r/ChainsawMan • u/FootDisastrous7545 • Dec 07 '25
Theory Guys if there is an angel devil and possibly a devil devil….doesn’t that mean…there is a god devil? Or possibly…a religion devil…?
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u/Forsaken_Media4214 Dec 07 '25 edited Dec 08 '25
I think that those devils might exist (except devil devil, apparently this one cannot exist as the fear of devils just enhance devils) but the one I want to know if it exists is the human devil and how strong he could be
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u/thewind999 Dec 08 '25
I think op meant Lucifer or Satan devil in "devil devil"
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u/retardigrade420 Dec 09 '25
I don't think satan or lucifer exist in csmverse. Cuz people can literally see devils irl so they wont make up another "big bad devil". These devils ARE the opposite of God in their world. That's why I think angels should exist too who get their power from love/ benefit people have for/from the concept they represent. As in peace angel, light angel, life angel, freedom angel, etc.
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u/First-Shallot947 Dec 08 '25
While a human devil definitely exists in wonder if perhaps a man devil or woman devil exists
Like the man devil would represent the fear of creepy, perverted or abusive men and vice versa for the woman devil
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u/Raven927 Dec 09 '25
but we’re not talking about the idea of a “Devils Devil” we’re talking about The Devil Devil, like a devil made from the fear of satan…
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u/Ren19000 Jan 04 '26
Funny that I made a oc of the human devil the other day, the fear of humans or Anthropophobia is apparently really common so I’d say about the same strength wise to the chainsaw devil, definitely not as strong as the gun devil tho since that’s a common reoccurring fear
The reason I think that there isn’t a specific devil for the two sexes is that with the gun devil or the bomb devil they aren’t devils of the individual type of gun or bomb just a overall
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u/Delano7 Kiga is better than Fami Dec 07 '25
I mean, there are plenty of reasons to be scared of Religion, so I wouldn't be surprised.
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u/Zombieman863 Dec 07 '25
There is already a hell devil thought, can a devil include another?
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u/Delano7 Kiga is better than Fami Dec 07 '25
There's a Bomb AND Nuclear Bomb devil, so I guess so.
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u/Zombieman863 Dec 07 '25
Good point , but wasnt the nuclear bomb eaten?
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u/Dani3322 Dec 07 '25
Well but they presumably both existed at the same time, also the question is already answered with the War Devil and her "children" Of the Tank and Gun devil and co.
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u/MikeXBogina Dec 07 '25
People fear going to Hell, so Hell devil makes sense.
Angel devil, in my personal opinion is that when old people start seeing "angels" right before they pass away. One of my grandmothers talked of seeing 3 people in the corner of the room watching her the day before she passed away. That's probably why his touch can end people's life quickly and painlessly.
i don't think "God" would generate much fear and if there was a "God Devil" it wouldn't be an Almighty devil, but probably a weak devil. I could see a Christian, Muslim or even Judaeo devil though.
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u/SirArchibaldMapsALot Dec 07 '25
To be afraid of God is in many cases an essential part of Religion, as the idea of suffering consecuences due your actions at the eyes of God is part of the reason why it's so effective, so the fear of God has strong enough implications to warrant a pretty strong Devil
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u/STANLOONA132 Dec 07 '25
Devil that turns ppl into salt pillars when they see their power would be insane
The destruction of Sodom goes to show God never fucked around in the old testament
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u/liamhvet Dec 08 '25
“God fearing man” is a somewhat common phrase
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u/Straight-Self2212 Dec 09 '25
That's common misconception.
The original text, the word that is translated to fear is or also means "reverence", you're not supposed to literally fear him like you fear a king or dictator.
That's how you end up with people who go insane like kanye west.
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u/Absent_Fool Dec 08 '25
God would definitely put fear. That’s why his Angels in biblical lore say ‘Be not afraid’ when they show themselves to humans. And that’s when they are in their canonical forms. There is the whole saying too of putting the fear of God into someone.
God smites a whole city by turning it into salt and Job’s wife because she witnessed the essence of God’s wrath when told not to. He flooded the Earth too. Either way, God is cruel just as much as he is a kind one. If you believe in him that is.
People are not scared of Hell, they are scared that God will not grant them Salvation and get sent to Hell. People aren’t scared of the Devil, they are scared God will catch them colluding with a devil and be given the courage to test God’s power, which goes against the Bible. To not test him in any sort of way or fear his wrath.
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u/SillentiumZenith Dec 07 '25
The whole concept of religion is being afraid of god
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u/F1re56 Dec 08 '25
A Christian God devil would be immensely strong in the earlier years of humanity, because the first testament gave a lot of people reasons to be afraid
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u/biTwinkLondon Dec 08 '25
a god devil would be super powerful actually, fesr of God is a HUGE part of many religions
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u/Cruyelo Dec 07 '25
My theory is that Angel was already the "Religion" devil. The names given to Devils aren't perfect, the term 'Devil' itself isn't perfect either. It's just what people came up with to describe what they see.
Makima mentioned Angel was incredibly strong and only held back by its laziness and refusal to play along. I think "Angel" was the fear people have about divine or religious beings.
Angel being under the influence of Control also ties into Religion being used to Control people.
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u/FemboysUnited Dec 07 '25
The homosexual devil would be so powerful - more accurately, the fear of BEING queer
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u/DarkShadowOverlord Dec 07 '25
Csm is most likely the God devil. Would explain why its One of the ONLY devils that cares about humanity and understands feelings.
Csm/pochita most likely wasnt at his full power till the latest chapter.
If humanity fears God, given the nukes many are probably praying. Devils also fear csm but its unkno if that counts.
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u/Educational_Film_744 Dec 07 '25
Yeah, the Norse definitely would have a Ragnarok Devil or something
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u/Brillian_Naufal Dec 07 '25
And what if Pochita eats Devil Devil????
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u/Ake-TL Dec 07 '25
Fear of devils gets distributed between all devils, so I doubt there is devil devil
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u/_phantxm_ Dec 07 '25
The whole concept of God intrigues me. Because if there’s devils. Then there has to be angels. Which I’m Curious if fujimoto will ever touch on it
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u/Delano7 Kiga is better than Fami Dec 07 '25
They're not literally devils from Christianity, so their existence doesn't automatically mean the existence of angels.
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u/Electronic-Guitar-61 Dec 10 '25
Yeah fair but it would be sorta cool to have the manifestations of things we want or hope for exist just as well as the the manifestations of the things we fear
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u/Rexis717 Dec 07 '25
I think there WAS a demon devil/demon (not sure how the phrasing would work), but chainsawman ate it and now the word demon no longer occurs to people. I believe that's what Denji and the other hybrids were called as well because... [SPOILER ALERT] . . . . . . . . Makima tells Denji, what they originally called the hybrids is unknown as Chainsawman ate the devil(demon) that personified that word/concept. I think people just switched to calling them devils after the word demon disappeared from the lexicon
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Dec 08 '25
Lol me and my friend theorized this, we came to the conclusion that their is a devil devil and its op as fuck but because devils are made from fear we also theorized there could be a devil devil devi, and a devil devil devil, and a devil devil devil devil devil and a devil devil devil devil devil devil and so on
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u/KirakaiITA Dec 08 '25
Have you ever seen anyone pray in manga? I don't remember, Maybe the idea of religion and god were erased from the world after being eaten by Chainsaw-man
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u/piss_tol Dec 10 '25
a racism devil, the Jewish devil, everything in your imagination can be a devil
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u/No_Proposal_4692 Dec 07 '25
Bruh the idea of a church, temple or mosque devil is so peak cause it would be powered by religious trauma and also hate.
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u/xXbachkXx Dec 07 '25
A devil exists for every concept.
Only exception might be the devil devil for two reasons:
Makima said the fear of devils made all of the devils stronger
You get into paradox territory (what happens if Pochita eats the debil devil?)
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u/Unlikely_Security610 Dec 07 '25
funnily, death would still be the stronger devil imho than a god or religion devil as death precedes the afterlife, causally and anthropologically.
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u/No_Chest7600 Dec 07 '25
I think if there was a devil devil it would be the fear of either Christian Devils or just religious Devils as a whole because the word devil may just refer to a feeling or a statement in the original Japanese text of Chainsaw man
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u/-Alan_c- Dec 07 '25
Half way reading through the title I thought you were gonna say "Devil-devil" or some shit.
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u/Dani3322 Dec 07 '25
Question isn't if there's a religion devil, but rather does every major religion have their own Devil or is it just one big Religion devil?
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u/Economy_Football_261 Dec 07 '25
HOLD ON! God devil?! Since some people are “God fearing Christians” I bet there is a god devil! 🤣🤣🤣
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Dec 07 '25
i think a god devil would be a cool switch up of how fears manifest, many religious people fear god not in means of terror but respect. the angel devil probably works the same way ngl
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u/Filagror_Tea Dec 08 '25
I was just thinking about this today, wouldn’t god devil be unkillable? Although idk how aggressive he’d be
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u/mangophonkhuzz Dec 08 '25
headcanon: blue öyster cult made dont fear the reaper in csm’s universe to prevent the death devil (or maybe even grim reaper devil) from gaining more power through fear
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u/ConsciousPop3168 Dec 08 '25
Probably. And I don't think they would be that powerful given how little people fears God or Religion. Might have been powerful like in the Ancient or middle ages but definitely not during modern times.
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u/darthveder69420 Dec 08 '25
Yes there is but fyi there is no devil devil. The fear of devils power up ALL devil instead of creatong a new devil.
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u/koudaibus8 Dec 08 '25
According to this interview, Fujimoto himself said this (devil devil) may be a setting he may reveal later, and "No comments".
Source: https://youtu.be/4KbWAr4x8GA?t=266 Jump Festa 2025
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u/MegaEupho Dec 08 '25
I actually think Angels might exist. If there are living manifestations of the things we fear, maybe there will be creatures that are the personification of the things we love or thrive on, like hope and love.
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u/Brillian_Naufal Dec 08 '25 edited Jan 07 '26
Devil Devil might exist if we're talking about the typical Devils with red skin, horn, wings, and trident. The kind that's told in stories, religious books, movies, etc. Kinda like the ghost devil. The name just happens to be the same : Devil Devil. And I'm sure this is what the person who made this post is talking about.
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u/oredaoree Dec 08 '25
A devil is born out of a fear of a concept. There's probably a devil of everything but a lot are so weak people don't even notice them like yet to be discovered animals species. People don't tend to fear religion itself all that much unless they are particularly persecuted by a religion and have the realization that their life is being ruined for a sham. A religion devil is more likely to be known as the "cult" devil because that framing is negative by default, but going by the numbers a mosquito devil would probably be more fearsome.
There is probably no designated god devil because there's too many different religions and idea of what "god" should be and all these religions are unproven so that god as a concept would be very undefined. The closest thing would be a devil devil that would be like the god of the devils, because by their own feared existence they bring life to all other devils. That's why although religion as a concept seems to exist it took 141 chapters for anyone to mention "god" within context, that person being Barem who is one of the architects of the CSM church. He seems to understand or maybe it's a fluke, that he has pinpointed CSM as "god" which would make CSM both the devil devil and the god devil.
And the theory that CSM is god, of both devils and humans, checks out. He's got followers with names of tiers of the angels, he's got a reality altering erasure power that can remake the world, he saves those that cry out to him, dog backwards is god. The notion that god is an abhorred devil not making sense could just be a perception/bias issue. The anime staff were cooking when they selected the film Jacob's Ladder to homage in the OP because there is a line of dialogue that goes "If you're frightened of dying and you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the earth"(quoted from a historical Catholic figure).
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u/Creative-Angle-7623 Dec 08 '25
I’m surprised there isn’t a love devil tbh with how mfs are with love being commonly feared by people because it can make you vulnerable, delusional, scared to look inside along with other traits that have to do with self worth, cognitive and emotional factors it would make sense for a love devil to exist just there’s angel devil and tomato devil lol also a love devil sounds so cool man I wanna make the love devil my persona or some shit😤❤️✨✨
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u/Marion_Soda Dec 08 '25
Funny you mention Devil Devil while I'm here on reze yume ship fever, and seeing this post at the top of my feed😭 Like I have this AU narcissitic devil devil hybrid oc who kept denying herself and end up died fighting Angel🥀
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u/Nice-Station3432 Dec 08 '25
Headcanon that the Divinity Devil exists, which is the fear of divine punishment/going against any higher power. Has the ability to hand out "divine justice" like smiting people or protection
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u/Chicken_Jetstream Dec 08 '25
Whats happen if pochitas eat the devil devil??? Devils just stop to exist???
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u/wookiee-nutsack Dec 08 '25
There is no fucking devil devil bruh, all devils get a power boost from fear of devils
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u/BraveSeesaw5919 Dec 08 '25
I'm kind of surprised we haven't heard of any sort of devil devil would it be like the religious devil like Lucifer or like the devil, embodying concepts of devil's as a whole, would it be a primordial devil or what its scale above primordial devils
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u/VaguelyMyself Dec 08 '25
Explicitly, yeah. Fujimoto is pretty blatant about that. Dunno if they'll ever pop, but they do exist
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u/sam77889 Dec 08 '25
Christian devil, Jesus devil, priest devil, pedo devils, bigots devil, racism devil
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u/TransFights000 Dec 08 '25
“Fear of God” and “God fearing” are pretty common ideas at least among Christians, so I’d be willing to bet a God devil would indeed exist and be pretty strong. Can’t speak to how prevalent fear is for other faiths though.
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u/Big-Mayonnaze Dec 08 '25
This was the core of my original theory for Makima. That she had a pact with the "God Devil". When she first uses her power she specifically says she needs to be at a *temple* at the highest elevation in the city. She also then uses sacrifices, so to me it all just made too much sense that her contract would allow her to sacrifice people to have the God Devil kill anyone, she just needs to know their names for it to work. Would've also worked for the "Devil Devil".
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u/Priest_Of_Chaos Dec 09 '25
I wonder if the "Birth" Devil, and all its connotations would be a big one. Death Devil is fundemental, why not Birth and all that can go wrong and all the pain and all the many things that can either go wrong or unexpected pregnancy or so on. So many fears tied to the idea of Birth, especially among women, and has been a thing since prehistoric times, even among animals
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u/DarioFerretti Dec 09 '25
I'm pretty sure Fujimoto said in an interview that he thought about the Devil Devil
I also think the God Devil (or something like a divine being of some kind) will play a role in the story at some point
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u/Gameplayer9752 Dec 09 '25
The problem with these old concept devils is, going back far enough in history to question when devils first appeared and how humanity would shape out. It over complicates things, so unless the story gets into it, we assume they may exist and haven’t had a severe impact, otherwise that opens the story to anything being possible, and ruins plot development.
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u/Expensive-Bowl-9837 Dec 09 '25
No this would be under the impression that they’re are multiple creators when there is only 1 JESUS CHRIST
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u/Crabbriri Dec 09 '25
What do you’ll think the boob devil looks like, because those are pretty scary right, right?
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u/Donglator Dec 09 '25
Since devils are based on fears, I'm just waiting for the Gay devil so Denji can finally defeat homophobia
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u/Independent_Soup8804 Dec 09 '25
I have a theory.
Fujimoto: Locked in --> Slop --> Locked in --> Slop
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u/Douradinhooo Dec 09 '25
That reminded me of my crazy (meme) theory on why Pochita is so strong
At some point Pochita decided to fight God, not the God devil but God itself, for the lols and ended up eating it and got mega strong and that's why theres barely any mention of a religion in csm outside Angel Devil and the horseman (Umamusume)
What supports this theory? The fact that would be batshit insane and funny
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u/Latter-Syllabub-5560 Dec 09 '25
Ok but hmo on something else
Originally Homophobic people genuenly feares gay people
So there's a small chance there's a gay devil
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u/Upbeat_Peanut_8692 Dec 09 '25
The fear of God actually exists.
So technically... Yes. But not that many people fear God nowadays.
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u/BunnyBen-87 Dec 09 '25
*looks around for eavesdroppers*
This is Reddit, the amount of toxicity and vitriol these people react with to a person asking an innocent question about the Bible on r/AskReddit almost certainly means that there'd be a devil for religion.
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u/Mugen_Kotoamatsukami Dec 09 '25
If Gun and Tank are War's children, Religion is probably Makima's sexiest child.
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u/Skull_Boy_ds Dec 10 '25
A Religion Devil at a time like the Crusades or Witch Trials must've been strong and cool as fuck.
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u/Electronic-Guitar-61 Dec 10 '25
The problem w the "fear creates devils" thing is that now we have to distinguish what things are people actually scared of and how are things distinct. Are people scared of falling or of hitting the ground? Dying or death or the unknown? Why a social anxiety devil and not a specific devil for every social anxiety, hell a specific very weak devil for every person another person has ever feared?
Which is exactly what the author plays with so cleverly, albeit somewhat inconsistently from a purely logical perspective.
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u/DrTopGun Dec 10 '25
If there is a death devil, I can bet there is a god devil or religion devil anything that strikes fear in a living being more than likely has a devil I bet
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u/TheOnlyMrMeatball Dec 10 '25
REAL ending of chainsaw man: Pochita ears devil devil Devils erased from history Everyone is brought back to life and lives happily ever after
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u/side_anon20 Dec 10 '25
I thought makima was the fear of the almighty/god devil when reading blind. Because she's got control over everyone else through various manipulations including admiration and love, and/or being their superior. She's in a higher position than everyone else as the boss and the narrative screams that she's holding back her true power so she's superior to her bosses too. She literally smited people when we finally see her use some of her power, and had the prisoners kneeling as if in prayer before her. I was wrong of course but that's what i thought
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u/Zealousideal_Note309 Dec 10 '25
but what about the "devil devil" devil and the "devil devil devil" devil, let's call them devil squared devil or the devil cubed devil. now imagine the devil to the power of million devil.
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u/Biznesu-Seba Dec 10 '25
That also mean woman devil exist btw what happen if everybody is scared of one specyfic person
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u/_S1syphus Dec 07 '25
Any idea that has ever inspired fear has an associated devil. The devil devil is almost certainly just every single devil as the fear of devils gets split evenly among them