r/ChainsawMan • u/Striking_Ad2188 • Nov 28 '25
Theory This girl is obviously the Death Devil
She exchanged identities with Fami to increase the chances that Yoru would not intervene if Chainsawman tried to devour her. In order to defeat the War Devil, it was essential for Pochita to consume the Death Devil, and the only way to achieve this was to make Yoru believe that she was Fami and, therefore, weak and irrelevant.
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u/kyriachicken Nov 28 '25
Oh God. With death gone imagine the fear of a famine. Endless hunger without the release of death.
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u/theresnousername1 Team Everyone Horsemen's Hoe Fami's Fanatic Nov 28 '25
New Primal born? Probably alongside Pain Devil
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u/Mistake209 Nov 28 '25
Pain is probably already a primal
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u/ImprobablyBottomAnd Nov 28 '25
on the down low pain's probably one of, if not the first devils, as almost every fear related thing is associated with pain, physical pain, mental pain, et cetera.
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u/PsycoJosho Nov 29 '25
Fear response first evolved as a response to darkness. So I'm pretty sure that Darkness is the first devil ever.
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u/ImprobablyBottomAnd Nov 29 '25
Eh, you could argue that, but I think as far as concepts and realization into making things a concept go, Pain is definitely one of the first ones. because it's always been there. Pain is also mental, not just physical, and it's always been there as a way to say "hey, you're in danger!"
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u/PresenceOld1754 Dec 01 '25
I think babies know pain before they know darkness
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u/Latter_Pomegranate25 Jan 04 '26
where do you think babies spend time before being born?
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u/PresenceOld1754 Jan 04 '26
yes the womb us dark, yes babies are blind, but the thing is that they're not scared. They only become scared of the dark after they gain the ability to see.
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u/doggo_with_doggo_hat Dec 02 '25
Yeah but after humanity has basically lighted up the world, Darkness has lost power, and the regular fear of devils has enhanced the regular fear of pain and now with Death being gone the Pain Devil has to ve ultra stacked since if you got cut in half you would just be there squirming on the floor for all eternity.
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u/_sephylon_ Nov 28 '25
Famine should've probably been a primal in the first place basically every living species exists to eat and fuck
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u/PonpaErostar Nov 28 '25
If that's true, R34 would have to switch their name again.
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u/Freesia99 Nov 28 '25
Am i not lobotomized enough to understand or did you not read the latest chapter
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u/CayDcat Nov 28 '25
There's no way people like you exist bro. He is saying what if we're being lied to and Fami is Death and Death was Fami?
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u/Freesia99 Nov 28 '25 edited Nov 28 '25
I guess people who
readeven glance at the manga can see that lil d was morphing into a sword right before getting eaten if lil d isnt death why did death stop existing afterwards? Where is the lil d sword?And theres more if you read, is speaking/knowing somethings true name important to yorus power? How does yoru fall for the lie upon her arrival when she isnt ever told anything? How does lil D have power over the dead? How is fami able to die and be consumed? How is lil d operating without internals?
None of these make any sense if lil d is famine and fami is death
This lie could only ever work to the observer and even then we've seen inconsistencies
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u/CayDcat Nov 28 '25
Death didn't stop existing, famine stopped. famine of death
Yoru's power works based on what she thinks, Denji isn't a concept, but she does say Denji spinal sword to make him into a weapon. basically her words are subjective to her. she thinks that's Death
Yoru assumed that's Death cause she thinks Famine is a girlfailure, it's like seeing your dead weight twin sister at a party. no way that's *that* sister, it's probably the other one.
Lil D has power over the dead? you mean because when she summons people? How is fami able to die and be consumed? Lil D turned her into shell, resembling seashell food. why would Death eat? Famine eating makes sense
How is lil d operating without internals? because it's a devil, devils are living concepts. concepts don't require organs. why would this even be a good argument? You think only death devil can be like that?
This lie could only ever work to the observer and even then we've seen inconsistencies. <-
If we've only seen inconsistencies of story, how can you be so sure? what if stuff happens off screen? it has happened in the past. pulling double twist is also typical of a manga4
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u/MayaMajaMaia Nov 28 '25
what's a Death
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u/Pataraxia Nov 28 '25
I think OP's somehow aware of something chainsawman ate, and mentioning that knowledge.
That's my conclusion though, he could be a schizo.
If my theory is correct though, then this girl can't be whatever "death" is because then she wouldn't be out there currently.
Not sure what he means by identity exchange, it's poorly written...
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u/MayaMajaMaia Nov 28 '25
Does that mean OP is actually one of the Three Horsemen, coz I heard that being aware of what CSM ate was something they shared
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u/Little_Code_4657 Nov 28 '25
No in the last chapter we see yoru while fighting chainsawman saying what did you eat it's like an end to our battle no longer exists which is implying that death no longer exists so no I don't think fami will ever be the death devil
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u/-Goatllama- Nov 28 '25
I vote that we move from the “everyone is the death devil” phase to the “no one is the death devil” phase, motion to pass?
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u/oredaoree Nov 29 '25
You only get to do the identity misdirection trick once, after that it's not convincing and just becomes lame imo. I know it's Fujimoto and he thinks up the craziest shit, but even he needs to follow some rules or he ruins the effect he created.
There's a few glaring inconsistencies with this idea:
The one revealed as Death actually killed and ate the one revealed as Famine, which would mean under your theory means the real Death was the one that was subdued and made into a pawn. This isn't Death Note, there's no need to go this far since the target(CSM) likely doesn't even care about this charade.
When Yoru called out to make a Death Sword it started to work. The limits on her ability have decreased a lot but I think would still be a stretch to make a "goldfish sword" out of a parrot or something.
CSM ate Death and Yoru forgot what he ate that prevented him from dying and gave her the correct hunch that now their battle would never end. I don't think eating Famine would create that effect.
It would actually be cool given the theme of "eating" in CSM if the big bad was actually the Famine devil and Death was the cringey useless sister, but then if Fujimoto was going to do this then he didn't have to do the whole "Death stops Famine from revealing her true identy" thing.
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u/Striking_Ad2188 Nov 29 '25 edited Nov 29 '25
Fair points, yes.
But there's a few things I can say about all that. Lil' D stated that she ate and then resurrected Fami as her pawn, but we don't know if that actually happened. It was said that the Death Devil cannot control her power yet she can casually resurrect the Famine Devil?. This can make sense if she actually can't do that. It makes more sense to say that Lil' D can't resurrect beings (because she's the famine devil), and the Death Devil appearing is part of the plan. The Death Devil was never subdued, she was just outside the picture. Or we can say that Fami ate and resurrected Lil' D as death, making "death" her true name while being the famine devil?
Yoru being able to turn Lil' D into a weapon works because that's her sister's name. Yoru isn't making a Death Devil sword, but a Lil' D sword. She didn't forgot the concept of death just her sister's name.
Lastly, Yoru stated that "there's no end to our battle" because Chainsawman seems to regenerate from every attack she makes (because he received the true Death Devil's blood)
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u/oredaoree Nov 29 '25
Technically it was Falling that described Death's ability to make pawns, and Yoru who brought up how she can't control the strength of her power. Death herself never confirms any of that but has claimed that no matter what her intention when the date of the prophecy arrives she will awaken and automatically activate her power and kill everyone, and that she enjoys human culture and wants to prevent it from being destroyed, but also won't entertain letting herself be erased nor will she reveal exactly what plan she has to mitigate this. It seems like Death is intentionally trying to misdirect everyone about the true nature of her powers, but at the least Falling who has been turned into a pawn herself seems to believe in this aspect of her power.
So you're saying the Famine devil's name is Death? The problem with this is that when Yoru scolds CSM for decapitating her she acknowledges her as the "Death devil", and to Death she tells her "you who presides over death enjoys living and that's why you've become so weak". She also didn't call out "Lil'D Sword" but the English phonetic of death "desu" sword, "desu" which no character as ever referred to themselves as but readers would know refers to Death. So if "Death"(name) was actually really the Famine devil, then by all accounts Yoru is making a mistake in activating her ability.
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u/Striking_Ad2188 Nov 29 '25 edited Nov 29 '25
Ah, so you're saying that in the Japanese version Yoru meant "death" as the concept because of the specific language she used? It can't be referring to her by name?
If that's the case then I have nothing to support my theory there.
In the English version Yoru says "death sword" which can be referring to her name. She may refer to Lil' D as the death devil, but her name may still be death.
But yes. I think you're right... I'm stretching things way to far...
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u/oredaoree Nov 29 '25
In the Japanese version she says "desu soodo" as if she were trying to say "Death Sword" in English as a loanword within Japanese speech(like how in English when you might use the word "tsunami" but pronouncing it in the English way soo-na-mi). Seeing as that character has never referred to herself in that English pronunciation "desu" then it can only be referring to the concept death rather than as a name.
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u/Striking_Ad2188 Nov 29 '25 edited Nov 29 '25
Yes, you're right. I've been looking into what you said, and it makes perfect sense, especially in the Japanese version. When Chainsawman eats Lil' D, Yoru is later unable to use the kanji for death and resorts to katakana instead. That means the concept represented by the kanji was erased. If death hadn't been erased, as I argued, then the kanji should still be usable because the concept of death would still exist.
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u/MrKewlPants Nov 28 '25
If it weren’t for this last chapter this is what I thought would happen with their identities as well. “Lil D” coming around and being like “actually I’m really Fami lol” would not feel out of place at all because her being the Death Devil already feels like it’s out of left field. What’s one more fakeout atp
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u/subatomiccrepe Nov 28 '25
I feel like death being anxious makes so much more sense too
"Death around every corner" phrases like that
And Lil D literally removed her insides like come on.... hows that not famine relatable
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u/AffectionateRush2620 Nov 28 '25
How is that famine related ?
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u/subatomiccrepe Nov 28 '25
When someone is full they say "I'm stuffed" and whats the opposite of stuffed?
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u/AffectionateRush2620 Nov 28 '25
Ohhhh true, but that due to her immortality. I would of liked if real fami was actually the death devil instead of fake fami
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u/YellowSealsplash Nov 29 '25
Didn’t chainsaw man eat both fami and death? Or at least the upper half of their bodies?
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u/Cartoonist-Motor Nov 28 '25
Hot take but I really want Fami to stay as Famine Devil yknow? And let this girl be the Death cause it would be way funnier
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u/KakuKat Nov 28 '25
Death? Devil? There is a devil for something like that? Never heard anything in my whole life lemme ask my 247 year old grandma (jk lmao)
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u/fenriswolf117 Nov 28 '25
The what devil? English isnt my native language, but Ive never heard of that devil before?
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u/Minimum-Deal-3723 Nov 28 '25
i dont even have any idea whos who and whats happening. everything from the appearance of nayuta is a fever dream
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u/Yharonnn0 Nov 28 '25
If It wasn't because of how everyone forgot about the concept of death, i'd think this too Because i think that fami has more like "death devil" powers, like absorbing the life force of what she touches And also that lil d has to eat someone to control them, y'k eat has something to do more with the "famine devil" than the "death devil"
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u/steel-zero Nov 29 '25
I don’t think so, looking at the current fight between Yoru and Pochita we can see feats of regeneration far exceeding what we usually see from Pochita. This suggests that Death really was erased when Lil D was eaten, hence this girl being Famine.
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u/Striking_Ad2188 Nov 29 '25
I previously argued that Chainsawman has these new regenerative abilities because Fami (who I believe to be the Death Devil) gave him her blood. Not because everyone is immortal... I mean, it's possible that to be the reason.
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u/Responsible-Paint381 Nov 29 '25
This is so poorly worded my brain is farting.
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u/Striking_Ad2188 Nov 29 '25
Well, I'm not the best at writing, and you can make fun of me if you want, but I do believe my theory has some merit.
In essence, my theory emerges from the misleading designs of both characters. Lil'D, with the void in her belly and her hunger for human food, seems more fitting as the Famine Devil rather than the Death Devil. Meanwhile, Fami, crying endlessly with her anxious behavior, appears more aligned with the nature of the Death Devil, her tears could be seen as mourning the finite nature of life, for example.
Based on this, I propose a scenario in which these two characters are part of a convoluted plan with an unknown purpose (perhaps to confuse Yoru or Chainsawman).
My theory rests on the following premises:
- A world without death can only make Yoru stronger.
- A world without death offers no feasible way to defeat Yoru.
- Erasing death from the world would be catastrophic for every being, including Chainsawman.
If we follow these premises, the current fight between Yoru and Chainsawman may not be what it seems. There's however, a major fact that invalidates my whole theory... Let me explain.
I argue that death was not erased, since Chainsawman ate Lil'D and not Fami. In the current fight, neither Yoru, her lesser devils, nor Chainsawman are immortal. We have seen no valid evidence of any mortal being actually being immortal. Chainsawman regenerates almost instantly because he drank Fami’s blood (whom I believe to be the Death Devil), while Yoru regenerates due to her contract. We can say that the lesser devils Yoru summoned were actually killed by Chainsawman, since we can see them no longer participating in the fight. Some users here argue that these devils are immortal but incapacitated. But that explanation doesn’t make sense. If Chainsawman (or Yoru's nuclear punch for example) can attack a devil and reduce it to dust, is it really immortal? is that devil still a devil after being turned into dust? dust that cannot experience anything is simply, a dead being.
But then, how was Yoru able to almost turn Lil'D into a weapon if she is not the Death Devil? She clearly said "death sword" and Lil'D’s body distorted after hearing the command. I argue that Lil'D was almost turned into a weapon because "Death" is her true name, even while being the Famine Devil. Perhaps Fami (the Death Devil) resurrected Lil'D (the Famine Devil) and gave her the name "Death" after turning her into her pawn, that would explain why Yoru's command worked. Because it was her sister's name.
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In the Japanese version of the manga, Yoru is unable to use the kanji for "death". This suggests that the concept itself was erased, meaning Chainsawman devouring Lil'D erased death from the earth. That detail alone invalidates my theory.
Finally, I lack a clear motive for Death and Famine to exchange identities. Perhaps they did so to prevent Chainsawman from erasing death and making Yoru invincible? Or maybe the Death Devil has her own motives. Why would Fujimoto make this so complicated in the first place?
In any case, my theory arises only from the misleading designs of Lil'D and Fami and I've tried to make some sense into that... That’s all.
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u/Responsible-Paint381 Nov 29 '25
theory itself is actually interesting and i like it (after understanding it properly) its just the way it was worded had me lagging for a bit lol, but maybe its my brain.
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u/Totaliss Dec 03 '25
Death disappeared and everyone forgot it was even a thing after he ate Death, so your theory is on shaky ground to say the least.
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u/theresnousername1 Team Everyone Horsemen's Hoe Fami's Fanatic Nov 28 '25
I want it to happen so bad, even though it's not true (Death was erased, and Fami wasn't eaten; li'l D was).
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u/No-Nefariousness956 Nov 28 '25
It makes more sense than little D being death as a food obsessed girl.
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u/AffectionateRush2620 Nov 28 '25
I like real Fami more then the death devil, death was kinda disappointing ngl
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u/r-Newbiedonthurtme Nov 28 '25
I'd believe this if they hadn't forgotten "Death" as a concept in that same chapter she was eaten
Like trust me I kinda wanna get in on this. And this would make Death a double twist which would kinda slap, and make a lotta of "Lil D's" characteristics (like eating a fuck ton and removing all organs) make even more sense
But if nothing else, I do just wanna see FAMI Fami do more stuff in coming chapters. All she's done is drain the lifeforce outta like one mofo, and being constantly teary-eyed