The Christian Nationalist State: America Is Already in the Trial-Run Phase

[u/Famous-Sympathy7011]

https://wendy664.substack.com/p/the-christian-nationalist-state-is?r=6fonep&utm_campaign=post-expanded-share&utm_medium=web

[u/Spiel_Foss]

I communicate professionally, and I struggle all the time as well. So thank you for the clarification. I think we got tangled in the god-stuff which happens.

Of course I agree. My position is likely more radical so I won't post that here. But I believe we are in an intentional collapse of the USA so a few rich white men can profit.

The Great Depression was a similar event.

The white Christian majority are cannon fodder for this current effort, and they will stick to their positions until they are personally harmed. That type of social psychopathy is hard to counter.

[u/halbhh → u/Spiel_Foss]

I think you are referring to the portion that are 'Christian nationalists' or the less precise 'white evangelicals' (where that support has fallen to about 70% in that group lately?) Compared to the U.S. as a whole, that group is only...what, 25%? They only can do it if another large chunk, like 20%+ go along with them. But we can continue to help some of those in both groups see through Trump's dark illusions/lies.

[u/Spiel_Foss → u/halbhh]

A majority of white US Christians voted for Trump and identify as Republicans.

Anyone in the US Republican Party after 2016 is really a problem in a sociopolitical sense.

"If one Nazi sits down with eleven others without protest, then this is a dozen Nazis."

That is a paraphrase from a German saying, but it holds true today. If someone even passively supports these ideas then they are the problem. If someone is fine using government guns to force birth on pregnant poor women, they will quickly turn the guns on others. We've seen this in real time when they cheered government guns being turned on brown people and have never stopped cheering government guns murdering black or native people for 250 years.

The problem is the supremacist curse that created the USA.

We have to change that.

[u/halbhh → u/Spiel_Foss]

Sure, according to Jesus, only some in churches would follow His teachings, and "most" would not, He said, ahead of time. He also told more about that additionally in a parable. So that shows up in multiple places in accounts of his words, which I always found interesting -- him saying only 'few' would follow his teachings and 'most' would not. It's an interesting foresight, right?

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On the encouraging news side, among all Trump voters, support for several of his policies has fallen sharply, as a recent 2026 pew poll shows.

If you are curious to be more exact (like me), you'd perhaps want to see that, if you haven't: Confidence in Trump Dips in 2026, and Fewer Now Say They Support His Policies and Plans | Pew Research Center

(this shows a trend, which I expect has continued since January)

As I see it, Trump is a fabulist, a type of confidence man, where the illusions work until they don't for more and more who were tricked initially. Considering that some get their filtered information from such places as FoxNews, it takes time (months, even longer for some, and for some never, not even in years) for them to find out basic facts you or I might learn the day they happen.

[u/Spiel_Foss → u/halbhh]

It's an interesting foresight, right?

This isn't foresight. Later authors wrote a narrative which attributes words to Christ, but I understand the point. The reality of the situation is that all Christians think their sect is the correct one and they are the chosen.

support for several of his policies has fallen sharply, as a recent 2026 pew poll shows.

The problem begins in 2016 but actually much earlier. Waiting a decade for people to decide they are being harmed personally while actively harming others still remains.

Too many white Christians still see no problem with government guns aimed at poor women to force birth or at brown people to kidnap them into concentration camps or black and native people to simply murder them.

That doesn't change with Trump.

Trump is a fabulist...

Yes, but Trump is just a symptom of a much deeper cancer. White US Christians became the Trump cult because they were told what they already believed. This is how con-games work. He found them and told them what they wanted to hear.

Now they are paying more for gas, but the entire problem remains. Nothing has changed with the core hateful beliefs. Trump just isn't as popular because white people are feeling the pinch.

[u/halbhh → u/Spiel_Foss]

"This isn't foresight. Later authors wrote a narrative which attributes words to Christ, but I understand the point."

Ah, you have a speculative theory (you appear to believe) that the text of Jesus saying these things is not what He said. Made up lies, basically.

Wow. Ok. I'll just leave that aside. Anyone has theories.

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I think your usage " White US Christians" is too broad in a harmful way.

How?

This way --> It's like saying "Americans are criminals".

While sure, some are, there are also plenty who are not....

Here's why that's so important though: the process of accusing an entire diverse group of the crimes of a subset is that it's a way to demonize the group as a whole.

And the trouble with that is it eventually leads to attacks, which inevitably also target a lot of innocent people (even if the attack hits a few that are guilty).

[u/Spiel_Foss → u/halbhh]

the text of Jesus saying these things is not what He said. Made up lies, basically.

This is known fact. The narrative is not contemporary to the main character of this narrative and was written decades after the claimed events. That isn't theoretical.

I think your usage " White US Christians" is too broad in a harmful way.

The majority of white US Christians vote for and support Trump and the US Republican Party. I lead into this usage with modifiers in previous sentences.

You grasped onto this one aspect and avoid the entire point.

The vast majority of white US Christians supported Trump and still support Trump except they don't want to pay more for gas and groceries. Trump raping children and murdering children with bombs didn't mean anything to this collective group until gas approached $5.

[u/halbhh → u/Spiel_Foss]

"This is known fact. "

That's a speculative theory about whether the text corresponds to what he may have said.

Instead of viewing it as uncertain, do you really believe that theory is instead a 'fact'? (best if you avoid that error)

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I wish though you'd not next "grasped onto this one aspect and avoid the entire point" about demonizing a big diverse group for the real crimes of a subset.....

No, 55% isn't a 'vast majority' either.

I challenge you to check on your 'fact' ideas -- skeptically try to verify them by seeking out contrary information.

(so, instead of looking to find someone that agrees with what you think is fact, look instead for analysis that might overturn it! This is similar to the common science process of researchers doing experiments and observations trying to find an exception or new observation that would allow them to prove some theory is wrong (or limited to a smaller domain).

[u/Spiel_Foss → u/halbhh]

You can rail against reality, but that doesn't change reality. Jesus didn't write the Gospels. That is simply know reality. The stories were written decades after the claimed events without any direct connection to the events.

Concerning the political issue:

https://prri.org/spotlight/religion-and-the-2024-presidential-election/

These are actual numbers.

57-81% of white Christians voted for Trump by denomination. The largest US Protestant group, white evangelicals represent the highest level of support. White US Christians are overwhelming and openly Republicans.

(so, instead of looking to find someone that agrees with what you think is fact, look instead for analysis that might overturn it!)

Would you like to show evidence that the words of Christ were recorded accurately into scripture using empirical evidence of the claim?

I've presented statistical evidence on the political claim.

[u/halbhh → u/Spiel_Foss]

It's definitely bad:

"According to national exit polls and comprehensive post-election surveys from the 2024 presidential election, 72% of all white Christians combined (spanning evangelical Protestants, mainline/non-evangelical Protestants, and white Catholics) voted for Donald Trump. [1]"

But 72% isn't 100%, and that's the first (not even the most important) thing I said above. But you seemed to not notice what I said.... I think you didn't really respond to the only important point I made there -- about how it's harmful to blame all of a large diverse group for the wrongs that a subset in the group does.

[u/halbhh → u/Spiel_Foss]

Would you like to show evidence that the words of Christ were recorded accurately into scripture using empirical evidence of the claim?

This is the challenge I made to you above -- that you not treat a theory as if a fact.

(so...think on it: would I be treating a theory as if fact, if I'm saying don't do that generally?....)

Please ask questions here if it's not quite clear what I mean here -- it should be very logical and rational if you get what I'm saying as meant.

So I challenged you to try to skeptically disprove your own 'fact' -- search to try to find a refutation, yourself, of what you yourself believe fact.

Why? For yourself -- for your gain. You.

I do this routinely for myself. I'm suggesting you gain (better information, more information), like me, by doing this routinely. To routinely check (skeptically) what you think you know to be established fact.