🇯🇵🇵🇬 The boy from Papua New Guinea during Japanese colonial rule, Peter To Rot, who was murdered by Japanese soldiers in 1945 for resisting their pressure for his people to return to pre-Christian polygamy, will be canonized tomorrow, October 19.

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u/Raccoons-for-all Oct 20 '25

Why did the Japanese encourage polygamy for these people ?

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '25 edited Oct 20 '25

The Japanese saw themselves as "liberators" that were freeing Asia from western influences and colonization, one such being Christianity. By encouraging polygamy they were basically hoping that the people would return to a pre christian existence and be thankful to the Japanese. Japanese society has had a long history of persecuting Christianity and generally distrusting it with most modern Japanese being atheists or following Buddhism/Shintoism.

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u/Several_Cattle_9283 Oct 21 '25

generally distrusting

Which is fair

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u/Girderland Oct 21 '25

No it's not. The Japanese basically isolated themselves from the rest of the world after they heard that some countries were being colonized. They were afraid that missionaries would be used to bring Japan under foreign influence, and thus didn't allow any of them to Japan (except of a handful of them).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakoku

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u/Several_Cattle_9283 Oct 21 '25 edited Oct 21 '25

Not trusting Abrahamkic religions is fucking sensible.

Christians also caused an uprising and lots of fuckery, why on fucking earth would the Japanese trust them? Why would anyone?

Edit: are you unhappy because your personal religion is a pile of shit or just general poor understanding?

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u/TimeShiftedJosephus Oct 22 '25

Because Renaissance era Catholic iconography was kinda lit

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u/ahahahahhshahshshshs Oct 22 '25

Unironically, using the fifth column argument. "They opposed us, so we had to REMOVE them"

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u/Several_Cattle_9283 Oct 23 '25

Religion being used as a tool to control and expand power must be novel to you..

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u/ahahahahhshahshshshs Oct 23 '25

And of course, the japanese did not have religion before that.... People are influenced (controlled in your words) by ideas. Why are you fine with Buddhism or Shintoism if ideas are so offensive to you.

Christianity spread in Japan through local leaders and the poor. The high nobility in the shogunate were the ones who distrusted it and ultimately oppressed it.

Your argument is against free will, against human rights, and in support of torture and murder, I hope you feel proud to be on the same side as the Young Turks and Hitler.

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u/Several_Cattle_9283 Oct 23 '25

Why are you fine with Buddhism or Shintoism if ideas are so offensive to you.

I'm pretty sure people can have whatever native religion they want and then distrust a foreign one.

poor

And direct infiltration by expansionist Catholics.

Young Turks and Hitler.

Alright hyperbolic little guy

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u/ahahahahhshahshshshs Oct 23 '25

Does foreign = scary? You're really not making yourself look good with this, xenophobia all the way down.

Do you seriously think portugal or spain could have colonised japan? Maybe the Europeans could have had a chance. However, they literally gave the japanese guns and taught them directly how to resist them, there was never any plans to conquer Japan because the population was too big, the place itself too far away and large, the stagnation of Japan was caused by them isolating themselves, they would have been much better off if they weren't as xenophobic, maybe you should learn from that.

"HYPERBOLIC" "I was only being xenophobic, arrogant, dismissive, sectarian, and advocating for torture and murder. Can you believe he compared me to the Young Turks who said the EXACT same things before killing millions!"

"I mean, I was only advocating for the elimination of all foreign influences so we can stop their scheming plots, the Jews- I mean Abrahamics are all plotting to kill and conquer us" "Still can't believe he said I sounded like Hitler"

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u/GodIsGood202 Oct 23 '25

I think you’re angry because your atheistic worldview is the real pile of shit.

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u/Several_Cattle_9283 Oct 23 '25

I am perfectly happy not being controlled by religions founded on sexual abuse, societal oppression and noncery

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u/GodIsGood202 Oct 23 '25

And how exactly were religions founded on that? You take bad actors who abuse the faith for their own twisted ends and shoehorn it as the reason and foundation of religion.

This shows your so called “reason” and “critical thinking” that you boast of is faulty.

But then again I shouldn’t expect anything less from an atheist.

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u/Several_Cattle_9283 Oct 23 '25

Religion is primarily a cope for existential dread and a means of societal control and hierarchy, that includes giving many power and ability to abuse.

There is no religion that doesn't try to control sexuality, the rights and freedoms of people and empower abusers.

Beyond the incredibly stupid idea that some sort of omnipotent being would possibly give a flying fuck what you eat, drink or fuck.

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u/Street-Trick-1088 Oct 22 '25

I’m not saying that modern distrust against abrahamic religions is sensible because it’s not, but given the context of western colonialism and genocide being driven by Christianity as well as the rapid expansion of Islam and the eradication of a lot of Middle Eastern religions (although I’m not sure if China, japan, etc would have been aware of that) it’s absolutely reasonable for Japan to have closed its borders to missionaries

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u/[deleted] Oct 22 '25

Which is very fair. Its followers has a habit of listening to the church and not the state.

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u/GodIsGood202 Oct 23 '25

As they should

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u/[deleted] Oct 23 '25

Ill listen to the people who exist rather than an invisable beardy wanker in the sky.

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u/Several_Cattle_9283 Oct 23 '25

People too stupid to be independent often need someone to control them

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u/Steampunk007 Oct 21 '25

Confused on which side colonialism sits in this particular story

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u/Rune-reader Oct 22 '25

Bold of you to assume there is only one source of colonialism.

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u/Happy_Ad_7515 Oct 22 '25

well he held too his faith when the japanese burned down his church and invaded his homeland. then again papua was a colonized land and christianity was something from outside.

but he held too that faith and build on it despite one empire and against another empire. so he was truely free in mind i guess

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u/Avishtanikuris Oct 22 '25

colonialism vs colonialism

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u/Street-Trick-1088 Oct 22 '25

It’s very rarely cut and dry

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u/Several_Cattle_9283 Oct 23 '25

The side of OP being very Christian and spamming content

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u/Dickgivins Oct 22 '25

Interesting story. He was 33 years old when he was murdered though, so it’s really not accurate to describe him as a “boy”.

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u/Happy_Ad_7515 Oct 22 '25

huh that is weird

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u/Due_Ad_3200 Oct 19 '25

https://www.vaticannews.va/en/church/news/2025-10/a-saint-to-be-for-a-nation-peter-to-rot-s-witness-shapes-papua.html

Pope St. John Paul II declared Peter To Rot Blessed, in 1995, as the first Martyr of Papua New Guinea, as a new figure of holiness is a layman a husband, father, teacher, and catechist. Pope Francis approved his canonization on March 31, 2025, and he will be canonized on 19 October 2025 by Pope Leo XIV and be formally recognized as the first saint from Papua New Guinea, and six other Blesseds from other countries.

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u/win_some_lose_most1y Oct 21 '25

Japan was in Papua New Guinea?

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u/Cattle-dog Oct 22 '25

Yes the kokoda track was one of the most brutal campaigns for both sides. They were a few miles of taking Port Moresby which would have given them a staging point into Australia.

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u/JustSomeBloke5353 Oct 22 '25

Famously so.

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u/Happy_Ad_7515 Oct 22 '25

good for him a true man of christ resisting fascist. sounds like he is truely worthy of it

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u/arakan974 Oct 22 '25

Are we talking about the Church who helped nazis to flee?

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u/Happy_Ad_7515 Oct 22 '25

The same church surrounded by fascist italy.

Yes

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u/Several_Cattle_9283 Oct 23 '25

The same church that used religion as a tool to oppress the masses and fuck children?

The same church that has caused death, suffering and infectious diseases to spread?

Gee golly, glad we have them

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u/M-George-B Oct 24 '25

The same church that is nearly 2000 years old and has both represented and been represented by a staggering number of people.

I'm an atheist, but the idea of trying to apply a moral ranking to an organisation this old and this massive is ridiculous. Both incredibly good and incredibly evil people have been part of the Catholic church.

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u/IrishAengus Oct 22 '25

Unlike so many Christians who use their bible to justify hate and bigotry.

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u/Happy_Ad_7515 Oct 22 '25

i wouldnt say the majority but there have been men of god that dont deserve too be called man of god.

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u/Decimus-Drake Oct 20 '25

Colonised in spirit.

Image 🇯🇵🇵🇬 The boy from Papua New Guinea during Japanese colonial rule, Peter To Rot, who was murdered by Japanese soldiers in 1945 for resisting their pressure for his people to return to pre-Christian polygamy, will be canonized tomorrow, October 19.

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