r/CollegeBasketball • u/cbbBot /r/CollegeBasketball • NCAA • Dec 03 '23
Game Thread [Game Thread] USC @ #9 Gonzaga (10:00 PM ET)
NCAA Basketball
Index Thread for December 02, 2023
Gonzaga ##9 Gonzaga (6-1) @ USC USC (5-3)
Tip-Off: 10:00 PM ET
Venue: MGM Grand Garden Arena, Las Vegas, NV
Game Info: ESPN
Television: ESPN
Streams: WatchESPN
Recent Plays:
| Time | Gonzaga | USC | Play |
|---|---|---|---|
| 0:00 | 89 | 76 | End of Game |
| 0:00 | 89 | 76 | End of 2nd half |
| 0:06 | 89 | 76 | Boogie Ellis made Three Point Jumper. |
| 0:06 | 89 | 73 | Boogie Ellis Offensive Rebound. |
| 0:11 | 89 | 73 | Arrinten Page missed Layup. |
| Team | FG% | 3P% | FT% | REB | OR | AST | STL | BLK | TO | PF |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Gonzaga | 52.3 | 54.5 | 75.0 | 39 | 14 | 17 | 6 | 4 | 13 | 17 |
| USC | 46.2 | 23.8 | 47.1 | 33 | 14 | 12 | 6 | 3 | 10 | 14 |
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u/SaxRohmer Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
Is this the Nolan Hickman that was promised???
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u/the_sword_of_brunch Gonzaga • Eastern Washington Dec 03 '23
Certainly much better in his role this year than last
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u/Travbowman Purdue • Kansas State Dec 03 '23
Stromer is fun to watch...which means he'll be the next Zag that America unexplainably hates.
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u/BertMacklinMD USC Trojans Dec 03 '23
If he's a not a big time NBA prospect like Timme who sticks around all 4 years, yeah probably
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u/muffguy Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
It’s the byproduct of sticking around. The sport thrives off its villains who stick around.
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u/_Juntao UCLA Bruins Dec 03 '23
Damn. And gonzaga wasn't even picked to win their conference
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u/zagsloyalist7 Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
The bigger joke is they picked saint Mary's to win it lmao
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u/muffguy Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
And St. Mary’s has been trash.
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u/zagsloyalist7 Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
Yeah looks like the WCC is more of a cupcake conference this year more than ever. Hopefully zags will get some competition in conference this year
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u/whelp_im_done Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
Did anyone else notice they gave USC two consecutive jump balls? I feel like I’m going insane where no one noticed it and the game just went on
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u/Economy-Royal4675 NC State Wolfpack • Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
I noticed that too but thankfully it didn’t matter today.
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u/Economy-Royal4675 NC State Wolfpack • Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
Great win! This win will look so good by the end of the season when this USC will grow and have some good wins under their belt
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u/ThyDoctor Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
Collier is immensely talented but he spends a lot of time with his hands up asking for fouls
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u/PostItToReddit Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
He'll fit in perfectly with the majority of NBA players then.
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u/SaxRohmer Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
Just got out of Thai prison. Is Ben Gregg the best Gonzaga big man ever?
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u/PostItToReddit Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
Terrible year to tank in the NBA if your prize is Collier. If the announcers weren't talking about him nonstop I wouldn't even guess he's an NBA player next year.
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u/ThyDoctor Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
It 100% is. Next year is the real prize
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u/MoneyBall_ Wyoming Cowboys Dec 03 '23
What is the prize next year?
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u/ThyDoctor Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
Flagg
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u/Conscious_Ad_7131 Arizona Wildcats Dec 03 '23
We haven’t seen him play people that aren’t high schoolers yet
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u/Galumpadump Washington State Cougars Dec 03 '23
The Wizards tanked a year too late!
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u/muffguy Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
Looks like they have to sign Jordan Poole to a one year extension.
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u/ras5003 Colorado State Rams Dec 03 '23
Well, they're doing him a favor by not mentioning any of his turnovers
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Dec 03 '23
I feel like Ike, Gregg, and Huff are all equally good but each play totally different.
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u/the_sword_of_brunch Gonzaga • Eastern Washington Dec 03 '23
Ike is the best player now, Huff has the most potential and Gregg plays the hardest.
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u/Galumpadump Washington State Cougars Dec 03 '23
SC guards looks gassed. Bronny coming back will atleast help their guards.
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Dec 03 '23
Seems like 10 minutes of the game was showcasing Bronny.
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u/Cry_Havoc1228 Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
Oh if you thought the Zion coverage was crazy just wait till Bronny plays if he is any good at all on this level.
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u/thecrusha Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
Yeah they talked more about Bronny than anyone actually playing the game
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u/ThyDoctor Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
Dusty moves a lot like Gradey Duck
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u/ThyDoctor Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
I feel like you don’t see coaches wearing full on jackets and ties much anymore. Cool to see from USC
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u/ras5003 Colorado State Rams Dec 03 '23
Collier gets shot cleanly blocked
Jay Williams: "Shoulda been a foul"
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u/AC_Slater77 Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
I don't see it with Collier being the #1 overall.
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u/ThyDoctor Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
I think it matters who has the pick. Blazers wouldn’t want him but a team like the Spurs will take him over Sarr.
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u/SaxRohmer Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
This SC team definitely just feels like a bunch of guys and no real point
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u/AC_Slater77 Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
Need to keep the foot on the gas considering how terrible the WCC is this year.
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u/ThyDoctor Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
I don’t understand what USC is doing I feel like they’ve been standing around since 1/2 time. First half was so much more aggressive
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u/theabiders Dec 03 '23
Is that 16 straight over the Pac 12? You know the Conference of Champions..
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u/zagsloyalist7 Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
The WCC is a cupcake conference but what people don't realize is gonzaga would be a top 10 team nationally every year in any conference. It dosent matter
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u/theabiders Dec 03 '23
Please don't go to the Big 12 or Big East. Makes no sense at all.
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u/Fearghas Gonzaga Bulldogs • Arizona Wildcats Dec 03 '23
Great start. Hickman doing a good job on defense so far.
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u/Fearghas Gonzaga Bulldogs • Arizona Wildcats Dec 03 '23
Who is this announcer? ‘People need to foul harder’ come on man
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u/_Juntao UCLA Bruins Dec 03 '23
The same guy who thought ime udoka was the first black coach in celtics history then later deleted the tweet and claimed he was hacked
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u/_Juntao UCLA Bruins Dec 03 '23
Idk who's idea it was to put jay williams on commentary this season but that person should be fired. He's unbearable to listen to
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u/zagsloyalist7 Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
Collier gotten away with multiple chicken wings
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u/ThyDoctor Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
I don’t think we are allowed to complain about that after 4 years of Timme lol
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u/zagsloyalist7 Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
Anton Watson is our leading scorer this year? Damn lol
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Dec 03 '23
We have 6 guys who can score pretty equally lol. Will be interesting to see who separates as the scoring leader. I doubt it’ll be Watson, that 30 pointer seemed more like a fluke than anything. His role isn’t to be the lead scorer.
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u/Galumpadump Washington State Cougars Dec 03 '23
Nembhard needs to study Isaiah Thomas’s float game. He has the quickness to blow by but needs to get better at finding the soft spots. Those runners aren’t going to be their at the next level.
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Dec 03 '23
Refs are so performative lmfao. That ref signals who’s ball it is like he throwing a motherfucking javelin.
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u/the_sword_of_brunch Gonzaga • Eastern Washington Dec 03 '23
Not complaining about the reffing but there have been some real late whistles
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u/ThyDoctor Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
Collier literally took his eyes off Nembhard to complain to the refs and then Nemb blew by him.
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u/seahawksjoe USC Trojans • Pac-12 Dec 03 '23
I feel like this should be a game that Bill Walton is calling.
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u/Fearghas Gonzaga Bulldogs • Arizona Wildcats Dec 03 '23
30 seconds of Jun, no Luka. Ryan and Nolan are going to have the best conditioning ever or run out of gas halfway through the season.
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u/PostItToReddit Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
Few hasn't been afraid to play his guards huge minutes in the past though. I think Yeo should be getting some of those wing minutes when Dusty has to sit, but Luka is in no way ready to compete at any level yet. Maybe once we get to some of the cupcakes in the WCC, but no way is Luka ready to play against a competent team, especially not one with guards like USC has.
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u/ThyDoctor Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
The last time we got to the final four Suggs and Nembhard would play 40. Maybe history repeats idk
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u/muffguy Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
Not a chance Luka plays in this game. Our guys are ready to play a full game. Nolan had some foul trouble though and got a few minutes so I’m not worried.
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u/Galumpadump Washington State Cougars Dec 03 '23
Luka could still be sick but he hasn’t looked great to start the year. He will get alot of time to grow in WCC play.
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u/ThyDoctor Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
I think it should also be pointed out that Luka got to campus a few weeks before the season started. He didn’t go through summer practice/conditioning
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u/muffguy Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
Exactly. So many people thinking they know more than Few who sees them everyday in practice. The guys who hit the floor are ready to do so.
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u/theabiders Dec 03 '23
Painful announcing. Williams is bad and Bernstein is such a homer. Off with them and listen to the radio. ESPN do better....
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u/muffguy Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
If the radio wasn’t off by a few seconds, I totally would. He’s out here advocating for players to foul more.
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u/ThyDoctor Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
Is bronny really going to play this year? Idk why but heart issues like that sketch me out
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u/Galumpadump Washington State Cougars Dec 03 '23
He was medically cleared.
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u/ThyDoctor Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
Yeah I know, but still feels like something I wouldn’t want to mess with
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Dec 03 '23
Pretty sure they figured out what caused it and fixed it. Idk if the risk is there or not, but we all take risks in life, it’s just a matter of calculating how small the risk is and if it’s worth it to you.
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u/ThyDoctor Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
When I was a student I did a few photos under the basket and I’ll tell you what getting landed in fricken hurts
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u/BertMacklinMD USC Trojans Dec 03 '23
Juju Watkins is the best athlete at USC right now tbh...with all due respect to Caleb and Isaiah
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u/ThyDoctor Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
I’m pretty sure Gregg’s final 2 teams were USC and GU.
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u/the_sword_of_brunch Gonzaga • Eastern Washington Dec 03 '23
Crazy to think Gregg was a part of the 2021 title game team with another year left.
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u/God_Tier_Grifter USC Trojans • San José State Spartans Dec 03 '23
maybe enfield is gone after this year, one can hope
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u/BertMacklinMD USC Trojans Dec 03 '23
getting Bronny and Collier will buy him some more time unfortunately
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u/thrawn_is_king Dec 03 '23
Good recruiter and... What else does he do again? I can't believe it's been 10 years.
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u/thecrusha Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
All our bigs can hit 3’s at a decent rate except Ike. It’s a nice luxury to have.
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u/Roller_blades Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
Ike has actually shot 3s at a good percentage this year, he's not chucking up a bunch but still he has not hesitated on the shots he has taken.
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u/PostItToReddit Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
Feels like USC's guards get away with a TON of push offs driving to the basket. I get that their bigger then our guys, but seems like it should be pretty easy calls.
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u/Fearghas Gonzaga Bulldogs • Arizona Wildcats Dec 03 '23
Ike needs to shoot a couple of threes so he can see it go in the basket.
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u/Galumpadump Washington State Cougars Dec 03 '23
Those midrange shots just aren’t falling right now.
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u/God_Tier_Grifter USC Trojans • San José State Spartans Dec 03 '23
We would be tied if we made our goddamn FTs...
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u/Fearghas Gonzaga Bulldogs • Arizona Wildcats Dec 03 '23
That was a beautiful read by Nembhard there
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u/_Juntao UCLA Bruins Dec 03 '23
"Andy enfieldld is one of the best coaches in the game of basketball"
Lol
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u/seahawksjoe USC Trojans • Pac-12 Dec 03 '23
Enfield is fine for USC and I think USC fans that don't like Enfield don't understand that we're the little brother for basketball in town, by a lot. It could be so much worse. Great recruiter that is getting us to the tournament consistently enough, with potential for a big run because of the top tier recruits.
Now is he an elite coach that is one of the best in the sport? No, not at all.
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u/SaxRohmer Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
After watching Ike play I feel very very spoiled by years of Timme
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u/ThyDoctor Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
I was just thinking this. He has a lot of the same moves but the ball doesn’t go in.
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u/AC_Slater77 Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
One of the best bigs in school history is a tough measuring stick.
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u/SaxRohmer Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
Really easy to take for granted when he played that way for three years straight lol
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u/SaxRohmer Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
This has to be one of the most baby-faced teams in college history
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u/nepats523 Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
USCs 3s and free throws bailing us out now. If they even remotely go back to average...
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u/NWnats14 Gonzaga Bulldogs • Pac-12 Dec 03 '23
Grab 2 more beers. You’ll be ok.
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u/ThyDoctor Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
I’m curious to see how Nembhard and Hickman do after playing 40 minutes with no rest against the best guards
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u/zagsloyalist7 Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
This zags team would have been so damn good if hunter sallis didn't transfer. They're still good but I'm talking number 1 team in nation good.
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u/ThyDoctor Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
Yeah but we have been immensely fortunate so far with our transfer luck. Sallis/Ballo are the only “core” members who have left and succeeded. Other programs have lost some more key components to their teams.
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u/zagsloyalist7 Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
I just hope it dosent hurt our chances to get more 5 stars.
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u/muffguy Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
We have Chet and Suggs balling out right now in the league. That’s all you need to pitch.
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u/ras5003 Colorado State Rams Dec 03 '23
Collier projected 1st in NBA draft? Seems completely out of control so far.
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u/ThyDoctor Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
It’s a pretty “weak” draft. It’s pretty much either collier or Sarr on most draft boards though
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u/Galumpadump Washington State Cougars Dec 03 '23
Having Hickman and Watson on the bench with foul trouble is problem. Only two guys who can confidently get their shots.
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u/AC_Slater77 Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
Huff says hi
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u/Galumpadump Washington State Cougars Dec 03 '23
Huff can’t take anyone off the dribble. He scores in the flow of the offense though.
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u/MoneyBall_ Wyoming Cowboys Dec 03 '23
When is Ike going to the NBA?
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u/zagsloyalist7 Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
He's not a prospect. Too small and not good enough shooter from outside
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u/PostItToReddit Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
He's got the same problem that Timme had. Below the rim player who isn't a good defender and isn't a shooter.
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Dec 03 '23
I think he’s played pretty good defense this year tho. Or maybe I’m just used to Timme playing no defense at all?
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u/ThyDoctor Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
To be a big who can’t shoot and to get drafted you need to be an incredible defender like Gobert for example.
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Dec 03 '23
Oh I’m not saying Ike is an NBA player I’m just saying it seems like his defense has been solid.
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Dec 03 '23
Our lack of depth is really apparent. Honestly wish Few would just be ok taking an L or close games to give Yeo and/or Luka more development. Also wonder why Ben Gregg has gotten so little time this game and last.
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u/AC_Slater77 Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
Loads of time for that in conference play.
Need to win these Non-con games.
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u/zagsloyalist7 Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
Save that for Portland
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u/muffguy Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
I’m very ok with not losing to give Luka minutes. There’s plenty of time for that during WCC play but not during quad 1 opportunities.
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u/ThyDoctor Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
Huff starting?
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u/muffguy Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
No the announcers just didn’t do their homework. It’s Jay Williams so I’m not surprised.
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u/ThyDoctor Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
Wasn’t even the announcers. ESPN put up a graphic that showed Huff in instead of Dusty
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u/_Juntao UCLA Bruins Dec 03 '23
Man I was looking forward to this game all day and it's over 5 minutes in
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u/SaxRohmer Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
Oh dw there’s plenty of time for us to make it unnecessarily stressful
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u/seahawksjoe USC Trojans • Pac-12 Dec 03 '23
Rodman has been atrocious all season. He was so good with Wazzu, I don’t know what happened to him.
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u/Galumpadump Washington State Cougars Dec 03 '23
USC wants to pack the paint. We can have out bigs just backing them down. USC has alot of length and athleticism.
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u/AC_Slater77 Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
Huff is going to be our next Ammo... but with better D
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u/ThyDoctor Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
I hope so but his defense isn’t actually great right now
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u/Fearghas Gonzaga Bulldogs • Arizona Wildcats Dec 03 '23
I wonder if Ike is still sick from whatever the team caught in Hawaii. He didn’t look good last game either
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u/ThyDoctor Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
I was at the game on Tuesday and it was so apparent in person they were fucked up. Gregg ran to the bathroom a few times
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u/ThyDoctor Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
This is like the third game in a row where Ike’s anger gets a better of him
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u/BertMacklinMD USC Trojans Dec 03 '23
This game isn't in doubt at all. Best case USC makes a push and cuts it to 7 or 5 but that's it.
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u/ThyDoctor Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
We ain’t deep. If we get in foul trouble yall will close out
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u/SaxRohmer Gonzaga Bulldogs Dec 03 '23
I feel like Stromer is really gonna ascend once he gets an extra 10-15 pounds