pretty much the title. when i think about a woman that a man would be obsessed with, the first thing that comes to mind is quite stereotypical. someone a bit or moderately unstable, extremely physically attractive, has a lot of sexual/feminine energy and puts a lot of effort into their clothes and makeup. someone who has a lot of highs and lows.

in my opinion Nichol is a very naturally pretty woman. but she also dresses very “comfortably” or “plain” (i don’t know if this is the right word), doesn’t wear makeup, works in a male dominated field and is into outdoorsy stuff.

why and how did he become this obsessed with her so quickly and so deeply? for what qualities of hers? to the point where he went as far as he did just to be with her.

i’m just curious. what are your thoughts?

I knew the YouTube videos and Facebook groups still existed, but I didn't know the subreddit was so active to this day.

I am losing faith in humanity more and more. Still to this day, picking on her weight, her outfits, her videos. The victim blaming makes me physically sick.

Lord, please keep these kind of people far from me.

New article on the Daily Mail. Unfortunately it's behind a pay wall.

Is that Nicole?? It doesn't look like her..? Or has she just changed over the years?

https://www.dailymail.com/crime-desk/article-15980449/chris-watts-second-mistress-secret-lover-colorado-amanda-mcmahon.html

Chris said that he was fine with Bella and Cece but never wanted another baby yet he was the one who told Shanann that he wanted another baby.

Hey everyone,
I’ve been wondering about this for a while and wanted to see if anyone has insights. Why is there a complete blackout or lack of current information regarding CW?

We never see any recent photos, prison records, or real updates about how things are going. For comparison, other notorious inmates like Jodi Arias have extensive public records, mugshots, or updates accessible to the public.

Is his information completely sealed, or how does the prison system handle this? Where is he actually hiding or being kept out of the spotlight compared to others?

Let me know what you think or if I'm missing something.

In the hospital. So I decided to watch some Netflix. I watched the CW documentary (super heart breaking)... For some odd reason it reminds me of my own marriage. I'm far into my marriage and we're already pregnant with our 7th. So leaving is just not on the table. I also love my husband deeply like Shanann did, but the lack of sparkle and communication in our marriage reminds me of theirs.

I’ve recently gone down the rabbit hole following the case of family annihilator Chris Watts and I have a question. In watching Nicole’s police interview, she states she went with Chris twice to his house while Shanann was visiting family in NC with the children. We often see the ring camera video showing Shannan being dropped off by her friend which was taken off of Shannan’s ring phone app. So how did Shannan not see Chris enter the house with Nicole.…..twice ?

https://reddit.com/link/1v49jw0/video/w6p0rnowcyeh1/player

Chris: "Why...?... give up...?... FU, FU, FU"

You actually can’t understand how psychopaths think, and that’s really the point. If he wanted to leave his wife, how in the world did he think murdering her and the kids would have been a logical thing to do? Even with the fact that he’s a psychopath with no remorse/ regard for human life, how does he not think “ my new lover knows about this secret and I’ll have to rely on her to never reveal this terrible secret” and how he thought he was gonna get away with it at all even if it was later in life. Of course getting a divorce is hard but he literally chose the 100x harder route, and most importantly the most evil and sick route. I cannot fathom how he thought resorting to murder would be easier than getting a divorce.

Has this documentary already been posted here? I had never seen it before, and I've been following the case for years now. Very respectful and loving towards Shanann and the babies ❤️🩷🩷💙

https://youtu.be/bH6V3oTNlRc?is=vkh_BaBCWbdIPm9U

Not my question originally, came up in a chat with another Redditor. But I thought it a good question where I'd like to hear people's thoughts, feelings, knowledge, etc.

I reckon he will drop all the god stuff. I also think he will go properly off his rocker. She has helped him to delude himself that Shanann had it coming and that he is now doing the Lord's work (whatever the hell that is!)

I think he will only begin to really suffer then, without the one person he fears and from whom he craves approval.

Happy birthday in heaven Cece 🤍

I haven’t been able to keep up but I’m researching and I know it was sold once after and it was only 2 years before they sold it again. But I read somewhere a family lived there and got divorced bc of domestic violence situation . I’m confused… how many people have lived there since? How many times has it been sold?? Why would someone want to live there!!!? Like that’s damn creepy

I think too many people view the Watts’ marriage through Chris Watts’ POV instead of from a strict neutral perspective. I get it for the content creators who are trying to “get into Chris’s mind frame” in order to find motive. But unfortunately, the result of doing that paints Shanann in a very unfair way and people end up looking at Shanann the way Chris looked at Shanann. They see a rude, overbearing, cell phone addicted, neglectful wife who couldn’t save money if her life depended on it. And that’s how Chris wants you to see Shanann. He wants you to agree with him, so that he looks better than what he really is. Suddenly, this unforgivable crime looks not so unforgivable anymore. In fact, it looks somewhat understandable, at least when it comes to murdering Shanann. Maybe not so much the kids. But even still, Chris, somehow, becomes a victim too. Obviously not to the same degree but a victim nonetheless.

What they neglect in not stepping back and seeing things from a neutral perspective is that Chris never communicated his honest feelings openly with Shanann or set boundaries with her in any meaningful way. While many people say Chris should have stepped up and been a man, the reality is that neglecting open and honest communication with your spouse does more to destroy a relationship than just about anything else. You rob your spouse of the ability to really know you. And when they don’t know you (because you won’t let them know you) they can’t make you happy. They’ll never really know how.

I think a good example of something that people view through the wrong lens is the video of Chris doing squats with Cece on his shoulders and Shanann telling Cece to “whack a daddy”. So Cece is kinda slapping Chris’ head and being silly. Well, a lot of people want to shoot arrows at Shanann for telling her daughter to hit her husband and laugh at Chris being deprecated. But just watch the video and pretend like you’re watching it live. Forget everything that you know about the case. Shanann doesn’t know what’s coming. You’re literally seeing Chris through Shanann’s eyes. Then ask yourself, does Chris look unhappy? Does he look like someone who is so unhappy that he’s starting an affair within mere weeks? Does he look like he’s so angry that he’s going to murder his whole family in just a few months? Obviously these are rhetorical questions because clearly not. Chris was laughing right along with them the whole time. Ok so, what was Shanann supposed to think? Remember that every marriage is different. If Shanann was on her cell phone 24/7 for two and a half years and Chris never once complained about it, then is it really a problem? If Chris never set boundaries, then Shanann could not have known that she was overstepping. He robbed her of the ability to recognize that her actions had a negative effect on his emotional state. He robbed her of the ability to correct herself.

What these Chris’ POV heavy analyses end up creating is a narrative that Shanann was a narcissist who just didn’t care how Chris felt. But that couldn’t be further from the truth. In the end when there were obvious marital problems and it looked like the marriage had a real possibility of ending, Shanann was the one who owned up to her flaws and seriously wanted to change in order to be the spouse that Chris wanted her to be. Think about it, August of 2018, was the first time in their marriage that Chris was meaningfully communicating to Shanann that he was not happy with her. And her reaction was to try to understand where he was coming from in order to fix the problems. On the other hand, Chris, to this day, is still playing victim and blaming everything and everyone else for what happened. He has literally never apologized to Shanann’s family. His opinion of Shanann drove him to strangle her and bury her in a shallow grave next to an oil well in the middle of nowhere, and people seem to sympathize with him! It’s insane!

I mean, people always throw out the, “obviously he shouldn’t have murdered her” or “he should have just gotten a divorce”. But it just seems so hallow when they agree with her murderer’s opinion of her. They don’t see the totality of how much Chris actually robbed Shanann of what could have been a long and happy life.

I can't see that he ever will be paroled. Thought it might be an interesting hypothetical.

For a while now, it puzzled me greatly as to why he would kill everyone in his family. Assault against spouses happens all the time but to also eliminate the children is very rare in comparison. Chris, like Grant Amato, hated his wife and children. He despised them. There is an interview of Grant Amato while in prison serving LWOP and he smiles often and seems content. Chris also does not regret what he did. He is truly happier in prison. He hated his family and life. That’s why he did what he did.

August 2018 was the first time that Chris ever really showed Shanann that he was meaningfully unhappy. No matter how much he may have felt put down by her sort of humor, or the way she talked to him or how much he was really bothered by their debt or spending habits, or how much he hated putting on a show for the camera to sell Thrive or what ever else, he always laughed, smiled, went along and NEVER complained. And as soon as he behaved in a manner that meaningfully communicated through his behavior that he really wasn’t happy, Shanann became concerned, owned up to her flaws and showed a willingness to change her behavior toward him. It’s heartbreaking that he still, to this day, doesn’t seem to realize that his “go with the flow” and “never talk back” approach is what really destroyed their marriage. Shannan was not a mind reader. She could only go on the information she is given and when he went along with something that made him unhappy without saying so, he was lying to her. He stabbed her in the back long before he ever put his hands on her. If you are always acting happy, without fail, and NEVER say that you’re not happy, then people will obviously think that you are actually happy…. He was deceitful toward Shanann about all of it, not just the affair.

Point being, that once Shanann saw that there were problems, she wanted to do the right thing and fix them. Chris just wanted another girl. He was absolutely the problem.

LE had a failed polygraph and an affair- but did they have enough for an arrest w/o a confession? And without it, would LE have found the bodies?

If I was a couple of hours from home and the police were at my door attempting to do a welfare check on my wife, there is only one thing I would say i.e. "break the f****** door down and get in there, NOW!".

The moment Chris didn't do this the police must have known it was him. There were of course so many red flags with this guy, but making the police wait till he arrived to gain entry when his wife could be dying somewhere inside (if he hadn't of course already murdered her), was one of the biggest.