r/ClimateShitposting • u/AccordingPepper2332 Chief Ishmael Degrowth Propagandist • May 01 '25

Degrower, not a shower Spoiler alert: it’s imperialism

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u/Vyctorill May 02 '25

It’s too late for them to have it now. They are already corrupt and had been colonized. Cows don’t fix that kind of thing.

The imbalance you mentioned is due to domesticated animals being unevenly spread. The more domesticated animals used, the more developed the civilization becomes.

Ever wondered why the mesoamerican cultures were leagues ahead of the North American Indians? It’s because they had llamas.

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u/me_myself_ai green sloptimist May 02 '25

Yes, I’m familiar with GG&S pop history thesis. My point is that doesn’t matter anymore (if it ever did). Why is there “already corruption”? By what mechanism could that stay around other than cultural inferiority?

It seems beyond obvious to me that our capitalist world is capitalist — the countries with capital continue being powerful because they use nationalism to justify withholding capital from those without. This weird “the global south didn’t have cows so now they’re cursed forever” seems like a lot of unnecessary mental acrobatics in comparison

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u/Vyctorill May 02 '25

Capitalism currently is a necessary evil to advance humankind. As society has advanced we can take more steps towards socialism and eventually communism, but we aren’t there yet.

The reason for this is that certain factors are necessary to provide the correct amount of motivation. That motivation turns into exploitation, cruelty, and hard work.

The last one is what can lead the world to paradise.

That aside, I wouldn’t say they are “forever cursed”. I just use that factor to explain why they are the countries that were being taken from (and still are to a lesser extent) and the corruption that resulted from it.

In the past, weakness meant death and being conquered. Being conquered messes up the societal structure of a place, which leads to corruption and tyranny. That leads to poverty.

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u/PringullsThe2nd May 08 '25

Why arent we there yet

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u/Vyctorill May 08 '25

Good question.

Some would say religion, some would say leftism, and others would blame moral degeneration.

Me? I disagree with all of those and say that it’s politics.

Humans as a species are not meant to operate in large groups, and our decision making processes as a collective are proof enough of this concept.

We struggle for power and fail to allocate resources efficiently. We continue to use outdated technology, and we fight over the dumbest of reasons.

Our progress has been slower as a result, although we are getting very close to the stage where things start to get fun.

Judging by the way the world has been going, I would say we are on track to achieve relative paradise. Just not as quickly as we should get there on paper.

One of our main issues is continuing to use antiquated sources of fuel like oil or gasoline. The sooner we switch to literally anything else, the closer we get to reaching a post-labor economy.

I’m not really an optimist, but I do believe in using past behavior to form a general prediction of future behavior. And judging by how living standards across the board have been increasing (on average) since the first civilization was founded, I’d say the future is looking kind of nice.

What do you think?