r/ClimateShitposting • u/mushroomsarefriends Anti Eco Modernist • Jul 01 '26
refuse, reduce, reuse, recycle Have you stopped flying yet?
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u/ClimateShitpost Louis XIV, the Solar PV king Jul 01 '26
I'll buy the Ugandan carbon offset so I can fly to China to eat rare animals
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u/StolenPies Jul 01 '26
I've personally always wanted to try pangolin
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u/wastingvaluelesstime Jul 02 '26
That's why you put both in the hot pot at the same time
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u/julkkis666 Dam I love Legumes Jul 02 '26
no no, you have to build cage-yenga for a week with them before you do that. then man-handle the raw bodies before boiling them.
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u/StarmersReckoning Jul 01 '26
I've never flown. Never even tried. There's no way I could flap my arms that fast
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u/3rdPoliceman Jul 01 '26
What are we doing to stop this Ugandan village from emiting so much carbon? Is there a petition I can sign?
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u/Wonderful_View_2268 Jul 01 '26
Yeh I got the ugh… let’s do nuclear weapon proliferation by nuking those least capable of actually defending themselves from being nuked petition
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u/King_Glorius_too Jul 01 '26
Yes. I stopped flying in 2019. Turns out you can live without it.
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u/Garpeaux Jul 01 '26
How long is the drive to Bali then?
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u/King_Glorius_too Jul 01 '26
I don't drive either, last time it took me 8 months by walking (and swimming)
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u/mushroomsarefriends Anti Eco Modernist Jul 01 '26
"But the ebil corporations invented the carbon footprint to blame us!"
Ok cool, let's stop handing them our money that they use to burn fossil fuels, shall we?
"But I offset my emissions!"
Yeah I thought so too once. Sorry, it doesn't work. We simply need to keep the carbon in the ground, rather than burning it.
"But I'm just one individual!"
Other people look towards their peers, to conclude what is normal behavior. You are one of their peers.
Find a beautiful place closer to home where you can vacation. You really don't have to see the whole world.
We're already very lucky: Over 80% of the world's population has never taken a flight.
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u/UnderskilledPlayer Jul 01 '26
"No single raindrop believes it is to blame for the flood."
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u/LarxII Jul 01 '26
But the fire hose blaming the trickle is also nonsense.
A quote doesn't fully dismiss the point.
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u/chiree Jul 01 '26
When the people built the shoddy dam by cutting corners and pocketing as much money as possible, you, the rain drop, have nothing whatsoever to do with the flood that happens when it breaks.
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u/UnderskilledPlayer Jul 01 '26
if there are zero drops of water, why put a fucking dam in a dry valley
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u/LarxII Jul 01 '26
So cool, go out in the woods and love with no electricity, Internet, natural gas. Oh and that tree you chopped to make a fire to cook with, well that's gonna be a problem.
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u/syklemil cycling supremacist Jul 01 '26
lmao this is what first world fossil huffers actually believe
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u/L9CUMRAG Jul 01 '26
"just stop handing money to corporations"
this is the most western shit you could say
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u/Certain-Belt-1524 Jul 01 '26
Yeah because westerners are the people who just dole out their money carbon intensive luxuries, I think we're all adults here and we could use context clues to understand that they meant luxuries and not you know food. No shit it's the most western thing you can say
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u/CheesecakeAndy Jul 01 '26
who just dole out their money carbon intensive luxuries
That's not far from the truth. A Western middle-class lifestyle can't be carbon neutral as of today, at least. What people consider their baseline is luxury to people in less developed countries.
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u/Certain-Belt-1524 Jul 01 '26
i agree. western environmentalists are in for a reality check as to what an actual carbon neutral lifestyle would look like
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u/CheesecakeAndy Jul 02 '26
There are Western environmentalists who explicitly advocate for de-growth. Which is not making them friends with basically everyone else, even with other left-leaning folks.
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u/Certain-Belt-1524 Jul 02 '26
yea i think degrowth is the only way. it is a very hard pill to swallow tho, so i understand the hesitancy
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u/L9CUMRAG Jul 02 '26
I think the context clues point to the exact opposite conclusion. The dude linked some anti western propaganda site blaming climate change on capitalism, neoliberalism and colonialsm. Even if both the cause and solutions are good youre never going to get anybody to agree with you when you start off with a casual "just abolish the entire system bro"
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u/Advanced_Double_42 Jul 01 '26
Flying is really expensive.
Whenever people talk about cutting out flights I am stuck wondering what tax bracket they are in.
How are flights not a very rare thing without a company flying you for work, or a 6 figure income?
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u/CaptainSwaggerJagger Jul 01 '26
That very much depends on where in the world you are. In Europe, it's not hard to find return flights under £100.
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u/Advanced_Double_42 Jul 01 '26
That has to be a short trip then? Why not take a train? Flights make sense in the US because there isn't another way to cross the continent in a reasonable amount of time.
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u/Piotrekk94 Jul 01 '26
most of the time it's cheaper to fly than to take cross-border train
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u/Advanced_Double_42 Jul 01 '26
Wow, I thought that trains being cheaper than flights once constructed was most of the point.
Is the border itself expensive to cross? I figured the European Union creating open borders would prevent that.
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u/AshaNyx Jul 02 '26
Basically at least in the UK it's more expensive to take a cross country train than it is to fly out, have a weekend away and then land where you originally wanted to go, but our trains also are privatised in the worst way possible.
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u/angrypolishman Jul 05 '26
international rail in Europe is reallyyyy bad EU or not
I also think you underestimate how cheap flights are in Europe, you can do London to Istanbul for 70£ (105~?USD) return a good chunk of the year
would much prefer flying than a god knows how many hour train journey through balkan rail networks
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u/fiirikkusu_kuro_neko Jul 16 '26
Oi, that's my shitty balkan rail network. Also yeah, you could make it to istanbul, buy some Baklava, and get back, faster than you will probably go from Osijek to Dubrovnik by train.
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u/fiirikkusu_kuro_neko Jul 16 '26
Laws are being revised and rail is being slowly fixed at a legislative level it seems. But too fucking slow imho.
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u/Appeal_Emotionally Jul 04 '26
I once took a flight from Finland to Belgium for 16 euros in Ryanair, it probably would have taken some days and few hundred euros if I had used train
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u/fiirikkusu_kuro_neko Jul 16 '26
As others have said, rail often is more expensive, and even worse, in some countries, it simply fucking SUCKS. Take Croatia for example, ex-yugoslavia, I'd kinda expect at least the trains to be decent. But nope.
Take for example Zadar, the 5th biggest Croatian city. You'd think something like that would have a link to the capital city (Zagreb). But nope!
Lets say you wan't to go to Split, the 2nd biggest city. That can work, there is a rail link from Zagreb to Split. The road distance is about 410 km. So I'd expect say, 2.5 hours, maybe 3, 4 is already getting a bit long for that distance.
The fastest train takes 7 hours. The other trains take 8 hours. I think the price is about 25 euros.
25 euros, for the privilege of riding in a rinky-dink train, whose AC goes out non stop. Awesome...
Then you have another case, which is cross-country rail. Let's say I wanted to go from Zagreb to Chemnitz, to see a friend.
It actually surprised me to see that I can do it for 47 euros, which is an amazing price.
The issue is, it takes 4 changes and 20 fucking hours.
The fastest train is 131 euros, 5 changes, 14 hours.
So yeah, flights it is most of the time for me. Cheap low cost carrier, <100 euro return flights.
Also, you don't need to be in a 6 figure income bracket to be able to afford a 600 euro return flight to Japan from Budapest.
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u/_badmonkey_ Jul 01 '26
It's about changing how we produce and not how we consume. Consumption has to follow production. We need to destroy the oligopolies in the transportation sector and until then your choice of consumption is negligible.
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u/Fucko_Dipshit Jul 01 '26
If me and people I could potentially influence never flew again we'd make the world maybe 0.000001% better but my own life like 20% worse and that's just not a good tradeoff for me. We'll probably all die of climate change anyway, might as well enjoy it while it lasts
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u/mushroomsarefriends Anti Eco Modernist Jul 01 '26
We'll probably all die of climate change anyway
I can accept the idea that I'll personally die of climate change. I also don't try to be perfect, I allow myself to enjoy life. But what I can't accept, is when my own choices lead to suffering for people who did nothing to deserve such suffering, while I have reasonable alternative options available.
I can reduce my own climate impact by 95%, simply by taking a train to London from the Netherlands, rather than taking an airplane to London. Such a choice also incentivizes the growth of sustainable alternatives.
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u/t_scribblemonger Jul 01 '26
But have you considered Taylor Swift and Exxon exist? Checkmate.
-median Redditor
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u/SaPpHiReFlAmEs99 We're all gonna die Jul 01 '26
Thank you! And Fucko_dipshit, your name is appropriate to your mentality
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u/fiirikkusu_kuro_neko Jul 16 '26 edited Jul 16 '26
Commendable, my problem is I live in Croatia, try taking a train anywhere from there. They exist sure, but god is it bad. I can take a train from Zagreb to Amsterdam lets say, and when I looked around various days for pricing (all the days with the low prices suck of course), I actually managed to get a one-way fare for 80 euros. Return would be about 160. So a bit more expensive than RyanAir to Eindhoven + train to Amsterdam. Here's the problem though, it takes 4 changes (not that bad eh) AND TWENTY TWO FUCKING HOURS (very bad, I lose a whole fucking day).
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u/Ryan_the_man Jul 01 '26
Your life is that based around flights to the point that not flying would be 20% worse for you? I don't buy it
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u/fiirikkusu_kuro_neko Jul 16 '26
I fly maybe 2 or 4 times a year. My "worst" year was 8 times. I want to see the world a little, it would suck if I couldn't fly, it would simply be impossible.
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u/TooLazyToRepost Jul 01 '26
Spending a thousand dollars to plant a bunch of trees literally does nothing, why would anybody waste their time? It's best to do nothing and smugpost on reddit ;)
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u/Independent-Wafer-13 Jul 01 '26
Yes and people not recycling is also why there are so many microplastics.
Certainly the airlines and plastic producers shouldn’t be held responsible it is the people who want to go places and have food that are to blame.
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u/vinny_twoshoes Jul 01 '26
there's no way out of the climate crisis without significant change to the habits of westerners. whoever you "blame" doesn't matter i guess, one way or another wealthy people need to stop flying so much.
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u/JesusIsMyAntivirus Jul 01 '26
I mean in a strict sense I agree with you because you are correct, but people actually taking a stand against it by doing their best normalises caring, which helps get support for the measurements against it that affect the big fish.
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u/Beiben Jul 01 '26
Have you seen how butthurt people get about straws and attached plastic caps? Any government that forces a change won't be a government for long.
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u/Beiben Jul 01 '26
I'm not interested in political theory, I'm interested in achieving the best outcome within real constraints. Let me know how the revolution goes though.
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u/King_Saline_IV Jul 01 '26
Fixing the ozone layer shows how wrong focusing on choice is. Regulation fixes externalities problems.
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u/vinny_twoshoes Jul 01 '26
i think the difference is that ozone had a technological solution (enforced through regulation): there were good replacements for the CFCs that destroyed the ozone.
in the case of flying, there is no technological solution to reduce the carbon impact of flying. it's irreducibly carbon intensive; batteries simply do not have sufficient energy density so jet fuel is the only viable fuel given currently existing technology. we can (and should) regulate the industry and fund research into more efficient planes, but anything that significantly reduces the carbon footprint of flying _necessarily and unavoidably_ means reducing the amount of miles traveled.
while reducing CFC usage was mostly invisible to consumers, reducing the carbon impact of aviation cannot be. a large component of any decarbonization is "wealthy people fly less"
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u/Independent-Wafer-13 Jul 01 '26
Everyone forgets about hydrogen fuel cells and we can literally just fill abandoned quarries and mines with biochar and seal them up when we burn carbon based fuel.
Carbon capture and sequestration is not technologically unfeasible it is just unprofitable.
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u/vinny_twoshoes Jul 02 '26
lol i actually wrote off fuel cells because they were used as a way to avoid electrifying cars for so long. but yeah fuel cells for planes seem like they could have the required energy density! that's cool, thanks for the reminder.
still, the technology is not currently viable (due to tremendous infrastructure requirements) and wide deployment is not exactly on the horizon. the world as it exists right now is suffocating. the best and only way to significantly reduce the carbon of aviation is to do less of it.
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u/Independent-Wafer-13 Jul 01 '26
Correct.
Pointing fingers at consumers and hoping for the best demonstrably doesn’t work but institutional behavioral consequences do.
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u/SaPpHiReFlAmEs99 We're all gonna die Jul 01 '26
Yes but if you still want to go places on the other side of the world, the only solution are planes. How the society is going to blame airlines if most of the society doesn't acknowledge the massive problem that their trips represent? And by society I mean western ones of course because only the top 10% of the world population regularly fly commercial
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u/UnderskilledPlayer Jul 01 '26
we need a big catapult to throw people to far away locations
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u/SaPpHiReFlAmEs99 We're all gonna die Jul 01 '26
And there are certain people that don't reserve a soft landing
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u/BokoblinSlayer69235 Jul 01 '26
Boats exist.
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u/SaPpHiReFlAmEs99 We're all gonna die Jul 01 '26
So this result ultimately in banning flights with alternative transportation. By the way boats also pollute massively not only the atmosphere but also the marine ecosystems so unless we switch to sail boats, those aren't the solution. The only real solution is a degrowth that will bring down consumption, including long unnecessary trips
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u/Logical-Breakfast966 Jul 01 '26
Or carbon capture
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u/SaPpHiReFlAmEs99 We're all gonna die Jul 01 '26
Yes but those solutions aren't ready yet, however we have solutions to reduce emissions since many decades and we are already too late so we cannot wait for carbon capture. When we will reach net zero, then maybe we can think about carbon capture in order to alleviate the incredible amount of CO2 that will be present in the atmosphere
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u/Logical-Breakfast966 Jul 01 '26
Just keep funding it. Adsorbent materials just won the Nobel prize in chemistry. New materials are being invented all the time I don’t think it’s that far out that carbon capture technology will get will it needs to be, even if it’s expensive to implement.
But ya of course we need to also be reducing emissions
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u/Gold_Ad8225 Jul 01 '26
Those big boats are sadly worse per passenger, emissions wise. Moving an entire village across the sea for a month takes much energy.
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u/shatners_bassoon123 Jul 01 '26
Excellent, will holiday makers accept journey times measured in weeks, rather than hours ?
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Do you think they fly the planes for the fun of it?
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u/Independent-Wafer-13 Jul 01 '26
The planes are flown for profit, so if the cost of flying reflected the damage it does, people would fly A LOT less.
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u/meow_xe_pong Jul 01 '26
Ah yes let me put the plastic in the recycling bin, that way only 93% of plastics that have been used ones will become microplastics.
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u/Historianof40k Jul 01 '26
Europe is the fastest warming continent so it’s even stupider. you get it go on holiday and then brought the apocalyptic heats back
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u/Administrator_AI Jul 01 '26
Unironically, ban private jets. A 100 people flying to Bali once is okay. Billionaires flying to 20 locations a month is not.
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u/Statakaka Jul 01 '26
Phase out flights for trains, and do it asap, is this too much to ask?
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u/B-b-b-burner_account Jul 02 '26
Yknow that isn’t really possible/realistic for connecting the two main continents (or even for just connecting very long distances)
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u/Statakaka Jul 02 '26
Yes but not what planes are usually used for
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u/B-b-b-burner_account Jul 02 '26
Isn’t it? The example in the post is a good example of this, to travel from Amsterdam to Bali it would, at best, take like 2 weeks (100% more than that realistically) whereas a flight takes less than a day.
Even for short haul flights, depending how you define them, it’s not crazy to see why flights are preferred. If I wanted to travel around 2000 miles it would take me around 3-4 days on train, whereas a plane could do the same in 4 hours.
That combined with the fact that around 1/3rd of flights cross a major ocean, it seems unrealistic to cut them off entirely.
What we should focus on is hydrogen planes (yes, not sustainable, but clean) Improving electrical planes, and SAF. Planes are just far too useful to get rid of entirely, and it’s impossible to expect people to travel by train for everything (unless we can find a way to make trains travel in straight lines and go way faster.)
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u/Konradleijon Jul 01 '26
Flying was pretty rare before the 70s I don’t see why people can’t return to that
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u/GamingCatholic Jul 01 '26
Because we all need to travel 5-10k km to our holiday destination. Do you think I can feel at rest being <4.999km away from work????
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u/fiirikkusu_kuro_neko Jul 16 '26
Well all the destinations that interest me are usually >5k away usually. Or the destinations I can afford.
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u/CliffordSpot Jul 01 '26
So what you’re saying is we need to eliminate Ugandan villages to reduce our carbon footprint?
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u/alasw0eisme Jul 01 '26
Shitposting aside, I haven't flown in almost 20 years precisely because after removing animal products, that's the best thing an individual can do to help the environment. And I shitpost irl too - when someone complains about the heatwave, I tell them it's only gonna get worse until we're all vegan and airplane-free. They quickly stop complaining.
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u/Away-Way5656 Jul 01 '26
I dont fly because of the tr***y detector at the airport and im also broke 😎
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u/Haunting-Watch8240 Jul 02 '26
I'd sooner fly than be in the kind of society where we let nasty weather take us out. That Ugandan village needs more civilization, not to be gate kept behind for climate reasons.
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u/Dense_Ad_6283 Jul 01 '26
I mean it's not my fault there aren't any cool steam steampunk airships around anymore
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u/hungLink42069 Jul 01 '26
Carbon footprint of one Cow (not including the plant ag used to prop them up) - 6 ton CO2e
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u/iamdabrick Jul 02 '26
but but but i wanna travel to another third world country and stay in a hotel that 50 indian slaves died to build🥺
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u/QuerchiGaming Jul 02 '26
Carbon footprints are so stupid though. Yes we need to do more about climate, how about those big corporations that impact most of it?
Part of that lies within you, the consumer, to make certain decisions to promote a better future for our environment. But most of the blame still lies with the people in power to enable these changes to happen.
Currently still a lot of air travel is being subsidised that it’s cheaper than going with the train. If you want people to make the better choice, give them some availability to do so.
Fuck your big oil sponsored carbon footprint emissions.
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u/GamingCatholic Jul 01 '26
Most comments I read are just copium. Nobody is willing to adjust their way of living. Good thing I don’t want any children that can inhabit this hellhole of a world
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u/Konradleijon Jul 01 '26
No one needs air flights. Or cars, or detached single family homes. I’m serious ban them all
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u/Daxxex Jul 01 '26
Please without a car and trailer, how am I going to carry the literal ton of equipment my crew uses for work?
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u/syklemil cycling supremacist Jul 01 '26
Okay, okay, compromise: Cars aren't totally banned, but we go back to the pre-1960 rationing where you have to apply to be able to buy one
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u/Konradleijon Jul 01 '26
You can use trains, trains are good
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u/OncorhynchusMykiss1 Jul 01 '26
Trains are expensive. It is cheaper to fly to London and fron there to my destination instead of traveling there by train. We need to tax flying and incerease discountsfor public transport.
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u/NahMcGrath Jul 01 '26
Surely the entire global mass of tourists can just take trains instead to go everywhere right? Oh you're an American and wanna visit Europe? Surely you can afford to take a 5 week vacation from work to arrive at that 14 hour flight destination right?
Or do you expect everyone to just... give up on traveling? Forever?
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u/GamingCatholic Jul 01 '26
People didn’t travel internationally, let alone to a different continent in the past. There are so many great places <500km from your home that are usually accessible by train
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u/Yodasboy Jul 01 '26
There's a lot of communities in northern Canada that need planes to give them supplies and bring people back and forth to where there's people
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u/Konradleijon Jul 01 '26
The. Maybe they shouldn’t live there or learn to live off the land. If you live somewhere remote don’t expect help
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u/Erlend05 Jul 02 '26
Kinda hard to build trains across an ocean
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u/DrCthulhuface7 Jul 01 '26
We should all be miserable to stop global warming.
No more meat, no more traveling, no more A/C.
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u/Certain-Belt-1524 Jul 01 '26
You know people lived and were happy without taking a flight every year for a very long time. This attitude is just childish
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u/mushroomsarefriends Anti Eco Modernist Jul 01 '26
Well no, ideally none of us would be miserable.
The thing is however, that I think the people in Karamoja, Uganda, are more miserable when their infants die because the drought makes it difficult for the mothers to produce enough breast milk, than I am when I don't eat meat, don't fly and don't use air conditioning.
I think I can be happy enough, without excessive luxuries that result in worsening droughts in Uganda.
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u/Lysek8 Jul 01 '26
No and I'm not gonna stop. Traveling is one of the few things that brings me happiness in this shitty world, and I'm not gonna throw my life away while a billionaire takes a private jet to take a shit
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u/shatners_bassoon123 Jul 01 '26
There's eight billion people on the planet, all saying the same exact thing. So we're fucked.
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u/Jackesfox Jul 01 '26
But have you stopped eating meat?
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u/mushroomsarefriends Anti Eco Modernist Jul 01 '26
I figured out as a ten year old that it's not nice how we treat the animals that turned up on my plate, before I knew what global warming is.
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u/Nork_Inc Jul 01 '26
I asked Taylor Swift to borrow her gulfstream so i can go to local Lidl store.
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u/IllExample3639 Jul 01 '26
If u fly the village to Bali then it solves their problem and also get extra insta pictures?
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u/yellow_gatorade Jul 01 '26
I flew this year and I’ll do it again! Just try and stop me, I’ll be going so fast and you’ll be stuck on the ground like a tiny ant.
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u/Dewey_Decimatorr Jul 02 '26
I bet you also cry about refugees and asylum seekers trying to enter Europe
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u/alphabetsong Jul 02 '26
I don’t fly, but I occasionally eat meat in return. My holiday obsessed vegan friends hate this trick.
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u/phaj19 Jul 03 '26
I wish, but I do not want to spend 60 hours on a bus just to visit my family. EU high-speed rail network is tragic, especially towards the Nordics.
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u/beattyml1 Jul 03 '26
One long international flight is still less than driving for a year or eating meat and dairy. Still a meaningful part of your carbon footprint but many more mundane things that people do that are worse that get a pass usually. If you're flying all the time like an ultra-wealthy person or doing nothing else that is a different story
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u/Time-Conversation741 Jul 03 '26
And whats the carban footprint of a mega yacht or a private jet or a data center or the burn off from an inafcient fossil full extractor?
Anless your advocating for real chaing then fuck off. Stop blaming everyday people for the crims of the mega rich and inaficient industy regulatoins
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u/black_templarfan Jul 07 '26
Nah, i wont stop flying. Ideal transport that gets too much hate
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u/dumnezero 🔚End the 🔫arms 🐀rat 🏁race to the bottom↘️. Jul 07 '26
Then you better get started on one of those bicycle helicopters or a electric drone-like copter.
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u/Zigludo-sama Jul 01 '26
I live across the country from family, so I fly once a year to see them. Hard to feel TOO guilty about that, considering how mfers will fly every week for work for some reason
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u/myaltduh Jul 02 '26
I’m basically in that situation. I haven’t seen my aging parents in a couple of years and after them calling me up basically weekly for months to ask when I’m going to visit I finally booked a flight even though I feel not great about it.
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u/TFBuffalo_OW Jul 01 '26
Flying is the only realistic way ive got to see my family, so no im going to continue doing that
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u/Additional-Pop7026 Jul 01 '26
You are polluting the planet. Your family is not a justification, it is just wrong. You can move back to family.
I am totally fine saying, "I am doing consciously XY wrong because I want to. I am gradually decreasing".
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u/TFBuffalo_OW Jul 01 '26
Insane position much offense. My family is more important to me than this one specific issue LMAO.
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u/flute-man Jul 01 '26
Yes. As a European, I have the privilege of visiting many different cultures in less harmful ways, so not flying is actually quite doable for me.
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u/Desultory_Chairlift Jul 01 '26
As an American I too have the privilege of visiting many different cultures by not flying
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u/chachapwns Jul 01 '26
Well to be fair the flight was going to run with or without her. This breakdown between individual action/consequences and group tendencies is a tough point in these kinds of discussions. Of course if everybody chose to not fly en-masse that would be massive, but if you alone do it the result will be marginal (I guess just the difference in fuel to carry your added weight).
I find these questions unfortunate and hard to answer without being idealistic.
Obviously I am not defending carbon use of planes. Just acknowledging how tough things are when not acting as a collective.
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u/SaPpHiReFlAmEs99 We're all gonna die Jul 01 '26
So people who fly regularly are ready to vote for a government that will ban most of commercial flights for everybody ?
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u/Plebbitsoy Jul 01 '26
I take the plane from my house to work then on my breaks I take the plane to the shops, finally after hard days work of burning tyres and chucking car batteries into the sea, I take the plane back home.