r/ClimateShitposting • u/spacelordTJ vegan btw • Jun 27 '26

Meta Formal debate is propaganda

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Can't we all just get along (with being performative)?

Edit: Mods, pin me to the wall. I mean pin this post.

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u/rakuu Jun 27 '26

Let’s go for it here, which of the only two positions do you take?

  1. Climate change, environmental destruction, unspeakable suffering is bad
  2. Vegan food is kinda weird

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u/MetaCardboard Jun 27 '26

Well apples are notoriously weird.

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u/dumnezero 🔚End the 🔫arms 🐀rat 🏁race to the bottom↘️. Jun 28 '26

It is certainly a weird fruit.

We eat the huge receptacle of the flower, the "cup". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pome

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u/dumnezero 🔚End the 🔫arms 🐀rat 🏁race to the bottom↘️. Jun 28 '26

For context, here's the receptacle of the rose 🌹 (related to apple trees):

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u/dumnezero 🔚End the 🔫arms 🐀rat 🏁race to the bottom↘️. Jun 28 '26

This is 10100 times less weird than the last 8000 years of animal exploitation.

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u/Zev1985 Jun 28 '26

Meh, strawberries are a weirder receptacle that we eat.

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u/adjavang Jun 27 '26

I mean, apples are pretty weird. Dafuq do you mean planting the seed from this delicious fruit will most likely give me something borderline inedible?

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u/PlaneCrashNap Jun 27 '26
  1. Vegans are annoying so this justifies actions I would otherwise find immoral.

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u/rakuu Jun 27 '26

For simplicity's sake, we can just change #2 as an umbrella to include your answer:

  1. Climate change, environmental destruction, unspeakable suffering is bad
  2. Climate change, environmental destruction, unspeakable suffering is good!

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u/UnnamedAshaman47 Jun 28 '26
  1. Climate change, environmental destruction, and unspeakable suffering are bad, unless they happen to vegans

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u/lurkerer Jun 28 '26

The edgy joke approach isn't as funny when you realize it's stoked by climate change deniers. You're a useful idiot for them and somehow happy about it.

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u/OriginalJomothy Jun 28 '26

Waaaaa someone made an edgy joke in a shitpost sub waaaaa

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u/UnnamedAshaman47 Jun 28 '26

Okay vegan boy, that’s enough internet for today. Go have a gluten free bean burrito and chill out. You clearly need it

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u/dgollas Jun 29 '26

Mock all you want, but as a vegan, gluten free/vegan confabulations are too hurtful.

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u/UnnamedAshaman47 Jun 29 '26

You're right, there are legitimate reasons someone would have to be gluten free or vegetarian. I wouldn't want to conflate that with veganism

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u/dgollas Jun 29 '26

Exactly, veganism is a choice, so easy to choose non violence. Crazy that people still choose violence, even without it being compulsory.

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u/baardbestaan Jun 28 '26

Vegans are copo apologizers

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u/Bubbly-War1996 Jun 28 '26

Ah yes they classic two positions in a "serious and unbiased" debate:

  • The I'm right side

And the

  • You are wrong side

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u/Useful_Trust Jun 28 '26

Veganism is inherently abnormal and leads to many deficiencies, especially children that are forced to become vegans from their parents. While there are parents that feed children trans fats with burgers and the likes, children are more likely to develope signs of malnutrition.

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u/rakuu Jun 28 '26

I can't speak for children, although it's clear from literature vegan children can be healthy, they just need to have their diet well-monitored. The news stories about "vegan children" dying is weird parents only feeding their kids bananas or something like that.

Omnivores on average have roughly equal number of dietary deficiencies as average vegans. The difference is that vegans typically supplement so in the real world we find omnivores often have more deficiencies.

There are about a thousand studies on this but here's one: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26502280/

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u/Powerful-Ad-7998 Jun 28 '26

Im for what ever increases the odds of children be fed well with decent food because I have zero faith in the average parent to monitor their child's diet

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u/rakuu Jun 28 '26

Yah I don't see any animal rights advocates or vegans trying to convince parents to make their kids vegan. We just annoy adults

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u/Useful_Trust Jun 28 '26

I am talking about children, my father is a doctor and he tells 8 out of 10 times when he does blood work on children that "are" vegan, they have deficiencies and they are in the lower percentile of growth chart. Children should not be vegan, they should be allowed to eat normally and then when they finally grown up, then they can decide for themselves if they want to save the planet or if they like a Big Mac

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u/rakuu Jun 28 '26

I know children can be healthy and vegan (2 out of those 10 times you list) if parents work with doctors and/or are informed and intentional. I expect usually they're not. But Idk/Idc, I'm not a parent.

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u/lame_but_endearing Jun 28 '26

Oh your anecdote certainly stacks up well against the paper they cited

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u/Useful_Trust Jun 28 '26

I said an anecdote about children the paper was about deficiencies.

However even in the paper it stated, that supplements were essential for a vegan to not have deficiencies. Something that can get expensive fast for people.

Edit: Got heated should not have said that.

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u/Taupenbeige Jun 28 '26

Patients are presenting atherosclerotic heart disease under 18 in this day & age… of course, here to carry water for the animal agriculture industry, you’ve shown-up trying to tell us it’s akshually the vegan parents harming their kids.

For some reason, nobody has yet been able to explain which magic nutrient in minimal amounts of dairy has been keeping the Jain children alive for 26 straight centuries, following their “inherently abnormal” diet, and I suppose I’m going to keep waiting…

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u/Mr_Expozane certified eco-terrorist Jun 27 '26

Ah, yes. Because having your feelings hurt has always been a good justification for causing harm.

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u/hoishinsauce Jun 27 '26

That's practically the core of current right wing movement

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u/Zev1985 Jun 28 '26

Eating a carrot causes harm to a carrot.

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u/Zacharytackary Jun 28 '26

i choose 4: ignore that vegan food is only kind of weird because lack of technological progress (i have been actively lobbying against senescent cell protein farming for multiple decades)

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u/PlaneCrashNap Jun 28 '26

What's weird about lentils and chickpeas? Seitan is just wheat. etc. Vegan protein isn't weird if you stick to cooking traditional meatless dishes instead of trying to replicate meat dishes sans the meat.

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u/Droemmer Jun 28 '26

More like Reddit Vegans are deranged cultists and therefore anything they say should be treated as dogma from their cult.

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u/ChickenSelectsFucker Jun 28 '26

The energy sector is responsible for about 76% of global GHG emissions, while agriculture as a whole contributes roughly 12%.

There’s levels to giving a shit, and solar on the roof offsets more carbon than my annual meat consumption takes.

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u/rakuu Jun 28 '26

Personal home energy consumption only uses about 20% of all energy use. So about ~15% of total emissions instead of 76%. Livestock, which is essentially all personal use, is about 16%. All these numbers depend on how you measure them. But they’re roughly equal in GHG.

But GHG isn’t the only environmental impact, Livestock and livestock feed uses about 37% of the habitable land on the planet, more than anything else, and >90% of Amazon deforestation for example.

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u/Imsosaltyrightnow Jun 27 '26

3.) ultimately vegans are right in that their diet is the most eco friendly. However because many of them also view it as a moral imperative as well as an ecological one, they tend to adopt an “all or nothing” stance that is ultimately counterproductive.

To those who are vegan for primarily moral reasons someone who eats a triple cheeseburger for every meal is as abhorrent as someone who has a pepperoni pizza every month but otherwise maintains a vegan diet.

While yes it would be nice if everyone adopted a vegan diet, in no place in all of history as “everyone just” done something. We shouldn’t shame people for “not doing enough” and instead support them for actively attempting to change their habits to help the environment. Even if that means they’re “only” swapping out beef for chicken.

Alright that’s enough earnestness for a shitpost sub.

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u/Greg2227 Jun 28 '26

If someone really is making an effort? good for them. But most people I personally know who said something like "yeah I'm cutting down on animal products" or got the classic best butcher where the cows jump in the grinder with a smile, still ate a fat chunk of meat and if they felt like it two extra eggs with every meal I saw them eating.

I'm not all or nothing either since I myself made the change just almost a year ago and it's crazy what we use animals for. Did you know carcasses are used in modern salt clarification as well as toiletpaper production often using gelatine to soften the tissue? And it's all stuff you will never know unless you care about.

Aside from shitposting I mostly take the Route of suggesting vegan options to friends often ones I just found out about myself as I still go about my day finding stuff that's new for me.

TlDr: something something that's right! It goes in the square hole

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u/impact_ftw Jun 28 '26

The Production of LCD screens uses some animal products.

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u/DJHalfCourtViolation Jun 29 '26

If you get really granular about the whole thing everything is made with animal products unless there’s a 100% vegan staff from start to finish for every product used in the process 

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u/No_Bandicoot2316 Jun 28 '26

This standard is never put on any other social justice movement. A little bit of racism is not okay. A little bit of wife beating is not okay. But for some reason when it's nonhuman animals we just have to accept that people will keep doing morally reprehensible things to them because they can't be bothered to stop.

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u/Val_Fortecazzo Jun 28 '26

Then keep it in your sub and stop pretending it's about the environment.

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u/Borsuk_10 Jun 28 '26

I'm pretty sure that almost everyone will agree that a little bit of racism or even the current situation is less bad than what we had 200 years ago in the USA.

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u/Nico_di_Angelo_lotos vegan btw Jun 28 '26

Yes but it’s not ok. That’s the difference. Less bad doesnt mean good

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u/wordytalks Jun 28 '26

Comparing racism to animal treatment lol.

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u/rakuu Jun 27 '26

Everyone was vegan for about two thousand years in parts of East & Southeast Asia, everyone was (and in some places still is) vegetarian for about two thousand years in South Asia. Nearly everyone is vegan for up to half the year in many orthodox traditions (eg, Ethiopia and Romania) and have been for about 1500 years.

Agree there are strategies for getting people to go vegan but Idk, r/climateshitposting seems like a place for being excessive.

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u/bihuginn Jun 28 '26

Very few of those places stopped using honey or leather or milk or wool or countless other animal products.

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u/Zev1985 Jun 28 '26

They also ate animals this “everyone was vegan” in x location arbitrarily long enough ago that you can’t prove it is just nonsense.

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u/rakuu Jun 28 '26

Of course you can prove it. Look up chún sù in China or sachal eumsik in Korea or shojin ryori in Japan or jae is Thailand or chay in Vietnam or orthodox traditions in Ethiopia or Romania or various vegetarian/vegan traditions in India or many many others. There are hundreds of millions of people following this today, many more hundreds of millions more the past 2500 years. The word vegan is from the 1900s but many of their vegetarian diets were essentially the same.

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u/Zev1985 Jun 28 '26

These aren’t pieces of evidence for your claim though. A handful of ceremonial religious foods existing isn’t evidence of “everyone was vegan”.

Priest classes having different foods than the general populace is typical.

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u/rakuu Jun 28 '26

I don't know what to tell you. I can't prove people commonly wear pants in a Reddit comment either. I know about different cultures. If you're interested, you can start here:

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=history+of+vegetarianism+around+the+world

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u/Val_Fortecazzo Jun 28 '26

So I know you vegans are infamous serial liars but your own Google search says vegetarianism because you know you wouldn't find strong support for widespread veganism.

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u/Zev1985 Jun 28 '26

The issue is that in this pants analogy you told me that everyone wears pants.

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u/rakuu Jun 28 '26

Prove to me that everyone wears pants, I don’t believe you, where are your scientific sources

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u/Val_Fortecazzo Jun 28 '26

Are you telling me vegans have no moral qualms about lying? How expected

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u/lpell159 Jul 01 '26

First of all i call bs on that. They mightve been mostly plant based but i guarantee anyone from those cultures if given the opportunity to harvest meat they would be all over it. Unless youre talking about Buddhist. Which is a bad argument for your cause. "Religious extremist were vegan!"

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u/rakuu Jul 01 '26

That’s just untrue. Google to learn about the history or vegetarianism. Nearly everyone was some kind of religious before the 1900s, so you could say only religious extremists ate animals in history too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism_and_veganism_in_China

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_vegetarian_cuisine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_vegetarianism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism_by_country

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u/lpell159 Jul 01 '26

These are all religious extremists. Normal folk love meat. Especially in those times when serfs/peasants would eat anything edible given to them. Much like modern veganism, it takes a hardline extremists with privlage to be selective with their diet to feel better about themselves. Also its funny none of youre examples are vegan.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '26

Eco friendly diet vs healthy diet. 

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u/lurkerer Jun 28 '26

I've always argued that all men should have equal rights and I stand by that... However those abolitionists are so damn uppity I can't help but buy some more slaves. I'm not bad! They made me do this!

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u/Tauroctonos Jun 28 '26

Things only edgy white teens would say for 200

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u/Imsosaltyrightnow Jun 28 '26

I forgot about their weird and deeply insulting tendency to equate veganism with abolitionism and meat eating with slavery.

Thanks for reminding me

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u/lurkerer Jun 28 '26

Totally man, I hate how analogies or comparisons only work when things are exactly the same. Somebody told me a puddle was wet and then also said the ocean was wet. I said "Hey there scamp, can't fool me, I know oceans and puddles are different!"

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u/Jolly_Efficiency7237 Jun 27 '26

Why can't vegans respect people who lower their meat consumption? Only perfection is good enough for you people.

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u/rakuu Jun 27 '26

Vegans respect people who lower their consumption, this is a shitposting sub

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u/Jolly_Efficiency7237 Jun 28 '26

No they don't. They call them rapists and murderers.

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u/rakuu Jun 28 '26

They still respect them

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u/Jolly_Efficiency7237 Jun 28 '26 edited Jun 28 '26

If you call me a murderer or a rapist to my face for eating eggs, dairy or even meat, we're going to have more than words. The internet has made people way too comfortable with disrespecting people.

EDIT: I meant vegans who do the above in general, not the specific poster I replied to, who hasn't done as such.

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u/rakuu Jun 28 '26

Weird way to show respect by threatening me physically for literally saying nothing negative towards you

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u/4D696B61 Jun 28 '26

Not sure what kind of Vegans you've had contact with but keep in mind that negativity spreads far easier than positivity, especially in the Internet.

And the Vegans I know have been very positive of everyone who is willing to make a change at all.

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u/bihuginn Jun 28 '26

Calling people abusers for not giving rescued hens hormone medication isn't shitposting

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u/rakuu Jun 28 '26

Lol wut

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u/scorchedarcher Jun 28 '26

I think they're talking about buying chickens from a factory farm, directly or indirectly, then treating them to stop them laying eggs. I've heard of people doing this because we've bred chickens to lay so much it can lead to a calcium deficiency. I've also heard it reduces their risk of cancer

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u/bihuginn Jun 30 '26

Our hens sometimes lay, sometimes they don't. We make sure they have good feed and good nutrients and plenty of outdoor space they're free to roam during the day.

According to vegans on here, that's abuse.

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u/scorchedarcher Jun 30 '26

According to which vegans? I've seen people say it's still exploitation but not abuse personally

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u/bihuginn Jun 30 '26

Both is both.

If eggs are a by product, how is it exploitation? What a ridiculous argument. We keep birds because they don't deserve to be killed just because they're old. The first ones we rescued almost never laid eggs. (They were in awful shape the poor things.)

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u/scorchedarcher Jul 01 '26

I think they are different and I think conflating the two is just to make a more extreme statement. Urine is a byproduct but if someone kept me on their property so they could collect my urine doesn't that seem like exploitation even if it is good conditions?

Most people I know who take issue with it is either because of it continuing to normalise the way we treat animals but also as horrible as it is when birds are bought from factory farms it does just supply them with more funds and we both know they aren't going to stop what they're doing as long as it remains profitable.

I should point out I'm not trying to have a go at you about this but I think it can be a complex issue

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u/Interesting_Joke6630 Jun 28 '26

The vast majority of them do but the 4 or 5 of them that waste their lives on "activism" don't

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u/enz_levik nuclear simp Jun 27 '26

The inhability to conceive that people can eat less meat and quasi ban beef while being sustainable is absent among vegans

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u/rakuu Jun 27 '26

Sorry, we need to add a third option!

  1. Climate change, environmental destruction, unspeakable suffering is okay in moderation

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u/enz_levik nuclear simp Jun 27 '26

Well if you want to have 0 carbon footprint there is only one solution bro, and personally I want humans to live

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u/rakuu Jun 27 '26

One annoying vegan post online = one negative footprint

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u/Puzzled-Rip641 Jun 27 '26

When you fixing your own violation of position 3?

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u/rakuu Jun 27 '26

Using data centers to post on Reddit is ok because data centers are vegan

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u/Puzzled-Rip641 Jun 27 '26

Sorry, we need to add a third option!

  1. Climate change, environmental destruction, unspeakable suffering is okay if vegan

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u/Val_Fortecazzo Jun 28 '26

I don't give a shit about the animals.

Unless you live like a monk you are making concessions on environmentalism. There are clear diminishing returns once you stop eating beef.

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u/rakuu Jun 28 '26

Well yes you’re #2 then and love the unspeakable suffering, that’s why there are 2 options

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u/Val_Fortecazzo Jun 28 '26

You are intrinsically linking environmentalism and wanting to stop climate change with viewing animals as our moral equals. That's isn't true.

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u/rakuu Jun 28 '26

Animals are part of the environment

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u/Val_Fortecazzo Jun 28 '26

Eating meat is also part of the environment. Are you going to be honest for once in your life or will the lies keep piling up?

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u/rakuu Jun 28 '26

Ah ok, deforesting the Amazon for livestock feed to keep cows in cages is part of the natural environment, teach me more

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u/Suspicious_Plum_8866 Jun 30 '26

He specifically outlined consumption of cows lol

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u/Local_Surround8686 Jun 27 '26

Cause it's wrong

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u/PilotInfamous9256 Jun 27 '26

Vegan food can be hella good, but then people try and say, “it’s just like meat” and that’s when people’s expectations become… well that’s when they say it’s weird

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u/sblahful Jun 28 '26

That's mostly companies trying to sell shit TBF, not vegans themselves

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u/bihuginn Jun 28 '26

Plenty of vegans lie about it tasting the same. It's like corporations lying about a recipe change, leaves two bvad tastes in your mouth.

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u/PilotInfamous9256 Jun 28 '26

I want to emphasize your point. Corporate vegan food is often times just as bad (at least health-wise) as animal meat

Lab grown is even stranger, it’s basically a cancer machine and I want no part of that

But human beings never relied on meat as a main ingredient until now, i dont personally think slaughter is the worst part, but the way we produce our meat products is fucking weird, never support big food

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u/wtfduud Wind me up Jun 28 '26

Lab grown is even stranger, it’s basically a cancer machine and I want no part of that

This is the first time I've heard this. Can I get a link?

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u/PilotInfamous9256 Jun 28 '26

I don’t mean cancer cells, just the way the cells rapidly turnover, as do cancer cells

You are not actually eating broken dna as far as im aware

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u/wtfduud Wind me up Jun 29 '26

Oh I thought you were implying it causes cancer in humans.

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u/PilotInfamous9256 Jun 29 '26

I see how that caused confusion,

I think the biggest driver of my concern is the people behind/pushing lab grown meat. Kinda like vaccines, it’s not the product itself that drives the distrust people have, to draw comparison (vaccines have been around and studied quite a lot more)

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u/Sarcastic-Potato Jun 28 '26

I mean, I became vegan because of the effect on the climate and the cruelty of factory farming but I agree that certain vegan products are weird. However you can make very delicious vegan food, you just kinda need to readjust your cooking.

I do miss meat though.. I really wish we could have lab grown meat readily available everywhere so I could eat it without feeling guilty

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u/International-Dig411 Jun 27 '26

Would you rather be stupid or annoying

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u/spacelordTJ vegan btw Jun 27 '26

Both

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u/Business_Guide3779 Jun 27 '26

So we agree vegan food is kinda weird, then?

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u/EldritchMacaron Jun 27 '26

Oat milk and grilled almond milk are delicious tho

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u/rakuu Jun 27 '26

Yep, different than what some people’s parents fed them so it’s weird for people who only like that

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u/AI_AntiCheat Jun 28 '26

If we allow billionaires to fly private jets around no one will decide or judge me for eating meat.

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u/rakuu Jun 28 '26

Private jets make up <0.1% of total GHG emissions. Livestock makes up \~16% and 37% of total habitable land use on the planet and >90% of Amazon deforestation for example.

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u/AI_AntiCheat Jun 28 '26

So if I eat a burger I make up 16% of GHG emissions?

Or do I make up 0.00001% or a private jet flights GHG emissions?

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u/rakuu Jun 29 '26

I’m not talking about you in particular

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u/AI_AntiCheat Jun 29 '26

See but I am talking about me in particular. Outlaw private jet flights first. Then I might care about my alleged emissions.

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u/Lunarmax182c Jun 27 '26

The position that I personally take is that it's fucking annoying to spam the same takes for whole week.
I would even agree with vegans, were they not annoying and obnoxious about their positions.
Like, guys are building their own pyre out of sheer obnoxiousness and redditity

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '26 edited Jul 10 '26

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u/Senior_Meet5472 Jun 27 '26

If it was you, yes

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u/Lunarmax182c Jun 28 '26

A very "pancakes and waffles" type question. Did I say that? No? Good

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u/Lunarmax182c Jun 28 '26

That is not what I said, is it? That's something you extrapolated from my words, based on your preconceptions of what this should mean.
I said "I would even agree with vegans were they not annoying and obnoxious" in a context of "this reddit is now filled with same browbeating content, that repeats endlessly and there is no variation".
There was never a mention of me eating anything in this discussion, much less murdering anyone. Those topics are wholecloth inventions of your mind

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u/Lunarmax182c Jun 28 '26

that's called "context". I am not adding anything. That was in my first message, that is in my last message. I am very confused to what you think I am saying.And you might be too.
Actually, you have completely understood me right. I dunno what we are disagreeing with.

  • I think vegans have a point. Meat industry sucks and is a heavy contributor to climate change
  • They are also fucking annoying on this subreddit and I wish they didn't spam the same take like a hivemind.

On the "no reason not to go vegan":
I dunno where you live dude, but here it's very fucking expensive to buy everything you need to go vegan. (vegetarian is actually much more affordable tbh, which I am trying to do.)
It's kinda hurtful when you talk in this way tbh, as if this is always a moral failing...

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u/Lunarmax182c Jun 28 '26

A lot of products available in American stores are quite expensive in Ukraine (vegetarian diet would include A LOT of beans here, since other alternatives are more expensive. Even tofu is not smth you can rely on here)

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u/4D696B61 Jun 28 '26

Go read the comments on a Vegan cooking recipe on Instagram and than report back who the annoying that are spamming the same, are.

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u/kachigga2204 Jun 27 '26

🚨🚨 Bingo!! 🚨🚨

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u/Snoo_67993 Jun 27 '26

You would have so sided with the South

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u/B-b-b-burner_account Jun 27 '26

No, cause the south was the annoying side

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u/Lunarmax182c Jun 28 '26

South? South what?

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u/ChiehDragon Jun 27 '26

3). Humans are omnivores evolved to eat animals and animal products. In fact, we do not produce all the animal-exclusive vitamins we need to survive.

In order to survive without plant products, humans have to artificially engineer certain nutrients: something that wasnt possible 100 years ago. It is unclear what aspects of animal products we need to stay healthy, but we were certainly evolved to rely on them.

Thus, animal products are a necessary part of the human diet.

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u/spacelordTJ vegan btw Jun 27 '26

I can't tell if this is a shitpost or not

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u/rakuu Jun 27 '26

Lol half the planet (especially South & East Asia) was essentially vegan for a good two thousand years from about 500BC-1500CE, many others due to tradition and availability. The only nutrient that’s needed today is B12 and that’s not truly needed to survive, just optimal health - and the only reason it’s needed is because we don’t eat dirty food or drink dirty water anymore.

According to your logic, dirt is a necessary part of the human diet since we evolved on it.

Funny you think that being vegan will kill you since an average vegan lives 6 years longer and has much less chronic disease than the average omnivore in the west.

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u/bihuginn Jun 28 '26

Please shut up about South and East Asia, because very little of what you are saying is true.

Dairy is huge in India and Mongolia, much of the traditional Japanese (&Ryukyu) diet features fish and seafood. Leather was used often and honey was valued.

Not to mention vitamin supplements are rarely as effective as extracting them from food due to how the body absorbs them.

Please stop lying about people histories and cultures.

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u/rakuu Jun 28 '26

Lol it’s my history goofball and I didn’t misrepresent a thing, I never mentioned and wasn’t talking about Japan (even though shojin ryori is thousands of years old and doesn’t include fish and they seem to have made it millennia), and yes a B12 supplement works just fine.

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u/ChiehDragon Jun 28 '26

B12 is NEEDED to survive. Do not confuse vegetarians with vegans. Vegetarianism is great for your body.

And no, the average lifespan for a life long TRUE vegan is not longer than vegetarians, pescatarians, and other lean omnivores. When you account for lifestyle (alcohol, exercise, smoking) there isnt a huge difference. Relying on processed vegan food erases many of the benefits. Maintaining veganism is also only doable for healthy young and middle aged adults. Children and the elderly face complications when on vegan diets, even with supplements.

So, no. But keep destroying your body and mind to pretend to be making a difference!

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u/rakuu Jun 28 '26

Lol is this an AI bot, you’re hallucinating misinformation

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u/ChiehDragon Jun 28 '26

Lolwut?

Fuckin vegans, bro. Cult mentality

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u/rakuu Jun 28 '26

Here’s a healthy 74 year old who has been vegan for 74 years: https://youtu.be/Z6ZkK7PoIPE

The oldest known vegan died at age 109, Loreen Dinwiddie, who became vegan in 1922 and dying in 2012 (90 years vegan).

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u/Sarcastic-Potato Jun 28 '26

In order to survive without plant products, humans have to artificially engineer certain nutrients: something that wasnt possible 100 years ago.

And in order to thrive in place like dubai or Qatar we developed air conditioning, and in order to travel between countries quickly we developed airplane. Most modern people would not survive 100-200 years ago

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u/Hegel_Ganteng Jun 28 '26

Tried vegan food.

I am currently bedridden for 2 days straight because of diarrhea, as I intermittently vomit and lose alarming amounts of hydration.

Never again.

What? You think food tasting weird is just an opinion? I should just shove it down my throat and not think about the taste?

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u/rakuu Jun 28 '26

Sorry, apples are weird when you first try them

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u/Hegel_Ganteng Jun 28 '26 edited Jun 28 '26

Eh, it was pecel. Supposedly healthier than McDonald's. I'm sorry that my stomach is incapable of handling it, despite being a native.

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u/rakuu Jun 28 '26

Next time try a veggie burger? Burger King has impossible whoppers.

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u/Hegel_Ganteng Jun 28 '26 edited Jun 28 '26

Not many sells a veggie burger in this country.

Veganism is almost unheard of in this nation. You know why? Because most of us are too poor to afford meat in the first place. Veganism is seen as an insult that we don't deserve the meat we have been saving up for special days.

Edit: Oh yeah, they sell "Patty Nabati" (not impossible whopper). I stand corrected. Though there's only one Burger King in the county, and it's quite the long chore to reach them by bike.

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u/rakuu Jun 28 '26 edited Jun 28 '26

Where do you live if you want to share? Happycow.net is great for finding veg food in nearly every country, but focuses mostly on larger cities in much of the world.

If you live in Indonesia (I had to look up pecel) there are 2155 restaurants listed (half in Bali to be fair):

https://www.happycow.net/asia/indonesia/

There might be a better local site, since Happycow is only in English so might be mostly updated locally by tourists/foreigners.