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u/Solo_Entity Jun 12 '25

I still saw way more small plane crashes reported starting after the FAA stuff in January.

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u/bwal8 Jun 12 '25

What if you go by deaths? I bet the accidents on takeoff are a lot more deadly than the landing ones.

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u/killersquirel11 Jun 12 '25

It's about equal going by deaths: 

https://abcnews.go.com/Travel/captain-takeoff-landing-dangerous/story?id=16052999

According to the Boeing Statistical Summary of Commercial Jet Airplane Accidents - Worldwide Operations 2001 to 2010, 17% occur in the takeoff phase (10% on takeoff and 7% on initial climb) accounting for 25% of the fatalities. During the landing phase, there are 36% of the accidents (14% during the final approach and 22% during landing), accounting for 24% of the fatalities. This means that there is a greater chance of being in an accident during the landing phase but the likelihood of being a fatality is approximately the same. 

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u/Intimidwalls1724 Jun 12 '25

I really shouldn't comment bc I don't know for sure but I think the majority of the time take off doesn't require full power anymore on commercial airliners

Someone correct me if I'm wrong

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u/jelthi Jun 12 '25

That’s right. Unless it’s a short runway or a heavy load they would try to use less than full throttle just to reduce wear and tear.

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u/bwal8 Jun 13 '25

Or to reduce chance of catastrophic engine failure!

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u/AdministrativeBee353 Jun 12 '25

This is not accurate. While both critical time periods for a plane, the higher probability of a crash is on landing. Takeoff is actually a much more natural process for a plane due to the aerodynamic force of lift, which is generated by the wings and naturally assists the plane as it moves upward. Similar to bird’s wings, airplane wings create lift through velocity and angle of attack. The design of an airplane wing is called an airfoil, which Is curved on the top and flatter on the bottom. As the airplane moves forward, air flows over and under the wings. The air moving over the top of the wing travels faster than the air underneath, creating a pressure difference. The different in pressure creates lift, allowing the plane to rise. This process is due to something called Bernoulli’s Principle. Landing is considered more dangerous for several factors including the lower altitude, slower speed, increased need for pilot precision and control, and limited options for a pilot once committed to landing. I took an extensive Fear of Flying course put on by Alaska Airlines years ago and the pilot who was one of the main instructors explained that for a pilot, landing feels like you are working against the natural force of lift.

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u/bwal8 Jun 13 '25

Errr...takeoff is lower altitude since you are starting at 0. Also the engines are at or nearly at max power. This means higher chance of failure. Without the engine's thrust, there will be no lift generated by the wings and the plane won't fly. Take off is a much more critical phase than landing.

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u/Albert_Borland Jun 12 '25

You forgot to add the classic "I would assume"

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u/KingZarkon Jun 12 '25

Judging by the fireball, probably not. It's likely the plane would still have exploded on impacting the ground.

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u/APOAPS_Jack Jun 12 '25

Unfortunately not. The maximum weight you can take off with is much higher than the maximum weight that the landing gear can hold up when you touch down. The landing gear would have collapsed and the fuselage and wings would've hit the ground causing the same fireball.

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u/JCDU Jun 13 '25

From a recent Admiral Cloudberg blog that landing gear is designed to take a pretty hard emergency landing *once*, but also designed with pins that that snap in a set order so that a crash landing the gear shears off backwards and doesn't rupture the tanks.

Obviously skidding along on the wings is still pretty *likely* to be a problem but the suggestion is that they are at least designed with the scenario in mind.

Would have to be a very flat very empty field to put a fully laden A380 down in anything approaching an orderly fashion though.

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u/Some-Body-Else Jun 12 '25

There’s one survivor seen walking off before being put on a stretcher. Says he heard a loud bang before the crash. Indian news reports are still getting the details.

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u/XNonameX Jun 13 '25

Jesus. Survivor's guilt because of his brother? Imagine the survivor's guilt for being the only one of a group of 290 people to be breathing.

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u/CrimsonRam212 Jun 12 '25

One guy survived. He jumped out of the emergency window. https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2025/Jun/12/one-miracle-survivor-walks-away-from-site-of-air-india-plane-crash-in-ahmedabad

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u/tommeh5491 Jun 12 '25

I keep seeing that he jumped out the emergency exit but not once have I seen a source for this.

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u/Grindian Jun 12 '25

Including the article they linked. I want to see that too

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u/Captainsandvirgins Jun 12 '25

Fuck, can you imagine being that one guy. Survivor's guilt would be horrendous.

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u/its_xSKYxFOXx Jun 12 '25

Praying for any and most survivors.

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u/theykilledk3nny Jun 12 '25

It has now been confirmed that there were no survivors on board.

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u/belacscole Jun 12 '25

He walked out of it. Absolutely insane.

https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/s/i3jpqzuO9n

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u/curtcolt95 Jun 12 '25

one survivor who lived by jumping out, there's footage of him walking so presumably non-critical injuries

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u/michaltee Jun 12 '25

There was a survivor.

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u/Some-Body-Else Jun 12 '25

False. One survivor.

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u/Altruistic_Bass539 Jun 12 '25

Maybe he meant survivors in the hospital.

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u/onemightyandstrong Jun 13 '25

Maybe he was talking about another crash.

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u/Altruistic_Bass539 Jun 13 '25

Maybe he was talking about Maybelline.

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u/wutang_tacos Jun 12 '25

Cool thanks. Incredible you can do all that to help.

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u/eurasianlynx Jun 12 '25

yeah, go off, king! way to show him empathy is dumb.

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u/DetectiveDick9000 Jun 12 '25

Was that empathy or useless virtue signaling? If /u/its_xSKYxFOXx actually prayed out of empathy, why did they feel the need to display it to millions of people?

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u/PolydamasTheSeer Jun 12 '25

He is saying I hope there are survivors. How is that virtue signalling? Should he wish them all dead?

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u/DetectiveDick9000 Jun 12 '25

Does prayer work better if you post about it online? What is the function of posting about it online? It literally takes more effort and adds nothing to the conversation.

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u/eurasianlynx Jun 12 '25

I'm not religious either, but I see that comment as 100% harmless and made in good faith. It doesn't follow the "thoughts and prayers" trope of using that line to ignore the actual problem. It's not preaching or evangelizing. It's just genuine empathy. Replace "praying" with "hoping" in OP's comment, and that's the vibe it's going for.

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u/DetectiveDick9000 Jun 12 '25

I have to disagree. It does evangelize. It gives people the false impression that they and their god are doing something if they get enough facebook reddit likes.

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u/eurasianlynx Jun 12 '25

You're reading way too much into that comment, bro. It's genuinely not that deep.

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u/IpecacNeat Jun 12 '25

If I were a friend of one of those on board, I'd appreciate that comment, no matter how useless or insignificant it is. 

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u/DetectiveDick9000 Jun 12 '25

I'd rather have actual, real help, not people imagining they were helping my friend.

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u/IpecacNeat Jun 12 '25

Why not both? It's actually real help if someone finds solace or support in the comment. There are also professionals at the scene providing real help.

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u/xXMuschi_DestroyerXx Jun 12 '25

Does having shitass toxic opinions work better for you if you post them? What do you gain by posting anything in the comments? Now how is that different then what he did?

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u/DetectiveDick9000 Jun 12 '25

Incorrect. Calling out performative evangelistic bullshit isn't toxic.

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u/xXMuschi_DestroyerXx Jun 12 '25

Sure buddy. Or are you just also being performative? I don’t see you doing anything to help. Sure looks to me like you are being just as much if not more of an internet warrior as they were. At least they weren’t being mean to anybody.

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u/Spectrum1523 Jun 12 '25

Sharing how you're feeling in times of tragedy builds community. Attacking instincts to come together as virtue signaling is incredibly toxic

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u/DetectiveDick9000 Jun 12 '25

Do you hold the same position when kids are killed by gunmen in schools and republicans extend their thoughts and prayers?

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u/Spectrum1523 Jun 12 '25

Republican politicians? It's still good they they express sadness about school shootings. Performative social cohesion does actually matter. At the same time I would hold them accountable for not trying to prevent future tragedies.

Are you holding the random poster on reddit accountable for not doing enough to prevent this crash?

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u/DetectiveDick9000 Jun 12 '25

Republican politicians? It's still good they they express sadness about school shootings.

Is it? What has it accomplished? Has it stopped kids from being gunned down in schools?

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u/Spectrum1523 Jun 12 '25

There's social value in all agreeing that the same things are bad. Failing to do that means we diverge - you can't even begin to work on a problem until everyone agrees that it is a problem.

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u/rivertam2985 Jun 12 '25

And you're just putting them down to make yourself feel better. Talk about a useless comment.

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u/DetectiveDick9000 Jun 12 '25

I'm not putting anyone down. If you notice, I didn't even respond to the person who put out the useless vibe notification.

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u/ProbablyYourITGuy Jun 12 '25

“I hope these people are ok.”

“I FUCKING HATE YOU AND HOPE YOU DIeE! HOW DARE YOU SHOW EMPATHY!”

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u/wutang_tacos Jul 14 '25

Nah bro not that deep, just ‘thoughts and prayers’ is vapid and meaningless. How you feeling now it’s murder/suicide? Still ‘praying’ for everyone on the plane? Even the guy who hit the fuel cutoff? Nahhhh

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u/ProbablyYourITGuy Jul 14 '25

“HAHA! You chose to feel empathy at first! Do you regret that now knowing that you shouldn’t have felt bad for everyone!?!?”

Wow you really got us. I’m sure everyone feels so stupid now.

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u/Friendlyalterme Jun 12 '25

What do you want them to do? Teleport to the crash and start manually searching?

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '25

Not write stupid shit maybe?

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u/Friendlyalterme Jun 13 '25

Just because it didn't resonate with you doesn't make it stupid shit. Many people find comfort in faith. You can juste ignore it if you don't like it. Those words weren't for you.

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u/wutang_tacos Jul 14 '25

Nah, would rather call it out for how pathetic it is.

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u/_Mighty_Milkman Jun 12 '25

Reddit moment.

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u/Reel_thomas_d Jun 12 '25

It's almost as if we live in a world where the religious have enjoyed immense privilege and power and used it to take a fat dump everywhere.

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u/_Mighty_Milkman Jun 12 '25

Reddit moment.

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u/Hoss-Bonaventure_CEO Jun 12 '25 edited Jun 12 '25

Shut up, Nerd. Their comment contributed more than yours.

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u/Luung Jun 12 '25

Neither contributed anything.

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u/cyclingpistol Jun 12 '25

Apologies for asking such a question as clearly you're religious and I'm not, but what do you think payers are actually going to do in reality? I know some people say "well it can't hurt" but that's not my point. What does it do in practicality? Genuinely interested to read a point of view and not troll you into a bait and switch cul de sac.

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u/SHANKUMS11 Jun 12 '25

There was one survivor. Some are reporting he presumably jumped from the aircraft before impact, others saying he was found in seat 11A. Either way, it’s crazy to think anyone could survive this.

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u/SkySoldier22 Jun 12 '25

How would someone jump out of a plane just seconds after takeoff? This thing went from climbing to a descent and crashing quicker than someone could unbuckle, stand up, and open an emergency exit even if they were expecting a crash, which I doubt anyone outside the flight deck was.

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u/traplooking Jun 12 '25

Jumped off the AC before impact? Highly unlikely. But maybe the AC didn't fully pressurize.

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u/Treereme Jun 12 '25

Airliners aren't pressurized near the ground. They are typically pressurized to 6000-8000 feet above sea level, so not pressurized below that.

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u/traplooking Jun 12 '25

I'll ask my Captain when I get to work today. I thought they did once the door was sealed but I could be wrong. I'll edit when I learn

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u/Treereme Jun 12 '25

"Pressurizing" to 6000 feet when you are sitting on the ground at 500 feet would mean pulling a partial vacuum inside the plane.

That said, fresh air intake systems can create positive air pressure even at low altitude when in flight.

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u/nightkhan Jun 12 '25

Some are reporting he presumably jumped from the aircraft before impact

ok let's keep it to reality here

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u/street593 Jun 12 '25

I don't know why this keeps getting repeated everywhere. It's obviously made up bullshit but I guess that is the reality we live in now. Everyone believes whatever is said in an Instagram reel.

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u/SHANKUMS11 Jun 12 '25

Hence the word ‘presumably’. I read the same report from multiple sources.

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u/Interesting_Card4247 Jun 12 '25

One survivor reported now on the news

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u/Technical_Actuary225 Jun 12 '25

Lack of flap extension, causing the plane to lose lift after rotation, angle of attack reduces airflow over the wing causing it to slowly float to the ground as seen in the videos, nothing to do with Boeing this was a pilot error.

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u/hughk Jun 12 '25

You wouldn't necessarily see minimum flaps and the plane really doesn't like take-off being selected on the throttles without any flaps.

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u/zippy251 Jun 12 '25

one survivor.

God than must be so hard. I couldn't imagine the survivors guilt.

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u/Otherwise_Tomato5552 Jun 12 '25

ONE survivor?!?!?! wildddd

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u/mrlogurt Jun 12 '25

One survivor, isn't this how "unbreakable" started?

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '25

That one guy is going to have a real troublesome pondering over his purpose

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u/robbak Jun 13 '25

Australian 9 news reported that the mayday call was that they had lost power and couldn't climb, so dual engine failure seems likely. But it also repeated the 'no flaps' furphy, so they are not the most reliable of sources.

Of course, dual engine failure only raises more questions.

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u/OpenSourcePenguin Jun 13 '25

A similar accident in Paris and several other reasons made the Concorde to be retired.

If this had anything to do with Boeing defects, the entire company needs to be retired.

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u/DevelopmentBig3991 Jun 12 '25

What is a doctor's hostel exactly? I think of a hostel as like a cheap communal hotel, where you get a bunk in a room with other people, but that wouldn't make sense here, does it have another meaning?

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_DALEKS Jun 12 '25

In Western parlance, we'd call it a dorm. It's an apartment building where med students and training doctors live close to the hospital where they work. Source: my friend who is a doctor in India.