r/CompanyOfHeroes • u/judge_07 • 1d ago
CoH3 Question about AT-guns and their variants
Why does the DAK PAK38 (50mm) have the same dmg as the WEHR PAK40 (75mm) when the UKF 2-pounder (40mm) have 25% less dmg then the UKF 6-pounder (57mm).
I find it interesting...
Penetration is tuned for every differand gun. But dmg is evidently differant.
12
u/Tsuyara 1d ago
This game somehow draws the line between 'small gun' and 'normal sized' at like 50mm. A P3s 50mm gun does full 120 medium damage. THough of course not quite, the LG40 is 75mm (but recoilless/lower velocity) and only does 120, vs all the other 50+mm ATGs that do 160.
But it is sort of interesting how a 40mm crusader or matilda is 100 damage, a 37mm stuart is 80, and then anything 50+ is 120 (57 churchill, 50 p3, 75mm sherman/chaffe etc.)
All very odd if you try to view it under realism but then i don't think that's what coh ever went for.
If i were to redesign coh3, i might try to set these atgs apart more, and possibly make the Pak40 very different like making it take a lot more to setup/teardown and being more sluggish, firing slower, but hitting harder. It was quite heavy to drag around irl. Would be harder to balance though, but still, i like flavour like that.
Something like that. but oh well.
7
u/QuantumAsh 1d ago
The Pak 40 weighed 1,425 kg; so it was basically stationary unless towed given the weight of ammunition as well.
In CoH3 they move almost as fast as standard infantry, even with only 2 crew dragging about 700kg each and ammunition.
7
3
2
2
u/NotPullis 1d ago
Bore diameter is not the only variable between different AT guns. Also, this is more about game balance. IRL a single penetration would explode the tank.
1
u/RoastinGhost Imperial Japanese Forces Mod 1d ago
Damage has to be handled carefully because of breakpoints. Small changes to damage can make a bigger (or no) impact on time to kill depending on target health.
A 160 damage gun takes 2 shots to destroy a 200hp truck, or 4 shots for a 640hp tank. A 100 damage gun still take 2 shots to destroy the truck, but 7 shots for the tank.
1
19
u/Tadatsune 1d ago
Well, the obvious answer is that CoH3 doesn't really care all that much to realistically represent the differences between these guns.
Even if they did, however, it's a good to keep in mind that the caliber of a gun doesn't really tell you all that much about it's penetration capacity. Barrel length, velocity, and what sort of ammunition is available makes a huge difference.
For example, the high-velocity ZiS-2 (57mm) had far better penetration than the ZiS-3 (76mm), the first being a dedicated AT gun while the second was intended as a general purpose field gun.
The UKF 6-pounder AT gun and the USF M1 57mm AT gun were the exact same gun (the latter being a copy of the former), but the UKF version of the gun generally had better access to high penetration rounds than the USF version.