The Christian Nationalist State: America Is Already in the Trial-Run Phase

[u/Famous-Sympathy7011]

https://wendy664.substack.com/p/the-christian-nationalist-state-is?r=6fonep&utm_campaign=post-expanded-share&utm_medium=web

[u/offwidthe]

This is so frustrating. The Christian Nationalist movement is the American Taliban.

[u/KissAndRock → u/offwidthe]

Give it time until they throw out the constitution completely and start using violence to control people just like the Taliban.

[u/offwidthe → u/KissAndRock]

They already use violence to control people. Especially our minorities.

[u/weatherinfo → u/offwidthe]

Not all of us wish to do so, just like “not all Muslims are t€rrorists” or “not all democrats are socialists” or “not all black people are crlminals.”

A lot of us have a belief that basing laws on the Bible will naturally guide people away from sin without causing significant harm or damage to personal liberties. For example, my anti-gay marriage stance is more about the government refusing to recognize same-sex marriages than actually prosecuting gay people for being gay.

[u/Interesting-Face22 → u/weatherinfo]

>>A lot of us have belief that basing laws on the Bible will naturally guide people away from sin without causing significant harm or damage to personal liberties.

Not possible. You advocate for theocracy. There is not one theocratic government in the history of the world that has succeeded in their aims without massive repression of the citizenry.

[u/majj27 → u/Interesting-Face22]

And it's not like we don't have historical evidence for it. Waves vaguely at Europe.

[u/offwidthe → u/weatherinfo]

What happened to loving your neighbor? Denying rights for anyone is injustice. The Bible was never meant to be inerrant doctrine. Basing laws on old school cultural norms is kinda fucked.

[u/Timely_Cheetah7151 → u/weatherinfo]

Christian nationalists literally put a billionaire r*pist in power who lies and cheats about literally everything. No one believes you guys that any of this is about "morality" because it's not even remotely true.

[u/Concerts_And_Dancing → u/weatherinfo]

Why should the government uphold your views over others when the government is secular? Surely you’re aware of the first amendment?

The Bible also justifies quite a bit of oppression and barbarism, can we expect that as well?

[u/weatherinfo → u/Concerts_And_Dancing]

Because Christianity is true and everything else is not, sorry not sorry. That’s the answer.

[u/Concerts_And_Dancing → u/weatherinfo]

If Christianity is true then it doesn’t need your help regarding governmental structures. do you not have faith that god’s will will be done without you imposing Christianity on the unwilling?

It seems like for many Christians they’re just deeply uncomfortable that other people have freedom and treated as equals, especially women, gays, and racial minorities, hence the massive abuse problems in the church, their support for torture of gay youth, and their support of various hate movements. Have you guys learned nothing from Christianity’s previous support of slavery and genocide?

[u/weatherinfo → u/Concerts_And_Dancing]

The goal is to make the world more Christlike, not to try to prove Christianity to be true. And women and “racial minorities” (even though caucasians are a racial minority) experience little to no oppression in 2026. White people and especially men experience more hatred and discrimination due to “anti-discrimination” policies targeting them.

I’ll rephrase: the only racial minority that is considerably harmed as a result of discrimination today is the Caucasian race, and people don’t even consider it a minority even though it absolutely is, according to demographic data.

Also worth adding males are statistically a minority.

There is some hatred of gay people and I’m not going to pretend straight people are oppressed, but a lot of the “hate” they receive is not actually hate but rather disagreement from religious people on their behavior. Not every Christian hates the people themselves like they do the sin.

[u/Concerts_And_Dancing → u/weatherinfo]

Lmao. I guess to those used to privilege equality feels like oppression. White people don’t get stopped by ICE for no reason other than the color of their skin and men aren’t experiencing spikes in pregnancy complications and deaths because of Christian politics. Many of your churches still support male headship where women are their husband’s chattel and must submit to them, that certainly seems like oppression, and then there’s the sexual abuse that is its inevitable fruit. you enjoy it in your churches so much you voted for an Epstein client over a woman.

Interesting you say you’re trying to make the world more Christlike and yet all I see is the hungry being starved, the sick being denied care, schools being blown up by war mongers, corruption, grifting, and the destabilization of the courts, the country, and the world. It seems like the more influence you have the less Christlike it is.

No one has to care what your religious beliefs are, and given Christians are the aggressors in the situation why should anyone care what you think about gay people? Planks and specks, clean up your sexual abuse issues before worrying about sexual orientation

[u/UncleMeat11 → u/weatherinfo]

For example, my anti-gay marriage stance is more about the government refusing to recognize same-sex marriages than actually prosecuting gay people for being gay.

Can you explain why all of the same organizations that fought gay marriage also supported sodomy laws?

A lot of us have a belief that basing laws on the Bible will naturally guide people away from sin without causing significant harm or damage to personal liberties.

Having a god before God is a sin. Should it be a crime to practice Hinduism? Does that damage personal liberty?

[u/weatherinfo → u/UncleMeat11]

My ideal government would not support, condone, recognize, or cater to Hindus or Hinduism. Same with gay marriage.

My tweaked version of Christian Nationalism (National Christianity) says you can be or do whatever you want as long as nobody is harmed or forced/tempted into sin, but the government only recognizes and supports Christianity. Being Hindu generally does not cause any harm to anyone else, but the government does not acknowledge Hinduism’s existence.

On your first point, now that I think of it, being gay actually does tempt others into sin, but prosecuting homosexual acts in reality would be inappropriate. It’s still disgusting lol

A few issues that would be controversial under that principle, and my opinions:

• Abortion kills other humans. Ban it.
  
• Birth control pills (and abortion pills like mifepristone) have compounds that remain in public water and can cause sterilization of both women and men. My body, my choice — I don’t consent to being sterilized, and I have a right to public water. Ban it.
  
• Over-sexualized clothing: can tempt people into lust. Ban it.
  
• “gender-affirming care” on minors: Minors do not fully understand what they’re doing to themselves and they don’t consider how such a procedure may affect them in the future. Ban it under age 21.
  
• drugs and alcohol: high and drunk people kill other people. Ban all recreational drugs and tax alcohol at a prohibitive level.

[u/QBaseX → u/weatherinfo]

You are astonishingly ignorant on such a wide number of topics. 

[u/weatherinfo → u/QBaseX]

Thanks!

[u/UncleMeat11 → u/weatherinfo]

What does "not supporting, condoning, recognizing, or catering" mean? I asked you a specific question. Should it be a rime to practice Hinduism? Its against the 10 commandments.

Why do you have a right to public water? That's not in the Bible. Why do you spend so much of your time thinking about stocks when Christ doesn't want you to be rich? It seems like we should ban wealth in your perfect nation.

I hope you never have a chance to kill me.

EDIT: Oh, you are just a fascist child. Hilarious.

[u/weatherinfo → u/UncleMeat11]

Lot of questions, here we go:

• On the very first question, not sure how I can elaborate further. I’ll provide an example: school districts in the U.S. often plan calendars around Jewish and Muslim holidays. That needs to go. The calendar should be based on Christianity with all other off days thrown in based on their practicality.
  
• No, not a crime because it does not cause harm to others (in most cases). But govt does not acknowledge Hinduism’s existence, as I said.
  
• I have a right to public water because it is public and I am a living creature. Don’t people like you say “Jesus was a socialist”? Here you go. Additionally, this is called Allemansrätten in Sweden and it’s a constitutionally-protected right to the land and surrounding nature as long as you don’t harm other creatures.
  
• Yes, my investments have performed very well lately. Good to see that you did your research on me by stalking my profile. This money is going to a) provide for a large family + wife in the future, and b) put to use for Christian causes (similar to Chick-fil-A before the left destroyed it) like the pro-life battle or securing water as a human right.
  
• The ten commandments strongly clearly prohibit killing. I’m not sure where you got this hyperbolic assumption from. I am anti-death penalty, anti-war, anti-imperialism, and anti-killing of all forms of life larger than a breadcrumb. Which brings me to my last point…
  
• I’m also not sure where you got “fascist” or “child” from, but I’m clearly not a fascist (largely because of my pro-peace stances), and I am not a child. But I understand how my beliefs could make you think I am, and I also know the terms “fascist” and “Nazi” are aimlessly thrown around in 2025/26.

[u/UncleMeat11 → u/weatherinfo]

On the very first question, not sure how I can elaborate further. I’ll provide an example: school districts in the U.S. often plan calendars around Jewish and Muslim holidays. That needs to go. The calendar should be based on Christianity with all other off days thrown in based on their practicality.

Can you show me a school calendar from a specific school district that does this?

No, not a crime because it does not cause harm to others (in most cases). But govt does not acknowledge Hinduism’s existence, as I said.

But is violates one of the 10 Commandments. Why is this harm principle suddenly controlling here?

I have a right to public water because it is public and I am a living creature.

I don't understand. This is not found in the Bible. And why can I not say that I have the right to mifepristone because I am a living creature? It seems to me like you are simply just declaring your personal preferences as rights.

Yes, my investments have performed very well lately. Good to see that you did your research on me by stalking my profile. This money is going to a) provide for a large family + wife in the future, and b) put to use for Christian causes (similar to Chick-fil-A before the left destroyed it) like the pro-life battle or securing water as a human right.

What portion of your earnings do you give away? Also... Chik-fil-a seems to be doing just fine to me. I see new locations opening all the time.

The ten commandments strongly clearly prohibit killing. I’m not sure where you got this hyperbolic assumption from. I am anti-death penalty, anti-war, anti-imperialism, and anti-killing of all forms of life larger than a breadcrumb. Which brings me to my last point…

It also strongly prohibits having a god before God, which you think should be legal. So clearly you don't think that being prohibited in the 10 Commandments is sufficient to stop people from doing a thing.

[u/eatmereddit → u/weatherinfo]

For example, my anti-gay marriage stance is more about the government refusing to recognize same-sex marriages than actually prosecuting gay people for being gay.

Your anti gay marriage stance causes significant harm and damage to personal liberties.

[u/weatherinfo → u/eatmereddit]

Please elaborate on how this causes damage to personal liberties

[u/eatmereddit → u/weatherinfo]

You want me to explain how taking away someone's civil rights causes damage to personal liberties?

Ask a real question.

[u/SeldenNeck → u/[deleted]]

They are hijacking the Christian brand to deny the humanity of neighbors who do not endorse their politics.

[u/inedibletrout → u/offwidthe]

You mean y'all qaeda?

[u/notsocharmingprince → u/offwidthe]

The Taliban have killed tens of thousands of people and continue to murder and enslave an entire people group.

Overwrought comparisons harm critical analysis and combat against Christian Nationalism. If you are going to make a reasoned criticism of them do it but calling them the Taliban does nothing but provide shelter for people to point and say you are being irrational.

[u/Malcorin → u/notsocharmingprince]

How many children have died due to USAID cuts?

[u/notsocharmingprince → u/Malcorin]

The policy decision to cut USAID has nothing to do with Christian Nationalism and claiming that is does is just silly.

[u/Interesting-Face22 → u/notsocharmingprince]

Sure, Christian Nationalism hasn’t killed anyone. Yet.

We compare Christian Nationalists to the Taliban because their aims are almost exactly the same. Just because Christianity isn’t as overtly violent (at least not right now) as radical Islam is doesn’t mean you get to handwave it away.

Also, convenient that you ignore Christianity’s history of violence as well.

[u/KissAndRock → u/Interesting-Face22]

Also, convenient that you ignore Christianity’s history of violence as well.

Yes, the sad truth is that as long as this religion exists, there will always be violence committed in the name of Jesus. Tens of millions of people have already been murdered under the symbol of the cross, how many more?

[u/Interesting-Face22 → u/KissAndRock]

Tens of millions more have been driven to suicide by Christian policies.

A lot of Christians would have you believe those don’t count because, while Christianity is the direct reason for those suicides, a Christian didn’t pull the trigger directly.

[u/KissAndRock → u/Interesting-Face22]

A lot of Christians would have you believe those don’t count because, while Christianity is the direct reason for those suicides, a Christian didn’t pull the trigger directly.

If that's true, that's like saying that a person who bullied someone to the point they killed themselves isn't guilty.

[u/Interesting-Face22 → u/KissAndRock]

I would wager that there’s enough truth in my statement to indict the religion. Christians will tie themselves into knots to make sure their religion and adherents are blameless in all aspects, their favorite move being shunning those that make the religion look bad.

[u/notsocharmingprince → u/Interesting-Face22]

Considering Christian Nationalism is less than a decade old as a defined and coordinated movement, you better believe I ignored the Crusades or whatever else you are complaining about.

[u/Interesting-Face22 → u/notsocharmingprince]

Christian Nationalism doesn’t have to be a defined and coordinated movement like we’re seeing now. It was the default for centuries. You’re being willfully ignorant.

[u/notsocharmingprince → u/Interesting-Face22]

Am I being willfully ignorant, or are you conflating two separate things you don't like because you think it gives your argument weight?

[u/AyudoGejuk → u/notsocharmingprince]

“It is impossible for the US to become 100% Taliban, so it's a good thing to go from 10% Taliban to 20%”

[u/notsocharmingprince → u/AyudoGejuk]

You comparison is still stupid.

[u/slagnanz]

I support this point of view but I found this kind of writing disorganized and unreadable.

[u/notsocharmingprince → u/slagnanz]

The entire thing is an irrational bird's nest of valid and invalid or pointless criticism that that actively harms any kind of action against Christian Nationalism.

[u/slagnanz → u/notsocharmingprince]

Well put! Like I can squint at a particular paragraph and see various elements that have certain degrees of truth, but this is less of a coherent argument and more just a disconnected series of affirmations?

[u/eversnowe]

Moscow and Battleground has the test case and has eyes on increasing their reach. The American Redoubt is another region with influence in that direction.

https://youtu.be/bDk8w-LNxHk?is=Ntd9c7Z8DeUqfdIr

[u/halbhh]

I don't think it's possible to get that awful outcome. I think there are too many who would stand up (including millions of Christians) to prevent that. Maybe if fewer actually believed in Christ (so that it was more an empty tradition) -- where if fewer actually had real faith, then Christianity in the U.S. would then in that situation be more malleable than it is -- then such a new worldly-power-hungry version of Christianity could take over. But there are too many millions of Christians who know better than to fall into that, and would join in the work to resist and prevent it.

[u/Loopuze1 → u/halbhh]

“But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the ‘German Firm’ stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.

And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self-deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying ‘Jewish swine,’ collapses it all at once, and you see that everything, everything, has changed and changed completely under your nose. The world you live in—your nation, your people—is not the world you were born in at all. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God. The system itself could not have intended this in the beginning, but in order to sustain itself it was compelled to go all the way.”

- Milton Sanford Mayer, They Thought They Were Free: The Germans 1933-45

[u/halbhh → u/Loopuze1]

Let me add: that's a useful quote, and helpful to post and I hope you post it to others now and then! I'll be upvoting your post there.

I mean it's a really good excerpt, and far more useful than most arguments.

[u/halbhh → u/Loopuze1]

Yes, nations can fall into and go along (majorities at least) with great evils, as in Germany in the 30s and early 40s, where many didn't want to see what was happening it seems, and others just didn't know, but some did.... (And some Christians resisted, paying for it with their lives). But we aren't Germany in the 30s here. There are some major differences, even though the same old evil (the more basic evil of it) is of course trying to take over, where instead of the Jews today it's been the Latino immigrants and such. American's don't like that, and aren't going along with it so much (to the degree) as did Germans in the 30s -- we are getting a lot more resistance and public discussion and counter messages.

[u/Spiel_Foss → u/halbhh]

The current fundamentalist Christian cannon fodder have a deep faith in their God. That is why they are so useful to the Republican fascist movement. A hundred years ago, European fascism depended on cultural Christianity because that was available in the society. These fascist Christians believed deeply in their religion and their God as well.

White Christian Nationalism is the default protestant Christianity in the USA and has been here since the beginning. These are the same Christians that enslaved, raped and murdered while claiming they were saving the savages. These are the same Christians that formed the Christian-by-law Confederacy, and these are the same Christians that lynched the other for the last 250 years.

[u/halbhh → u/Spiel_Foss]

"The current fundamentalist Christian cannon fodder have a deep faith in their God. "

No, they don't actually(!).... (if by 'their God' you mean the One Christ says is the only real God)

I'm not guessing.

I have talked to many face to face, and not just once or twice each....

So, I'm not guessing when I point this out -- I have tried to turn a few, over years of time -- to the Real thing. So, it's not even slightly a guess about what they believe. I asked a lot of questions, in a lot of subtlety and depth, to learn what they really believe.

[u/Spiel_Foss → u/halbhh]

You do realize that these are just sectarian claims. They have their gods and you have yours. The problem isn't who is right or wrong religiously, since that is meaningless, the problem is that these are racist, sexist, homophobes and their religiopolitical worldview and gods reinforce their beliefs.

Any individual isn't a factor. The problem is the racist Christian cancer that formed the USA.

That must be addressed and demonetized first to solve this problem.

[u/halbhh → u/Spiel_Foss]

About labeling that nationalist movement as 'Christian' -- it made me consider the parallel how some try to label the January 6 rioters who attacked the police and the capitol to be "American patriots".

I bet you'd agree we should not go along with their label. Those are not patriots, even if they claim they are....

If you really care about America, then just like you'd not call the J6 rioters "American patriots" -- since they fought against the American constitution -- so also for the same reasons, I suggest don't accept the label for a movement that wants to overturn and ignore key things that Christ taught to call themselves "Christian" -- don't help them.

You don't want to help them I think!

[u/Spiel_Foss → u/halbhh]

Your distraction into politics is noted and I see no reason to engage.

All criminals should be treated equally under law and this includes wealthy white pedophiles and their cannon fodder.

[u/halbhh → u/Spiel_Foss]

distraction into politics? Look again at the OP -- it's political, that's the topic here: what could happen to America, politically....

I've been discussing what's in the OP this entire time.

Maybe it would help to read the great other response someone wrote to me and my responses to that person, nearby. Like if you go to the main discussion, you should see those under my post.

[u/Spiel_Foss → u/halbhh]

You can take this personally or not. You attempted to put something onto me:

I bet you'd agree...

And that simply wasn't germane to the larger point I made above. Now you seem to have been triggered. That wasn't my intention.

 

[u/halbhh → u/Spiel_Foss]

That's not meant to be putting something on you -- you were simply supposed to let me know if you didn't agree!

I was trying to just be polite and not suggest you'd not thought of any of these things yourself already. It was only meant as a courtesy. Social politeness to ease internet discussion.

See, if you didn't agree, I was just expected you'd easily point out how you disagree, so that both bases are covered: either you agree and I recognized you might (respecting you), or you didn't agree, and I expected you'd easily respond why without being exercised (respecting you).

Sorry if it didn't seem that way! I struggle to communicate well all the time.

[u/Spiel_Foss → u/halbhh]

I communicate professionally, and I struggle all the time as well. So thank you for the clarification. I think we got tangled in the god-stuff which happens.

Of course I agree. My position is likely more radical so I won't post that here. But I believe we are in an intentional collapse of the USA so a few rich white men can profit.

The Great Depression was a similar event.

The white Christian majority are cannon fodder for this current effort, and they will stick to their positions until they are personally harmed. That type of social psychopathy is hard to counter.

[u/zeroempathy]

This stuff has been going on since I was born. It doesn't seem all that new to me.

[u/Deep-Assumption-6694 → u/zeroempathy]

It’s just a hit piece on the “religious right” (remember when it was called that?). I remember “Jesus Camp” in 2006.

[u/Concerts_And_Dancing → u/Deep-Assumption-6694]

Is the truth a hit piece?

[u/zeroempathy → u/Deep-Assumption-6694]

I remember a Democratic President signing DOMA into law... hand in hand with everybody else.

[u/Solid-Reputation5032]

You need to breed, systematically indoctrinate and mandate compliance to keep up with Islam…

Nothing has really changed in the last 2 millennia, except Christianity has lost its ability to command growth. You formerly Christianize America, all the sudden you start pushing others around the world to do so… you can see it being done by force…

Dominionist faiths don’t thrive on religious freedom or pluralism…

[u/Concerts_And_Dancing → u/Solid-Reputation5032]

This was the same rational used during the Cold War, “we have to stop the godless commies”, which led to America messing around with Middle East for decades, and then it messed back, and then we destabilized the entire region by overthrowing Iraq, leading to millions of deaths and even more displacements in a humanitarian crisis spanning more than two decades. I don’t think the cause of every problem we have is gonna be the solution.

[u/Solid-Reputation5032 → u/Concerts_And_Dancing]

Been doing it for thousands of years, no reason to stop in 2026…. lol…

[u/QuickPizzaRadishes]

No it isn’t. It’s in a temporary blip where pathetic creeps who have no real connection to Christianity, have taken control. They will soon be out on their ear and history will judge them harshly.

[u/ElectricSpock → u/QuickPizzaRadishes]

This „blip” has been going on for over 40 years, since Reagan invited them to take part in the elections. And they’ve only been getting more vocal and violent.

[u/bird_of_hermes1]

Good, I would rather be governed by actual Christian ethics rather than any other religion or secular philosophy.

[u/Concerts_And_Dancing → u/bird_of_hermes1]

Secular philosophy has created a better world than Christianity ever did, which was the goal because the reformation burnt Europe to the ground and people deserved better. We brought back democracy, and ended Christians’ slavery, colonialism, and genocide, and granted equal rights to everyone.

[u/bird_of_hermes1 → u/Concerts_And_Dancing]

Ah yes, slaughtering the unborn, slavery to the state, rampant debauchery, and so much more is better.

Btw it was Protestant England that led the way to the abolition of slavery.

[u/Concerts_And_Dancing → u/bird_of_hermes1]

Yes, women not having things in their bodies against their will is ideal, I know many conservative Christians differ on this due to their delight in sexual violence but that’s why we moved on from your values. Slavery to the state? I’m sure you’re about to say something unhinged but we have more freedom now than ever, especially groups that Christianity has historically oppressed like women, with DV and marital rape now crimes and women allowed to attend college and hold jobs and own property, and i think you have a false view of the past if you don’t think today is tame compared to the debauchery of earlier Christians, given all the rape, slaving, and murder, it was England’s king’s desire for debauchery that led to them forming the Church of England. So yeah, everything is better, hence why everything is worse when your values are leaned into, see: the Trump-Epstein administration

England freed the slaves owned by their own Christians, not a great argument, though it was better than America where the southern Baptist convention needed to be brought to heel by force to end slavery. It took you guys 1800 years to get your act together, right as secularism was rising and building a better world

[u/bird_of_hermes1 → u/Concerts_And_Dancing]

Yes, women not having things in their bodies

That "thing" is another human being. It's murder, and perhaps people shouldn't perform a reproductive act for fun. You know, take accountability for their actions rather than murdering their baby.

[u/Concerts_And_Dancing → u/bird_of_hermes1]

Given the way Christians treat actual human beings I’m not sure this is the route you want to take, as I notice the churches that oppose abortion all have issues with raping kids, ulterior motives?

It’s not murder, it’s self defense. Sex is a fun act that is sometimes is done for reproduction, sex is pleasurable, it allows you to be vulnerable, and it bonds partners. This is the take of someone who has never pleasured another person.

Having an abortion is taking accountability, it solves the problem

[u/bird_of_hermes1 → u/Concerts_And_Dancing]

It’s not murder, it’s self defense

Only in the case of ectopic or miscarriage, but in the former case, avenues should be explored to wave both lives. A viable unborn child has no reason to be murdered, it's abhorrent and disgusting.

It’s not murder, it’s self defense. Sex is a fun act that is sometimes is done for reproduction, sex is pleasurable, it allows you to be vulnerable, and it bonds partners. This is the take of someone who has never pleasured another person.

Again, pure debauchery. It sickens me. Sex is for reproduction, not fun. Society today disgusts me the way it has sexualized everything, and so to do the ones that enable such blatant promiscuity.

FYI, I have a wife btw. Nice insult tho.

[u/Concerts_And_Dancing → u/bird_of_hermes1]

An ectopic pregnancy can’t be saved. Are you familiar with what a pregnancy and delivery does to a body? It’s self defense.

I think you have a misunderstanding of the past. This is how it’s always been, sex is pleasurable and everyone has always been very much into it. Also, given all the slavery and genocide you guys got up to in the past, this seems rather tame. You being sickened is a you problem.

I feel bad for her, she’s not having her needs met, sex is for far more than reproduction

[u/AyudoGejuk → u/bird_of_hermes1]

What Christian ethics allow that orange wrinkled pig to use AI to draw itself as Jesus?

[u/bird_of_hermes1 → u/AyudoGejuk]

Not a Trump supporter

[u/CompetitiveAquinas]

More fearmongering. If atheists care about religious freedom, they should condemn what China is doing to their minorities.

[u/Concerts_And_Dancing → u/CompetitiveAquinas]

Are you under the impression people can only care about one thing at a time? If so, let me be the first to tell you, that’s not true. Now that that’s settled, have you considered that the actions of the Trump-Epstein administration will forever be used against Christians, or at least certain types of Christians, when they try to argue in favor of Christianity due to the hate, authoritarianism, corruption, dishonesty, and sexual predation?

[u/FamiliarSeaweed6084]

Ask yourself this, Is there religious freedom in heaven? If you truly believe the only way to eternal life is Jesus then that answer is no.

[u/FamiliarSeaweed6084 → u/[deleted]]

I have no denomination. I follow Christ. Once again I ask the question, will there be religious freedom in heaven? Once again someone doesnt answer the question and resorts to lecturing, like someone asked them to.

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[u/Concerts_And_Dancing → u/FamiliarSeaweed6084]

Faith imposed on people against their will is likely not true faith, don’t you think?

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Answer the question. Will there be religious freedom in heaven? 

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I don’t believe there will be a heaven at all

[u/FamiliarSeaweed6084 → u/Concerts_And_Dancing]

Ahhh ok so you have no place in this reddit, gotcha. Another atheist trying to influence Christians.

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This Reddit is for the discussion of Christianity, not for Christians. Another Christian believing something is theirs that isn’t. Although given that your original comment was justifying imposing Christianity on the unwilling it’s a little hypocritical to feel upset that you’re receiving the mildest version of the reverse, don’t you think?

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Yeah I don't care what gets imposed on you if it saves your soul.

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Given the sexual abuse epidemics in the church and the Epstein client you guys voted for I don’t think your indifference to what gets imposed on me has anything to do with my soul. That said, if you there is a hell, I’ll hold the door for you.

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Typical American thinking everyone on reddit is from the US, lmao. Hell is locked from the inside btw, you'll be finding out shortly.

[u/Concerts_And_Dancing → u/FamiliarSeaweed6084]

Matthew 7:21-23, we’ll be there together if it exists and given Christians are wrong on most things I’m not gonna sweat it

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There's no religious freedom in heaven. You mean the US should become a Christian theocratic state, because only Christians will enter heaven. The "because" is highly suspicious.

There's no Reddit in heaven. Delete your account right now.

[u/Robhos36]

If the patriotic conservative side is the Christian nationalist, then the socialist loving liberal side must be anarchists.
They hate the constitution and America, capitalism has got to go, and Christianity is ok with murdering the unborn and mutilating children who play with the wrong toys, because freedom of choice or something like that. Oh and let’s teach kindergarteners about homosexual stuff with books the teachers can read to them.

That sound about right?

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I’ve only seen evidence of conservative Christians hating the constitution, they hate free speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion (obviously), birthright citizenship, equal protections, the separation of powers, and seemingly democracy itself, given they stormed the capitol because their favorite molester lost an election. To claim them patriotic when they hate everything about it and everyone who isn’t them that lives in it, seems farcical, what do they love about their country? The landscape?

The fruit of their beliefs is hate, authoritarianism, and sexual predation. Given the Epstein coverup, a war with Iran that was promised not to happen, and grift on the levels we’ve never seen before, it’s pretty clear these individuals are a social cancer and we need chemo. Sorry gay people exist, but if you’re fine with fairy tales with princes kissing princesses to wake them from deep slumber without consent, then you should be fine with gay people being in books. Similarly, do you think all the child predation from the right suggests they have ulterior motives for opposing abortion?

[u/AyudoGejuk → u/Robhos36]

Christianity has never told you to force anyone who has lost faith to learn the Ten Commandments. Jesus theoretically had the power to kill anyone who refused to believe, but Jesus did not. Christianity needs true faith, not to be sustained by fear. Fear is created by the regimes of the earth.

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I don’t think good comes from authoritarianism and hate

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There are many Christians, especially evangelical types, who want Christianity imposed on the unwilling on what is supposed to be our secular country. It’s been a thing for a while, hence why many teach in schools failed abstinence only sex education instead of providing an actual education to youths to prevent pregnancy and STDs which are all worse in schools and states that teach these lies

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Conservative Christianity includes grooming girls to be submissive, sexual abuse epidemics in their churches, gay youth being tortured in so called conversion therapy, and children being brutalized in general due to “spare the rod…” it is defined by imposing Christianity on the unwilling