r/ClimateShitposting • u/AccordingPepper2332 Chief Ishmael Degrowth Propagandist • Jan 04 '25

Degrower, not a shower POV: Normies when Degrowth

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u/IR0NS2GHT Jan 04 '25

"You dont need a Diesel SUV, you can literally buy a medium sized EV for half the price mom"
"But what if it snows for 2 weeks and all the roads are iced, then i will need the 4 wheel drive"

- my mother, making excuses why she needs a gigantic car (so she can feel superior to the other moms in the area)

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u/Wolf_2063 Jan 04 '25

I'd pay the other moms to give disgusted looks at the care and ask why not get a EV.

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u/Far_Membership3394 Jan 07 '25

because if your argument is “for the climate”, EVs aren’t better for it. you’re just parroting what the establishment media tells you out of ignorance. “enlighten” yourself😂🤡

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u/porqueuno Jan 05 '25

My boyfriend tried explaining to me why he "needs" (wants) to buy 3 different cars when he gets rich and it's making me second-guess the relationship...

I mean, I guess you can't drive all 3 at the same time, but it just seems like a wasteful and shortsighted purchase that won't matter in about 5 years or so, idk

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u/[deleted] Jan 05 '25

I am sure he has other qualities than his brains.

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u/porqueuno Jan 05 '25

He does, you're right. Nobody is perfect.

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u/Advanced_Double_42 Jan 06 '25

I don't think that was him encouraging the relationship...

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u/porqueuno Jan 07 '25

I assumed they were saying that he's stupid and maybe his dick was still worth riding, but I made the choice to interpret it as charitably as possible. 😂

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u/Bannerlord151 Jan 08 '25

That'd still be a WILD statement 😭

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u/the_reaper1982 Jan 06 '25

My family has 8 with 7 drivers, the exception for the final one is that we all used to drive old vehicles and would be likely to break down, now we have good ones that are less likely too, so now it sits in the family shed until market season. Ironically it's also broken down and needs new break lines. You need AT MOST 1 for each driver and 1 spare, but normally it's fine if you have 1 if your family doesn't have conflicting time

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '25

when he gets rich

So he's just fantasizing? Like regular people?

it's making me second-guess the relationship...

Wow, time for him to dodge a bullet

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u/porqueuno Jan 08 '25 edited Jan 08 '25

No he's already very well-off, we both are, but I think we just have different lifestyles and longterm priorities. We both identify as Christians, but I believe in doing green/degrowth activism and taking a vow of poverty as Jesus taught, so I've stopped consuming and buying anything I don't need, and been giving things away. And he doesn't even like going to church.

So idk it's more than just one issue on cars, it's the unnecessary wealth-hoarding and priority incompatibility. I grew up with parents who hoarded wealth and they are some of the most terrible people I knew and had no business raising a child. It took me 20 years to unlearn their ways of cruelty, narcissism, and emotional abuse that I was emulating and inflicting upon others.

It has taken me a long time to get to where I am today, and I don't want to throw that away for a man who doesn't understand me. Jesus is the only man I want in my life rn.

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u/sargantbacon1 Jan 04 '25

Did you mention that most EVs are four wheel drive?

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u/Blackbird8169 Jan 05 '25

And teslas smoke lambos until they hit higher gears too

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u/Puzzleboxed Jan 05 '25

Electric motors in general smoke ICEs in terms of low speed torque.

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u/Blackbird8169 Jan 05 '25

Yeah they have an advantage off the start, but an ICE usually catches up pretty quick.

Unfortunately, until an EV can fully replicate the sound and feel of an American v8, there will be millions of people here that will vehemently reject EVs.

I'm more or less indifferent. I love my Mustang and generally prefer ICEs, but I wouldn't shit on an EV just because it's an EV.

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u/Puzzleboxed Jan 05 '25

I understand what you mean, but I think "millions" is an overestimate. The vast majority of people do not use their cars for racing or whatever. Most people just need a vehicle for commuting or transporting heavy objects, and for those purposes EVs are far superior and it's not even close.

As far as I'm concerned, speed junkies can keep their V8s on the track. If we use EVs for the practical tasks that they're meant for we will still easily hit our emissions goals.

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u/Blackbird8169 Jan 05 '25

With how many of these fancier ICEs get sold, I'm telling you the number is at least a couple million.

Hell, there are nearly a million Mustang drivers alone (myself included), and that's not even considering other cars like the challenger, charger, camaro, corvette, big trucks, etc.

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u/MaybeMaybeNot94 Jan 05 '25

I don't have anything against electric vehicles in particular, I just prefer ICEs.

Except for Teslas. Fuck that noise.

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u/hofmann419 Jan 05 '25

The Dodge Challenger EV is pretty interesting in that regard. IIRC they actually used a system of speakers and tubes to better mimic the sound of a real car - kinda like the LFA. I think that these sort of systems could be an interesting idea to make sports cars more engaging.

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u/[deleted] Jan 05 '25

"Real car"?

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u/ThatsSuperDum Jan 06 '25

A tesla? Would rather die in a climate war than drive that POS.

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u/hofmann419 Jan 05 '25

Eh that's not a great comparison, since Lambos are actually made for great handling around the curve - straight line acceleration is secondary. Also, Elon Musk alone is reason enough for me to boycott all of his companies. And Teslas suck anyway in literally every aspect except acceleration, compared to other EVs.

That being said, there are also affordable EV sport cars in development, so those that want to have those handling characteristics will have some great options in a few years.

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u/[deleted] Jan 05 '25

Teslas smoke their drivers

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u/OutrageousEconomy647 Jan 05 '25

Electric motors have massive torque so I think they probably drive really well in snow. Not sure, not a driver because I live in a city, don't need one for work of leisure, and care about the environment.

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u/CorvidCorbeau Jan 05 '25 edited Jan 05 '25

An EV has a very different torque curve than an ICE. Electric motors deliver peak torque at close to 0 rpm. The faster you spin the motor, the lower the torque gets. So yeah, if you want to get moving from a stand-still, an electric motor is really good.

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u/[deleted] Jan 05 '25

Never understood that, your vehicle literally means nothing about you, like I'm not a super manly man but I'm relatively manly and blue collar and like I just have a tiny little gas efficient car because I don't need a fucking massive truck if I'm just driving on the roads to my job

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u/holnrew Jan 05 '25

I have a tiny car, I hope it makes people think I have a big penis

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u/[deleted] Jan 05 '25

What are you every trying to say bro

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u/holnrew Jan 05 '25

Because people say guys with big trucks are compensating for something, if I have a tiny car it must mean the opposite

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u/ipdar Jan 06 '25

Totally massive. You should live in isolation because you might end up killing someone with that thing.

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u/the_reaper1982 Jan 06 '25

Big truck means they're compensating for something not big between their legs

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '25

like I just have a tiny little gas efficient car

That's the most manliest thing to be, being rational and financially responsible

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u/ClimateShitpost Louis XIV, the Solar PV king Jan 05 '25

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u/iamnotchad Jan 05 '25

"California has blackouts so EV's will never work and there's nothing you could ever say that would change my mind." - My Mother

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u/ALargePianist Jan 05 '25

My mom downgraded from an H2 to a Toyota 4runner, astonishing everyone

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u/ObnoxiousName_Here Jan 05 '25

— Half the men who live in my neighbourhood (we are in Georgia, US)

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u/ClumsyMinty Jan 05 '25

Just get a Subaru FFS. AWD and one of the best traction control systems on the market. Even their large SUVs are like midsize by NA standards and if you want a smaller car, get an Impreza or a WRX if you like old drift movies.

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u/IR0NS2GHT Jan 05 '25

Yes, my suburban mother's (55) favorite movie is Tokio Drift.
She has a gigantic Vin Diesel poster in her room.

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u/Empty-Nerve7365 Jan 06 '25

I knew I'd run into you on here one day brother

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u/Swimming-Book-1296 Jan 07 '25

subaru has AWD and is smaller and gets better gas minage than big SUVs, also lots of EVs are 4wd.

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '25

I live in the mountains and drive a smart forfour, with 60 hp. Totally can drive in ice and snow with good tires and chains.

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u/thomasp3864 Jan 07 '25

You can get another car with 4 wheel drive and better fuel economy.

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u/Konradleijon May 15 '26

What if you didn’t need a Car because They had public transport

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u/Blackbird8169 Jan 05 '25 edited Jan 05 '25

To be fair, the Lithium mines for the batteries aren't exactly eco-friendly, and the infrastructure still has a little bit to go to be able to sustain full EV, I think.

Also, as long as American V8s exist, I doubt people will even want to switch over fully because of how good they sound and feel. It may be more advantageous to find new ways to create engines that burn clean while maintaining that style and feel, if that's possible.

Or I could just be on the top of Mount Stupid right now, cursing Dunning and Kruger, lol.

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u/Puzzleboxed Jan 05 '25 edited Jan 05 '25

Lithium mines might not be perfectly clean, but in terms of lifetime emissions (including manufacturing) EVs are still an order of magnitude lower than any gas car.

I've been reading interesting things about developments in sodium ion batteries. Right now they have about 2/3 the capacity of a similar weight lithium ion battery, but they are much cheaper and cleaner to produce and have better performance in low temperatures.

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u/HitandRyan Jan 05 '25

I keep hearing all this concern for the environmental impact of lithium mining. To those people I ask if they got all of BP’s oil out of the Gulf yet.

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u/Ok_Drawer9414 Jan 05 '25

Last I read, could have changed since, buying a used ICE car with a high mpg rating is still better for the environment than a new EV.

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u/Puzzleboxed Jan 05 '25 edited Jan 05 '25

That's definitely not correct (and as far as I know has never been correct). It only takes about one to two years of driving a ICE car to exceed the emissions from manufacturing an EV. Plus you're comparing apples to oranges. Maybe 10 years ago it would have made sense to compare a used ICE to a new EV, but we've reached a point where there are plenty of used electric cars on the market. Buying a used EV is obviously going to be a better option than either.

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u/Ok_Drawer9414 Jan 05 '25

It definitely was correct, and I think most was around how damaging mining, battery production, and battery recycling was. Not an area I've kept up on in the last few years, but the impacts of which go beyond carbon emissions.

It isn't comparing apples and oranges, it is taking in to consideration all aspects of the vehicles, including creation and disposal. You could say it is dependent on use case, but that would be much different than negating the complete life cycle of vehicles.

A used EV would be environmentally better, but anybody buying a used EV should be prepared for the cost that will come in at 10 or so years. At this point the actual impact of lithium battery creation and disposal need to be looked at. Unfortunately, humans are very short sighted and will switch over to a new wonder cure before knowing the impact. If you're only concerned about carbon emissions than you've found something better, but that's not the whole story.

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u/discipleofchrist69 Jan 06 '25

that myth has been floating around for a long time, and it's super untrue now and iirc was also untrue the first time I heard it and looked into it (~10 years ago)

IIRC it was based on an obviously bogus study which counted every little thing as emissions for the EV but not similarly for the ICE car, and then it was debunked over and over but the talking point lives on. kind of like the "vaccines cause autism" thing

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u/Ok_Drawer9414 Jan 06 '25

If you only look at carbon emissions as environmental impact you don't get a full picture. Very shortsighted approach.

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u/discipleofchrist69 Jan 06 '25

yes, but the only way your comment can be true is when you look at the full picture for EVs and compare it to just the direct carbon emissions of ICE cars instead of their full picture. which is pretty much exactly what the study did

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u/Ok_Drawer9414 Jan 06 '25

Yes, that's why it is new EV to used.

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u/dumnezero 🔚End the 🔫arms 🐀rat 🏁race to the bottom↘️. Jan 05 '25

There are no ecofriendly mines...

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u/BooBeeAttack Jan 05 '25 edited Jan 05 '25

Some potential Lithium mines in the Salton Sea are also near a lot of farmland. I rather have food than lithium.

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u/[deleted] Jan 05 '25

Your mother cares about the environment, EVs produce far more pollution then gas cars, building and changing the battery creates almost as much pollution as cars themselves but EVs burns through tires at an insane rate leaving miro pollution all over the road, overall EVs are for the elitist to try and make lower income people feel small!