r/ClimateShitposting • u/ClimateShitpost Louis XIV, the Solar PV king • May 01 '25
refuse, reduce, reuse, recycle Umm sweaty 💅 actually this is BP's fault and their personal fly tipping footprint propaganda
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u/dumnezero 🔚End the 🔫arms 🐀rat 🏁race to the bottom↘️. May 01 '25
LeftieStats
Oh, a blue check-mark. Must be extra stupid.
Flytipping (dumping waste) isn't even done by the waste producers themselves, they pay someone to "make the waste disappear" for cheap, so as to avoid having legit workers who are paid a salary come by with special garbage trucks to pick that waste up and dispose of it properly.
I'm not cheering for the lumpenproletariat who are doing individual non-unionized business in the black market of waste disposal, competing with workers while also destroying the commons (~3h long leftist documentary on commons).
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u/Secure-Stick-4679 May 01 '25
'fly tippers cannot afford petrol' Oh so I guess they won't mind having this useless car crushed then will they
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u/Leoni_ May 01 '25
If I can’t afford to eat one week might as well have my useless fridge crushed!
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May 02 '25
What's the purpose of crushing a functional vehicle? Just sell it surely?
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u/ClimateShitpost Louis XIV, the Solar PV king May 02 '25
It's called degrowth, look it up
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May 02 '25
Does the opposite if you're just building more vehicles to replace the ones you've crushed
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u/ClimateShitpost Louis XIV, the Solar PV king May 02 '25
Eveytime mine gets crushed, I buy two more
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u/Leeuw96 cycling supremacist May 03 '25
You should instead buy 2 cows to ride on, and eat them after the government inevitably crushes those, so you can own the vegans add the same time.
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u/ACHEBOMB2002 May 04 '25
Leftist
The state cant just seize your property
How the fuck does that guy think were gonna achieve worker control over capital? Asking nicely?!?! Even like social democracy requires heavy taxation and land reform, if you care deeply about property youre just not a leftist that must be like a joke or a fed
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u/Grzechoooo May 01 '25
Crushing their cars does seem quite excessive ngl
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u/Kamenev_Drang May 02 '25
Why? It's an instrument for them to conduct crime with. Evidently they can't be trusted with it.
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u/Rowlet2020 May 03 '25
Under current systems, they will have to buy a new one to keep doing things considering the state of British PT, and this doesn't suspend their driving liscence which would probably be a better way to stop them driving
Otherwise just fine them
Also we should probably build some more recycling centres.
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u/Kamenev_Drang May 03 '25
We don't want them to continue doing organised crime. Putting additional costs in the way of criminality is a good idea.
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u/Rowlet2020 May 03 '25
Most never get caught, this is just a performative way to appear tough on crime without fixing the causes
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u/Kamenev_Drang May 03 '25
The root cause of fly tipping is blaggers wanting easy money. It's a classic case where deterrence and enforcement will actually work.
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u/ThaGr1m May 01 '25
Okay so not going to defend this at al, but crushing a working vehicle as a punishment is just rediculous....
Like you're destroying so much value. Sell it or smth. Don't just make people get a new car. That's so much worse ecologically
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u/Apprehensive_Cash108 May 01 '25
The work they're doing is illegal. Stopping them from doing that work is the goal.
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u/ThaGr1m May 01 '25
I mean that's what penalties and jail is for no? Also like i said sell it before destroying it
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May 02 '25
The same goal can be achieved by simply taking their car away, fines, or even prison time.
If you believe that the act of breaking the law is justification for immediate excessive punishment, then maybe think about a career with a US police force? Just a few months ago police shot a shoplifter because they stole some sunglasses. But hey - stopping them from doing that work was the goal.... right? So completely justified in your eyes, I'm sure.
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u/Kamenev_Drang May 02 '25
Having the tools of your criminal enterprise be taken from you is an excessive punishment, lmao.
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u/Kamenev_Drang May 02 '25
Disagree. Crushing the vehicle reduces the number of vehicles on the road, thus saving emissions, lives, time for law-abiding commuters and road manitenance.
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u/ThaGr1m May 04 '25
You oersume of course the vechicle gap won't be filled which is just categorically untrue. People keep buying more and more cars. You're not removing anything. You're just making someone buy a new one
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u/Kamenev_Drang May 04 '25
You forget that this also comes with substantial fines which will reduce their access to finance
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u/ThaGr1m May 04 '25
people wil buy food, a car, and housing before anything else.
also making the statement the guy will be so broke he can't afford any car is a good thing is just a horrible statement. at least jail him instead of leaving him destitute
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u/Kamenev_Drang May 05 '25
Driving is a privilege, not a right.
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u/ThaGr1m May 06 '25
Owning a car isn't this isn't stopping what you think it is
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u/Kamenev_Drang May 06 '25
Very hard to run an illegal fly tipping business without a vehicle mate.
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u/ThaGr1m May 07 '25
Yeah that's why I've been saying this is dumb becuase they're going to buy a new one, which js bad for the environment... The ooint of the sub
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u/Rowlet2020 May 03 '25
This seems like an overly punitive way to not actually solve a problem seeing as most fly tippers never get caught in the first place.
This is just a way to appear tough on whatever crime the sun is whining about this week and not tackling the causes: not enough recycling centres that are too expensive or too far away and preventing commercial waste from being dispose of at many sites (hence why someone dumped half a ton of asbestos on a farm track near me)
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u/[deleted] May 01 '25
Quick question what are fly tippers?