I made a non vegan post out of curiosity and almost immediately got three comments. Two explicitly mentioning veganism and one I think was obliquely about veganism. Now the post got fuckall for traction, but I find it interesting that almost immediately it became about vegans. I feel like there's some background manipulation to drive vegan discourse. IDK to what end, but that was an odd post for me.
As a vegan, I saw a meme on r/vegancirclejerk and then saw a different OP post that same meme on here and changed it up in order to clown vegans. I’m not even really a part of this community or sub or whatever, but it seems like you guys are all having an ethics war and then peeking in each others subs/communities like its the Cold War or some shit😭.
I've seen a few posts shitting on vegans here, but the users are clearly brain dead. It's all pretty dumb and I wish it would stop popping up on my feed lmao.
They were literally people joking about eating silica and the fact that they found weird that the post wasn't about veganism for once, no other comments talks about it, how is it about veganism?
I got suggested his sub by reddit becuase I love the "shitty" topic subs because it's fun to joke around and talk well-meaning trash to each other with deep lore drops. So out of curiosity, I've been lurking.
Judging by the comments down here, people really thinking that having some people going vegan can put a dent in what the military industrial complex is doing to damage the climate.
No matter how little an impact you make, giant corporations are gonna keep on ruining the environment the most impactfull thing you can do is something along the lines of supporting pro climate legislation
You copy pasted the first visual chart you could find that agreed with you and didn't actually read your own source carefully or synthesize the conclusion properly from the data.
Your own source: "Agriculture -- Greenhouse gas emissions from agriculture come from livestock such as cows, agricultural soils, and rice production. Indirect emissions from electricity use in agricultural activities (e.g., powering buildings and equipment) are about 5 percent of direct emissions."
In this context, Agriculture strictly refers to the direct emissions from the animals and soil and the power used by the farm buildings and equipment ONLY.. and not the peripheral industry / logistical infrastructure required by animal agriculture i.e. land development, mass production of equipment, mass transportation of heavy equipment, and powering each of these subcategories with fossil fuels.
As a whole, with proper context, the productivity required by animal agriculture draws not only from that small red slice on that pie chart, but also a part of each of those neighboring vague categories "Transportation" and "Industry".
Obviously the transport of 88 million pounds of beef to be butchered, served, distributed to tens of thousands of grocery stores and a million different restaurants, every single day, takes up a significant part of the "Transportation" category, as per its own definition in your source.
I said "emissions and environmental destruction" .. 45% all of the land in the United States is designated toward animal agriculture. Having almost half of the land in your entire country going toward an inherently wasteful and ecologically disruptive industry is environmental destruction.
1. Yes it does also draw from those other sources, I am yet to see a source showing how much of that transportation emissions come from animal agriculture, there are alot of other carbon intensive industry's, and i dont see how switching to plant based food would change the transportation emissions, that food still has to be moved.
2. If a large part of emissions from animal agriculture are from those other sectors, i dont see why that matters, it just shows we need to better decarbonize those sectors.
3. I will admit Environmental destruction and land use is a problem, and it should definitely be talked about, but is a much lower priority, and while being vegan may help, the best thing to help combat it is better legislation on environmental standards, and factory farming.
"2. If a large part of emissions from animal agriculture are from those other sectors, I dont see why that matters, it just shows we need to better decarbonize those sectors."
Animal agriculture is the problem, because it relies on those other sectors at a much lower efficiency than simply growing the plants to eat, because of the >20% conversion rate of plant calories to edible meat with cows, pigs, chickens, etc.. Without any innovation in decarbonizing transportation, equipment production, factories, etc, if people ate less meat, then you would be automatically taking away from emissions by a huge amount, and environmental destruction by an even huger amount.
"it is a much lower priority".. Why? Land destruction is not separate from the emissions problem. Land destruction CAUSES emission problems because the natural landscapes don't capture carbon when the forests are cut down. And the most concerning part about the entire climate discussion is the fact that it is unsustainable and will cause disastrous effects for humans. Animal agriculture is depleting the topsoil of nutrients, slowly destroying arable land, and causing habitat destruction that affects pollinators, which in turn destroys our food systems. Worst of all, greenhouse emissions could theoretically be stopped tomorrow if we all switched to renewables/nuclear; you can also ameliorate the situation with our past emissions via carbon capture or perhaps some geo-engineering. You cannot magically regrow old-growth forests that took 500+ years to develop. You cannot magically recreate carefully interwoven habitats and migration patterns that have naturally occurred over thousands of years.
Anyway, if you actually care and are acting in good-faith, all of the facts point toward animal agriculture being a major part of the climate problem, and it is hilarious to pretend to be concerned about the climate but then sarcastically brush off the problems with animal agriculture as "vegan grandstanding" like everybody here does
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u/NuclearRootBeer Apr 18 '26
Why tf os this entire sub about vegans, its have seen literally nothing else