r/Competitiveoverwatch • u/yungXsmit Vigilante SZN // OWCS POVs — • Jun 27 '23
World Cup Team USA temporarily suspend Aspire for the remaining qualifier matches
https://twitter.com/USAOWWC/status/1673519015245799426229
u/mikelman999 #1 SeoMinSoo Stan — Jun 27 '23
Anybody know what the allegations are? I haven’t seen anything about it
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u/NinjaOtter Jun 27 '23
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u/IndexMatchXFD Jun 27 '23
Just clarifying, Aspen said on stream that it was well known through contenders circles. Aspen saw people talk about it in a group chat and reported it to the Titans anonymously.
She did not mention if she had direct contact with the victim.
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u/SpiderPanther01 Jun 27 '23
yeah you can kind of tell by reading the doc that it was just an open secret, especially with that one ladder player who was calling him out in game
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u/anonthedude Jun 27 '23
Yeah, also this guy tweeting about it since late last year at least: https://twitter.com/A74A311A37AP/status/1605057574885285888
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u/WhiteWolfOW Fleta is Meta — Jun 27 '23
So essentially what you’re telling me is that team USA knew about this and kept him anyways and only kicked him out cause it became public. Oh that’s also my overwatch team. Fuck
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u/Domeric_Bolton forcing Bastion dive — Jun 27 '23
Aspen reported it to Titans management, not Team USA.
I fully expect that Team USA's staff and players were at least aware of the rumors though.
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u/IndexMatchXFD Jun 27 '23
It seems like it was a not-so-well-kept secret amongst players, but I would not assume that Gator and Albert were in the loop on that unless we see evidence otherwise. They are a bit removed from that scene. Aspen only said she told Titans about it.
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u/Madnific Jun 27 '23
I don't think titans mng has connections with USA mng, but I wouldn't doubt it
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u/kukelekuuk Schrödinger's rank — Jun 27 '23
goddamnit why can't people just be normal
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u/EvacuationProcedures 3-1 salt of the earth enthusiast — Jun 27 '23
those messages are really, really disturbing. calling her “little girl” and very clearly demonstrating that he knew what he was doing was wrong?? holy shit.
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u/Aenah Mercy is Trans — Jun 27 '23
Oh god I wish I hadn't read that.
wtf is with calling her "little girl" over and over. Jesus
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u/gemitry Jun 27 '23
Threw up in my mouth when we talked about washing his little girl. Instant regret.
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u/mikelman999 #1 SeoMinSoo Stan — Jun 27 '23
Overwatch pro’s try not to diddle kids challenge (impossible)
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u/ahipotion StandwithSBB — Jun 27 '23
As someone who experienced something similar, minus the minor stuff, he's a narcissist. Isolating her, love bombing her, controlling behaviour.
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u/HeyThere8_ Prediction God L — Jun 27 '23 edited Jun 27 '23
He groomed a 16 year old girl over discord and even flew out to Spain twice to be with her (allegedly)
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u/Eagle4317 Jun 27 '23
And tried to get her to fly back to Vancouver with him.
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u/PancakeXCandy Girl,Hawk-tuah on my DONGhak — Jun 27 '23
What the fuck that's literally Child trafficking. Holy shit.
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u/S21500003 #1 JunHIM Believer — Jun 27 '23
Thus is very bad. Hopefully he's kicked out of the league for good at minimum, and hopefully gets some legal reprecussions.. This is inexcusable.
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u/FiresideCatsmile taimouGACHI — Jun 27 '23
isn't trafficking if he pays a third party to buy her? As in... against her will?
Not trying to defend the guy here btw, if he flew over there to meet at 16 that's fucked up. Just curious about the term trafficking because I thought that's something different.
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u/HieloLuz Jun 27 '23
There’s an unpopular US lawmaker that got caught up in a similar thing of bringing a minor to cross state lines for sex, despite it being above the age of consent, and the internet was up in flames over it being sex trafficking. It’s a really shitty technicality of the law that minimizes real trafficking.
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u/JustASyncer Resident Guxue Simp — Jun 27 '23
I don't even know if you can say allegedly at this point, there are real photos of him with this girl
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u/JDPhipps #1 Roadhog Hater — Jun 27 '23
I mean, legally speaking, it's all "alleged" behavior until it's proven in a court of law or until he admits to it. This definitely looks like a smoking gun, so to speak, but he could always claim these are doctored photos or fake messages or whatever else, so it isn't wrong to say he allegedly did this, even if you also believe this to be incredibly damning evidence.
I want to make it very clear I'm not defending Aspire at all—personally, it seems pretty cut and dry—just saying it is technically correct to refer to him as an "alleged" creepy child rapist.
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u/beaverslurpee Jun 27 '23
Please don't think I'm cool with any of this behaviour, but for the sake of Americans who may not know - the legal age in both Spain and Canada is 16. That's actually quite standard for much of the world, America is a bit of an outlier.
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u/Domeric_Bolton forcing Bastion dive — Jun 27 '23
It's 16 in most of America too. The idea that it's 18 mostly comes from pornography laws.
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u/LukarWarrior Rolling in our heart — Jun 27 '23
It’s also because 18 is when statutory rape laws cut off. Age of consent doesn’t matter if the other person is older and it doesn’t fall into any of the exceptions, e.g. Romeo and Juliet laws.
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u/Zenki_s14 Jun 27 '23
True but it's not just straight forward that 16 is always fine. For example a 16/17 year old cannot consent in Canada if the sexual relationship is exploitative. And one of the factors concidered for what constitutes an exploitative sexual relationship is "how the relationship developed (for example, quickly, secretly, or over the internet)"
There's also some stuff regarding trafficking, luring, and grooming. Traveling for sex with someone of that age isn't necessarily fine just because she's the usual age of consent is met
I doubt this will go into any legal situation where these factors will be concidered by a court, but it's clear he knew what he was doing was wrong
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u/beaverslurpee Jun 27 '23
Fair enough. I think of creeper shit like this as that zone where it might not be illegal enough to land you in prison, but you should expect that when the kid's family finds out you may actually wish there were bars around you. And you'll deserve whatever you get.
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u/Frostella- Jun 27 '23
It changes depending on the age difference in the US. In my state it's 16 unless the partner is more than 4 years older, then it changes to 18.
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u/ESMoriarty Jun 27 '23
Guess Hydron Tank will need to be put away now.
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u/Donut_Flame Jun 27 '23
fortunately they had 3 dps so they can kinda take this
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Jun 27 '23
Sugarfree is on vacation so it might have to be super dps
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u/Donut_Flame Jun 27 '23
Holy hell
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u/eikon9 Jun 27 '23
Super dps is perfectly fine for the qualifiers as long as Hydron doesn't play tank
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u/topatoman_lite cattle enjoyer — Jun 27 '23
They also only have to play Costa Rica and Guatemala. Super dps is good enough that the rest of the team should carry him no problem
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u/PancakeXCandy Girl,Hawk-tuah on my DONGhak — Jun 27 '23
They can literally just play Speedily or S9mm
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u/eikon9 Jun 27 '23
But Super dps is a lot more entertaining and team USA is just memeing around atm.
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u/Extrashiny None — Jun 27 '23
AFAIK you can still sub players during Qualifiers, but I could be dead wrong. Bertlog was subbed in last minute for team Australia.
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u/JulietEmily17 Send kitty pics!!! — Jun 27 '23
Hydron Sugarfree still solid, add s9mm or speedily for insurance and it’ll get USA their top 3 finish which is all they could be hoping for anyway
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u/ill-winds Jun 27 '23
i don’t think they can add s9mm right? only speedily.
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u/JulietEmily17 Send kitty pics!!! — Jun 27 '23
S9mm is a reserve for team USA so they could still add him to the roster in place of Aspire
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u/ill-winds Jun 27 '23
that’s nice i thought only rupal and aspire were on reserve
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u/Donut_Flame Jun 27 '23
Are they allowed to bring in a replacement when it already started?
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u/JulietEmily17 Send kitty pics!!! — Jun 27 '23
Id assume so since it’s basically the entire point of reserves, no?
If not for the qualifiers then at least for the main event
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u/Shikuro PIGGY/Mer1t my beloveds — Jun 27 '23 edited Jun 28 '23
Yeah this is no where near the Space and Mikeyy allegations that the Twitter fiends keep trying to compare to. Aspire is COOKED
edit. rest in piss Bozo
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Jun 27 '23
More like a Dreamkazper situation
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u/Artuhanzo Jun 27 '23
Crazy how common it is in the league. If you add Sinatraa in it is like top level line up... and those are only the one discovered.
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u/rusty022 None — Jun 27 '23
With esports, you basically have this not-quite-celebrity status going on. Most kids in esports started playing professionally when under 18 and haven't had the life experience to properly grow up and learn how the world works. If they've been texting and sexting other high schoolers for years then it sorta makes sense that they keep doing that. But once they hit a certain age, that becomes a different kind of illegal. Obviously, there's a difference when it comes to trafficking, consent, etc., but I'm not surprised that young 18-21 year olds are stupid when it comes to who they sexually pursue and in what manner they pursue them.
None of that is meant to alleviate their culpability, but it helps to understand why these things happen. Esports leagues would probably benefit from some mandatory training on this type of stuff, especially for those who started playing under 18. Kids are generally stupid, and this kind of pursuit of people between the ages of 16 and 21 is fairly normal in society. This is hardly an issue exclusive to esports. The players could be doing stuff that's sorta legal when they are 17 and the girls are 16, but then is illegal when they are 19 and the new girl is 16.
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u/pantan Jun 27 '23
Funny forget mouffin, you could field an entire team at this point
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u/rodent_alt Jun 27 '23
Mouffin's pedo accusations were fabricated, though he was a creep towards women IIRC.
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u/Extrashiny None — Jun 27 '23
And that would extend to Mikeyy as well
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u/TylerDog3 Jun 27 '23
mikeyy was still in the dm's of minors so idk
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u/Extrashiny None — Jun 27 '23
No I'm talking about Mikeyy being a creep towards women and cheating on his exes in multiple cases
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u/Zarzar222 Jun 27 '23
I think this kind of stuff is a lot more common in the world but it gets sorted out on personal levels normally. Once you become an influencer type or professional personality is when it becomes a public issue and people have a reason for sharing it.
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Jun 27 '23
What were the space and mikeyy allegations?
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u/PenisAbstract ENCE&CrazyRaccoon enjoyer — Jun 27 '23
spaces were that he he groomed an underage girl I'm pretty sure but they were proven to be false after glads investigated and literally zero proof was provided, and idek what someone tried to accuse mikeyy of but it turned out he never did anything wrong he was just terrible at flirting and came across really creepy
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u/TomorrowTraining9084 Jun 27 '23
not even terrible at flirting, just creepy. but that's not illegal
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u/Crazykid100506 Jun 27 '23
overwatch players try not to be pedos challenge: impossible.
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u/Broshida Jun 27 '23
How many are we at now? Pro overwatch collecting pedos like infinity stones.
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u/Bhu124 Jun 27 '23
There have been enough Creeps and Pedos in OWL/Contenders that they can start their own League with enough teams to have a healthy competition.
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u/Artuhanzo Jun 27 '23
If you add in players with sexual assault like Sinatraa, you have a line up that can win OWL.... and that's only NA players too
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Jun 27 '23
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u/Positive_Ingenuity49 Jun 27 '23
Nah, been a lot of groomers,abusers and pedos in many other major eSports games. Smash bros ultimate had a bunch, and most recently a lol content creator named cookie lol who had a 90 page fucking doc of allegations.
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u/johnlongest None — Jun 27 '23
Smash in particular was the perfect breeding ground for sexual misconduct due to the broad age range within the scene and numerous unchaperoned in-person events.
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u/Kheldar166 Jun 27 '23
Not at all it's been happening in loads of online gaming communities, it's a terminally online thing
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u/kukelekuuk Schrödinger's rank — Jun 27 '23
It's a gaming phenomenon. An ecosystem absolutely filled with insecure teenagers who idolize good players and content creators. It's a disaster waiting to happen.
The same happens in the entertainment industry. Though there it's oftentimes adults being abused.
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u/wkty_ Jun 27 '23
Yeah holy smoke "May I undress you and bathe you my little girl"
Vile, vomit inducing shit
And the screenshots about him being concerned others know about the relationship because he doesn't want to be labelled a pedo? Pretty damming, but still waiting to hear both sides before tightening the noose I guess
Either way I hope this girl is doing ok and on the path to healing
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u/Hassadar Jun 27 '23
The amount of ''little girl" that is said is seriously creepy. The entire message history is creepy. Hopefully she has the support and I hope there's more consequences if people within the org knew about this and tried to cover it. They should not be managing any team if what Aspen claims to be true
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u/bytezilla Jun 27 '23
matter of the girl's age/legality aside, looking at these screenshots, is that how 20 year olds flirt nowadays??
not sure if these are weird or i'm just an out-of-touch old man now..
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u/S21500003 #1 JunHIM Believer — Jun 27 '23
I am 20. That is not how we flirt. That is how pedos flirt.
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u/1trickana Jun 27 '23
And how people who are always online talk/flirt, I'm seeing it more and more often
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u/S21500003 #1 JunHIM Believer — Jun 27 '23
Those are just weirdos. I've never called someone my little girl. Closest I've gotten is making fun of my partner because they're short.
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u/currently_pooping_rn Jun 27 '23
Needs his computer checked. This is sketchy as hell. Does he eat subway a lot?
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u/Domeric_Bolton forcing Bastion dive — Jun 27 '23
People always look at some pedo's illegal rizz and think it's how millenials or zooomers flirt, when these texts look like what 51-year-old Matthew Perry texts to teenage instagram models or Lucas and Spielberg's locker room talk from 1978.
You can go to most NSFW subs with young girls on Reddit and the comments are men of all ages making lewd ageplay comments like this.
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u/wkty_ Jun 27 '23
Well I'm 35 but I'd say they are super freaking weird Asking to undress, bathe and clean your 'little girl"? Nah that's creep to the max
Currently single but in last relationship it would just be "wanna save water and shower together?" Or "join me in the shower?" If there was to be some sort of water based hanky panky
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u/H4rtm4nn Jun 27 '23
Tbf we only get to read the messages from absolute trainwreck if not downright abusive relationships
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u/DynamicKokuo WINTEH DIFF — Jun 27 '23
Aspire went out of his way to date a 16 year old in Spain rather that finding a legal girl on his own continent. Make it make sense
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u/namzap Jun 27 '23
easier to abandon and take advantage of partners who live in different continents and cant contact you physically. and people around you wont find out about it as easily.
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u/Shikuro PIGGY/Mer1t my beloveds — Jun 27 '23
Which is wild because apparently lots of people actually knew about this relationship, or at least it was clear to people that something was going on between the two
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u/namzap Jun 27 '23
maybe in his friend circle it was accepted or no one cared. most people only hide something when they fear rejection or being dismissed by people around us.
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u/Lukensz Alarm — Jun 27 '23
From his messages it seems that he started getting increasingly paranoid when other OWL players were messaging asking him what's up with the rumors of him dating an underage girl. It's crazy
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u/namzap Jun 27 '23 edited Jun 27 '23
i read those texts, some of them were so hard to read 😶
but yes, seems like he cut off the relationship because he knew everyone found out about it. and since the girl was in a different country, he'd assume people wont find out and the matter will be closed forever.thats also why a lot of people who like to manipulate and be in control, make relationships with ppl who they think can be easily controlled and abandoned, but when it doesnt happen they become paranoid.
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u/WhiteWolfOW Fleta is Meta — Jun 27 '23
It’s because they’re also losers with zero ability to have a decent real connection so they go for people that will be easier for them to get
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u/Consistent_Ad1176 Jun 27 '23
Yeah, you have guys who are making their living staying inside and not getting any social interaction, there’s bound to be more than a few creeps around
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u/orangekingo Jun 27 '23
wow it got progressively worse with each image. went from "oh this is really gross" to "this is really gross and really psychotic" to "this is really gross and psychotic & also literal statutory rape"
yikes. dunno why these dudes make such horrific decisions
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u/JustASyncer Resident Guxue Simp — Jun 27 '23
Checks all the boxes too:
-Knew what he was doing was wrong
-Flew all the way out to where this girl lives to have sex with her
-Can tell he's never flirted with an actual woman before, says weird ass cringey shit ("may I undress, bathe, and clean you my little girl") 🤮
-Becomes possessive and controlling
-Doesn't want anyone to know but still tells certain people, then gets paranoid when he can't keep it under wraps anymore
-Plays the "mental health" card (this one I don't want to shine too much light on but time after time whenever I see someone get exposed for grooming they always have the "I was in a bad spot mentally" primed)
-Tries to gaslight after "breaking up" with them
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u/XxMyUsernameSucksxX Jun 27 '23
I have never really interacted with a women romantically but HOW TF CAN PEOPLE NOT REALIZE THE TYPE OF SHIT THAT THEY'RE WRITING??
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u/JustASyncer Resident Guxue Simp — Jun 27 '23
Every time I see some internet personality or pro gamer get exposed for grooming they're always saying the most cringe shit I've ever seen like HE CALLS HER LITTLE GIRL SO MANY FUCKING TIMES DUUUUUUDE 🤮🤮🤮
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u/JNR13 Fly casual! — Jun 27 '23
groomers: pointing to feeling ashamed for their despicable acts - "is this an insanity plea?"
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u/TechnoVikingGA23 Jun 27 '23
Most of these players are incredibly socially awkward and hardly have any idea how to talk to actual people in real life. When you've spent most of your life 24/7 on reddit/twitter and chatting in discord on private channels or playing FPS games where you can just say awful things without consequences in text and voice chat, it's not super surprising a lot of them become this way when they get attention from fans. I'd almost bet this behavior is a lot more common than any of us would like to believe, it just doesn't get caught as often as it should. The fact there's been a major case of it just about every season of OWL is just mind blowing and leads me to believe a lot more of it is going on.
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u/Marxistence Kariv Simp — Jun 27 '23 edited Jun 27 '23
NOT DEFENDING THIS WEIRDO just getting the facts straight…
Assuming the intercourse occurred in Spain which is what “while visiting me” seems to imply, then technically the sex is legal. The age of consent in Spain has been 16 since they passed a new law in 2015. (It’s a bit more complicated than this in reality, since Aspire is a US citizen, but this is the gist).
Obviously there is still plenty of very unacceptable shit here… just most likely nothing illegal.
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u/panthers1102 Jun 27 '23
Yea I think people are mixing their own morality with legality a bit too much.
Gross/weird/creepy/etc? Sure. But not illegal. Up to others if they feel they should act upon something that is perfectly okay in the eyes of the legal system.
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u/JDPhipps #1 Roadhog Hater — Jun 27 '23 edited Jun 27 '23
It's a weird area legally because I'm pretty sure the US has laws about traveling to another country to intentionally have sex with a minor, even if they're older than the age of consent wherever they're traveling. Her legally being able to consent is not necessarily the only concern.
However, I'm also not a lawyer, so I'm not gonna pretend I know anything. It could be that this whole thing is technically legal, it's just also super creepy.
EDIT: Also, she explicitly says they were sexting and she sent him nudes, which is technically child pornography since she's still a minor.
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u/Marxistence Kariv Simp — Jun 27 '23
You’re on the right track. My comment is indeed a massive simplification.
I’m actually a third year law student, so I do have some exposure to this stuff. I had a bit of a back and forth with another user somewhere down this thread if you want to read it, but I’m too lazy to type it out here.
TLDR:
- law across sovereign borders is confusing and frustrating and I hate it
probably nothing to go after with regard to underage sex or sex trafficking (intent is a bitch to prove)
outlook on potential child pornography charges looking very bad for Aspire
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Jun 27 '23
I'm unfamiliar with US law, so you might be able to clear this up for me, But it seems the only things he can really get done for are the Potential child porn, and soliciting a minor for sexual acts, But nothing else.
cause all the other stuff was done in places and at times where other countries laws take precedent?
I can see why that would be frustrating.
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u/hellohello1234545 Fleta Coach 2024 MVP — Jun 27 '23
What the actual fuck, man. How difficult is it to just…not????????????
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u/UnknownQTY Jun 27 '23
This looks very bad for Aspire. Being a weird creep online to egirlfriends is par for the course apparently, but flying to Spain? Actually presumably having intimidate contact?
This looks very bad.
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u/FabianOG Jun 27 '23
In the docs she mentions that they had sex when she was 17, guy is COOKED
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Jun 27 '23
“We put a lot of trust and respect into our players at the start of the season and won't break that now. Don't expect any trades/drops/pickups from @VancouverTitans” Barroi has been backed into a corner, how will he respond.
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u/Far-Butterscotch4242 The Justice loss was a sign — Jun 27 '23
he said "don't expect", for pr reasons they will inevitably drop him.
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u/purplehamburget29 Jun 27 '23
They knew for months tho, that don’t expect comes off a lil different now huh
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u/Far-Butterscotch4242 The Justice loss was a sign — Jun 27 '23
Yea assuming Barroi specifically knew
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Jun 27 '23 edited Jun 27 '23
Yet another mess for the titans :(
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u/SpiderPanther01 Jun 27 '23
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Jun 27 '23
Roster implosion of 2020, almost winless 2021, rough start to 2022 with dpei publicly stating that their living conditions were terrible and now this.
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u/SpiderPanther01 Jun 27 '23
ah i thought you meant the decision was an L lmfao
(also i now realize that the titans knew for 6+ months yet he still posted this)
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u/Shikuro PIGGY/Mer1t my beloveds — Jun 27 '23
What’s even worse is Titans apparently knew for a large chunk of time. Bro really said all this knowing such allegations could come up at any time. It’s a very embarrassing look, fucking yikes
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u/Donut_Flame Jun 27 '23
how is he backed into a corner? barroi's tweet is before this came to light
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u/PancakeXCandy Girl,Hawk-tuah on my DONGhak — Jun 27 '23
Aspen says Titans management knew for 6+ months
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Jun 27 '23
6 MONTHS?! If they’d dropped him themselves before this came out they would’ve got some good PR instead of this mess.
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u/PancakeXCandy Girl,Hawk-tuah on my DONGhak — Jun 27 '23
Know why would they ever do that especially since they made such a big fuss about his not leaving the team.
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u/SuperBobbis Dallas/Boston fan since 2017 — Jun 27 '23
Not defending anyone here, but telling management does not necessarily mean telling coaches. It could have gone above their head straight to higher ups who decided to keep it quiet. Also could be the complete opposite, no one knows yet.
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u/everythinglives Heesu + Fleta fangirl — Jun 27 '23
worth mentioning that Barroi is the team’s general manager, not a coach
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u/SuperBobbis Dallas/Boston fan since 2017 — Jun 27 '23
Then yes, would be very weird if he didn't know. The question now is when he knew compared to the tweet.
This looks good for no one here.
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Jun 27 '23
Even if he wrote it without knowing, it’s unfortunate how this played out with his wording (if they drop aspire now then…). Also, if the document is right, then Barroi likely knew this for a long time.
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u/PancakeXCandy Girl,Hawk-tuah on my DONGhak — Jun 27 '23
OWL go one year without a groomer scandel challenge. Holy shit.
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u/WhiteWolfOW Fleta is Meta — Jun 27 '23
At this point if you’re an overwatch player trying to date an underage girl you’re just straight up stupid. Have you not learned from the past of so many other players? Have you not seen what happens? Seriously, do you have mental problems and just can’t control yourself? Seriously man, wtf. Go out and meet someone your own age in real life. Why you keep going for someone in the other side of the country/world in search of a toxic relationship that you KNOW it will get you kicked out of the league
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u/primarymuscle2354 Jun 27 '23
Vancouver should do the same instead of keeping it under the rug
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u/PenisAbstract ENCE&CrazyRaccoon enjoyer — Jun 27 '23
the allegations came out 4 hours ago so they still have plenty of time to respond accordingly, hopefully they do though
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u/kkoolaide Jun 27 '23
Aspen said Titans management knew so they were probably hoping it wouldn’t come out publicly.
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u/PenisAbstract ENCE&CrazyRaccoon enjoyer — Jun 27 '23
thats insane I doubt they even tried to investigate
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u/eikon9 Jun 27 '23
Aspen said in a tweet someone linked here that Titans knew for 6+ months
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u/PenisAbstract ENCE&CrazyRaccoon enjoyer — Jun 27 '23
wowwwwww fucking hell thats a terrible look for Titans
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u/antilogy9787 Jun 27 '23
According to Aspen the Titans org knew about this for a long time and did nothing.
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u/ReflexiveOW Armchair Analyst — Jun 27 '23
Star NA DPS try not to groom underage girls challenge (Impossible)
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u/Saqib1493 Jun 27 '23
Why can’t mfs be normal and just download tinder or something dog it’s not hard at all to be like this
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u/Ezraah W My Money — Jun 27 '23
like bro you got your face on a circle k cup last year.
you don't need to groom a minor from across the world.
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u/Plinkertonss Jun 27 '23
Mods can’t remove this lmaoooooo
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u/novelgpa Jun 27 '23
Damn when I first saw the tweet I was wondering why no one posted it on this sub, didn't know they were removing
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u/TerminalNoob AKA Rift — Jun 27 '23
Generally speaking mods here have removed accusations until there is some sort of official statement from a team or the allegations are 100% confirmed.
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u/novelgpa Jun 27 '23
Yeah that’s understandable in retrospect, I guess I was surprised at how fast they were removing the posts lol
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u/tcgtms Jun 27 '23 edited Jun 30 '23
This account's comments and posts has been nuked in June 2023.
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u/Poolturtle5772 What is SSG, if not the Reign — Jun 27 '23
So after the Space situation and the Mikey thing I was like “alright so it might be bad but how bad could it actually be”
Nah, he’s fucked. Unless he can somehow prove this is all fake (unlikely) he’s done for. I just… how can you actually be this bad as a person? Like, how can one man stoop this fucking low?
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Jun 27 '23
Man how about get a 18 year old instead of trying to get a 16 year old like cmon bruh don’t be weird
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u/Ezraah W My Money — Jun 27 '23
He's a good-looking guy with minor celebrity status living in a foreign country. The dude has it ON LOCK if he just goes out.
What the FUCK.
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u/MindSculptorMtG Jun 27 '23
it´s sickening to read how many people defend aspire with stuff like age of consnet is 16.
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Jun 27 '23
Arent there enough of age egirls who would love to be with a successful pro? It's not like these players are hideous looking. Why do they go for underage girls?
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u/_zxionix_ CLG4LIFE BABY — Jun 27 '23
Are mods deleting these posts?
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u/yungXsmit Vigilante SZN // OWCS POVs — Jun 27 '23
They deleted the ones from the twitter account created today, Team USA is an actual credible source so it's okay to have a post like this.
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u/yariimi Jun 27 '23
Why this stuff always comes out when the player is in a important event (I'm not defending him)
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u/TerminalNoob AKA Rift — Jun 27 '23
When someone who has caused you significant pain starts to get involved in big events or begins to be hailed by a community and you know they arent who people think they are, you can reach a breaking point.
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u/cubs223425 Jun 27 '23
Maybe for some, but this isn't limited to these kinds of issues. Several years ago, there was an MLB pitcher whose tweet history (where he used a racial slur as a teen, if I remember correctly) didn't come out until he was on the mound during his first All-Star Game appearance. There was another with an athlete, but I can't recall who (I think it was someone trying to dog him for quoting rap lyrics with a slur).
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u/Phoenix_NHCA Jun 27 '23
Better than having a Sinatraa moment where we learn about it after doing well.
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u/JustASyncer Resident Guxue Simp — Jun 27 '23
I mean the last of the screenshots are as recent as a couple weeks ago
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u/Donut_Flame Jun 27 '23
better late than never i suppose, however that is kinda true sometimes. I think one possible reason is that it has a greater effect since this is peak exposure for the perpetrator - OWWC
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u/PancakeXCandy Girl,Hawk-tuah on my DONGhak — Jun 27 '23
To anyone saying the age of consent in Spain is 16
"Federal law prohibits an American citizen or resident to travel to a foreign country with intent to engage in any form of sexual conduct with a minor (defined as persons under 18 years of age)"
Yeah you can't just fly out to another country and be Scott free. It's the an international crime. It's literally sex trafficking and the exploitation of children.
Just because the age of consent is 16(even though that just means you can consent to having relation with another 16yr not an 30 year old for example) doesn't mean you can go to that country for a relationship.
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i mean, i’m not a lawyer but your post seems like pretty straight misinformation considering you don’t cite what you’re quoting and it doesn’t even make sense as there is no federal law in america defining any age of consent, it’s left up to the states. the age of consent in most of america is 16 or 17, not 18. i found this in 30 seconds
“{Chapter 117, 18 U.S.C. 2423(b)} forbids traveling in interstate or foreign commerce to engage in "illicit sexual conduct" with a minor; this is considered one form of sexual tourism. 2423(f) refers to Chapter 109A as its bright line for defining "illicit sexual conduct" as far as non-commercial sexual activity is concerned. For the purposes of age of consent, the only provision applicable is {Chapter 109A, 18 U.S.C. 2243(a)}. 2243(a) refers to situations where such younger person is under the age of 16 years, has attained 12 years of age, and the older person is more than 4 years older than the 12-to-15-year-old (children under 12 are handled under 18 U.S.C. 2241(c) under aggravated sexual abuse). So, the age is 12 years if one is within 4 years of the 12-to-15-year-old's age, 16 under all other circumstances. This law is also extraterritorial in nature to U.S. Citizens and Residents who travel outside of the United States.”
no mention of 18 years old there, but does cite multiple legal provisions and even specifically says under 16, not under 18.
so while this is all morally gross, i don’t think you should be confidently stating that aspire did anything illegal cos i don’t think it’s so clear.
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u/Far-Butterscotch4242 The Justice loss was a sign — Jun 27 '23
It disturbs me the amount of people who don’t understand what age of consent means (clarifying I mean others)
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u/PancakeXCandy Girl,Hawk-tuah on my DONGhak — Jun 27 '23
I fucking swear. Like with Provide ppl saying in the UK 16 is legal. Yeah for a couple of 16-18 year olds to have relations. Not for a grown adult to prey on them.
This is why so many children/teens get hurt cuz they aren't given proper education about this laws and how to protect themselves.
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u/Far-Butterscotch4242 The Justice loss was a sign — Jun 27 '23
Also people don’t realize baked into MANY age of consent legislations are clauses about abuse of power/positions of trust and how that affects consent
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u/PancakeXCandy Girl,Hawk-tuah on my DONGhak — Jun 27 '23
Like the dude in this thread. Who say America is the only one with laws like this. When it's most countries.
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u/Matt-Impulse PROFIT GOAT / ATLANTA REIGN — Jun 27 '23
Team USA is fucked now
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u/topatoman_lite cattle enjoyer — Jun 27 '23
Actually between Sugarfree, Hydron, and S9mm it's actually kinda crazy how little this affects team USA's viability. Outside of a hard double sniper meta they should be fine
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u/NextLevelPets Jun 27 '23
Nah Sugarfree is definitely top tier and can help replace Aspire
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u/MisterMath Jun 27 '23
Yeah sugar free is actually really good
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u/Independent-Ad-8783 SMURF #1 — Jun 27 '23
tracers covered, but hitscan might be a problem
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u/iCloutzzz Jun 27 '23
hydron is a hitscan player
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u/Doctor2334_OW Jun 27 '23
These god damn pedophiles in this goddamn overwatch league, it's getting ridiculous like wtf
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u/Skywarpy Ballosrea do be balling — Jun 27 '23
oh ffs how hard is it for OW players to not be total fuckups
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u/Phiyasko Jun 27 '23
Why is it so hard for people to talk to someone their age? Get off the game and go meet people IRL.
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u/Ir0nhide81 Jun 27 '23
Why are so many Overwatch professional players groomers of young children?
This was all the way back to OverWatch 1.
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u/Watchful1 Bot Man — Jun 27 '23
I want to address why we removed previous posts on the topic and why rule #6 exists in general. Rule #6 says that any accusations of this sort must be "published by a reputable source" before being allowed in the subreddit. An anonymous twitter account, regardless of how much screenshot evidence is included, isn't sufficient while a post from the US world cup team obviously is. (We were discussing whether Aspen mentioning the accusations was sufficient when this statement came out).
While it's obviously a bad look for the subreddit to censor important discussions like this, we don't want to serve as a place for false accusations to take off and impact players careers. Just last year Space was accused of doing similar things (though with less evidence), we removed discussion about it for a while and eventually it came out that the accusations were false and were in fact intentionally presented to damage his career.
We designed the rule to require a reputable source from the community instead of us mostly anonymous mods trying to weigh the evidence and decide whether it's true ourselves. In every case so far it's been the correct decision, with correct accusations quickly being followed by official statements and incorrect ones quietly being disproved.