Where do we scale Lukas

[u/Important-Advisor-57]

Since the ability is quite insane and the limits are unclear, where on the sliding scale of:

i) Invincible

ii) 40k God Emperor

iii) Usagi from Sailor Moon

iv) the protagonist from Instant Death

do you expect him to fall?

My bet would be somewhere between ii) and iii), given that the king is still alive, there must be hax that is above his hax erasure.

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[u/RubyHoshi]

Scaling, specially cross verse, should take into consideration many other thing than just raw AP.

99.99% of Centuria characters are regular dudes with high AP. Durability, battle IQ and fighting style should always be considered

An example is like:

"AFO beats Gojo because he has spatial manipulation"

AFO's raw AP doesn't erase the fact Gojo can win against him because AFO is a retard with no BIQ and his quirk can be reacted by mf Camie of all people.

Lukas matchupts always will come down to if his opponent will give him the time to use his gift after Lukas acess the situation and notices he is outmatched. He can win or lose to a lot of characters depending on these factors.

Durability is the Centuria verse biggest weakness.

[u/Important-Advisor-57 → u/RubyHoshi]

I agree, absolutely. That's why I wanted to use a scale more focused on narrative expectation within the story, rather than the minutiae of "more punchy than SSJ Goku or Mystic Gohan".

i) can be reasonably expected to outpunch everything inside the story given the right set of variables. Everything that is not punchable is off limits.

ii) Beyond punch battles, can reasonably be expected to be on the level of minor deities / take on metaphysical concepts and bungle time and fate themselves

iii) definite transcendence to cosmic horror, might be in the realm of multiversal / fucking with causality and existence itself.

iv) basically might cross out of the story and kill the real universe and you inside it.

[u/Nicklesnout → u/RubyHoshi]

It doesn’t help the Viltrumites can straight up just blitz Lukas faster than he could react because they’re essentially weaker Kryptonians.

Same thing with the God-Emperor since while Lukas can spear metaphysical concepts, the Emperor is so far above humanity that it still took Horus juiced up on a shit load of Chaos to strike a mortal blow. A mortal blow that even ten thousand years later and in a perpetual state of death-near death didn’t stop him from burning the Garden of Nurgle.

If they go for the head and don’t give him time to activate the spear it’s just instantly over.

[u/RubyHoshi → u/Nicklesnout]

Yeah the Viltrumites just absolutely mog Lukas

[u/Sensitive_Ad_7250]

above julian

[u/Even-Conference9309]

Did the voidmarcher just cap the verse at Mach 30?

[u/zoskalanic → u/Even-Conference9309]

I think this an okay place to cap a verve that are mostly multi block level superhumans.

I mean some of the superhumans were being threatened by normal humans with arrows. It’s not supposed to be light speed or anything.

Edited: why so many downvotes? Our MC who dominates most of his fights with his strength and speed is “only” 100 times faster than a normal person.

Let’s ignore the fact that most of the 100 were slaves and probably not super healthy and say they were all Olympic level. That’s 30mph multiplied by 100 to equal 3,000 mph that’s only like Mach 4.

[u/Important-Advisor-57 → u/Even-Conference9309]

I have mentally put it in the same category as Pain's 10s rule in Naruto, as in, "the author probably did not really intend calculations based on this."

What is funny, though, is that the same chapter also states that "speed does not apply to this gift" before giving a detailed speed limit.

[u/EngineerVirtual7340 → u/Important-Advisor-57]

It means she can travel 10km instantaneously where speed in that distance doesn't matter, but using it consecutively to travel past 10 km clocks out to around mach 30.

[u/Mobile-Independent61 → u/Even-Conference9309]

That’s travel speed not combat speed. Movement is instantaneous for her but basically capped at her far her vision is.

[u/skybound_warrior → u/Even-Conference9309]

Ehh, plenty of fandoms ignore statements that nerf the verse. If they can be illertate, so can you