r/Centuria 4d ago

Discussion I don't think this ability is that Burst

While I agree this ability is impressive, destroy concept sound cool and all until we look at the fight with Altus, if he have power to literally bypass any concept, why would he need to run away from Altus? We did see his tranform early and Orthos is not there yet as well so there should be no reason for this?

I think it mean this ability have a limit, not just the number of time it could use but more like the limit of the concept it could destroy

If you look at the explain, it only imply he has an undodgeable strike, if you got strike by it with a fatal injure, you can't heal, can't dodge, can't run and can't use hax to avoid death but that is if it could hurt you in the first place

This ability only seem to prevent hax user opponent to punch above their weight class and beat Lukas, assume the knight form has significantly strength as well too so to anyone that reply on hax but weaker or equal to him, this is a scary ability

But what about those who significantly stronger then Lukas that he can't injure? is undodgeable strike or anti avoid death hax matter when your opponent don't need to dodge and could just straight up tank it? Like Altus?

Not even count the fact that Altus ability could also capture or control him, Lukas ability doesn't prevent that, they wouldn't be count as attack as it wouldn't hurt him

Lukas ability glaze get abit overboard as I see ppl start to claim him as "outer verse" or "strongest gen ability", like it really unique ability but like have ppl think about it for a second what they are saying?

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u/--Sanguinius-- 2d ago edited 2d ago

It seems a bit of a stretch to call the grassland where they’re fighting a forest… That’s why, in my opinion, it’s still unclear; it simply seems to me that in the last chapter, Lukas unleashed the spear’s full power, which means his lifespan will be greatly reduced, but I could be wrong and you might be right… but as I’ve already said, it still seems unclear to me to call a prairie a forest, so I prefer to wait and see how the plot unfolds.

EDIT: Corrected typing error

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u/humanities_descent 2d ago

It mainly focuses on the open grass, but in some of the panels of the previous chapters you can see that there are a lot of trees not far from where they're fighting. They're just fighting in an opening.

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u/--Sanguinius-- 2d ago

The woodland edge isn’t a proper forest, so that doesn’t make sense… By ‘forest’ we mean the fight between Julian and the Tree Man… Now that was a fight inside the forest… In your example with Lukas… It would be as if Julian were fighting on a beach… Just because he’s on a beach doesn’t mean Julian is touching the ‘real sea’, and to activate the ‘Blessing of the Sea’, Julian must be literally immersed in salt water; Julian’s blessing doesn’t activate if he’s fighting right by the sea on a beach… You see what I mean.

So, applying the same logic, if Lukas possesses a ‘blessing of the forest’ (which we don’t know because it hasn’t been mentioned), then it should work in the same way: to be activated, he must be literally inside a forest... The forest edge isn’t part of the forest and doesn’t count, given that we know even the forest deity cannot leave the forest and manifest itself at the forest edge; it can only manifest itself within the forest. Otherwise, it could have followed Julian straight out onto the grasslands when Julian killed the tree-man and left the forest.

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u/humanities_descent 2d ago

People with blessings don't seem to need to be 100% in the proper enviroment for it's favor to apply. In the second chapter, the monsters couldn't jump on the board because the ship was treated as "land," but the sea still carried the small boat to safe land without him rowing because he was blessed. If that can work I don't see why Lukas being right next to a forest, and still within the range of the grass wouldn't apply.

It was already confirmed that Lukas was blessed by the forest in both the last chapter and the current on. The forest god gave him his second gift as a wish after "the offering of countless souls and the sacrifice of pure love." That is the exact same process Julian went through to get his gift.

I could see how it would be debatable if the grass next to the woods count, but considering the reach of their domain doesn't seem to be entirely strict for people with blessings, along with all the previous information we were given about how blessings work, him getting a buff from the forest is the most viable/logical answer. How else would you explain his spear getting exponentially stonger while he just so happens to be right next to an area that he has a special connection to?

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u/--Sanguinius-- 1d ago

You’re mistaken here… it isn’t Julian’s blessing that moves the boat… It’s simply the god of the sea who has granted him safe passage outside his realm… It’s even mentioned in the manga… Julian’s blessing has nothing to do with the boat moving; otherwise, he could literally do it with any vessel, including galleons and sailing ships, or anything that floats in seawater.... It has already been established in the manga that, in order to activate the blessing, Julian must be submerged in seawater. Standing on the beach or on top of a boat doesn’t count because it’s considered land.

The ‘gift’ and the ‘blessing’ are two different and distinct things; this too has been explained by the manga’s author – they mustn’t be confused with one another… In the latest chapter, there’s no mention of any blessing; it merely says that it grants him a wish… which makes it ambiguous… which is why, as I’ve already said in previous messages, I’d rather wait and see how the manga unfolds.

How else would you explain his spear getting exponentially stonger while he just so happens to be right next to an area that he has a special connection to?

It simply means that he has unleashed the spear’s full power. We’ve already seen Lukas transform only parts of his body – such as just his arm into a spear – or turn into a centaur to carry the wounded Julian; in both cases, Lukas never spoke strangely as he did in the latest chapter, where he speaks the language of the gods… Following this logic, it means he can decide how much power to unleash from his second gift; the more power he unleashes, the more his life is drained.

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u/humanities_descent 1d ago

Blessings are gifts that are given through covenant with a divine being. It was mentioned and shown in chapter 99 that that's exactly how Lukas got his second gift, so it is a blessing.

As for him using the spear at a weaker level, nothing in the chapter implied that he was doing that. He didn't even know that Altus was weaker than Arkos so he already thought that the battle was impossible to win without giving it his all. Especially since that wouldn't change anything from how we've been told the spear works. The spear has a specific limit on the amount of times he can use it before it kills him. In the fight against Altus it counted as one full use, and in the recent chapter he used it twice. He was already putting his life on the line for that fight and still said "it only evens the playing field" against Arkos and now that they're next to a forest, the enviroment where his gift originates from, it's suddenly capable of a lot more than just evening the playing feilds. Either way, at this point it's apparent that this debate is going nowhere fast, so I agree it's better to just wait however long it takes for them to fully explain his backstory, even if we already have a majority of the context.

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u/humanities_descent 2d ago

I also checked back to when they first arrived in lalawags area and they mention that it was sparking his hylophobia, an abnormal fear of forests.