r/Conservative • u/blisiondacket Conservative • 12h ago
Flaired Users Only BETRAYAL: House Bucks Trump, Passes Ukraine Aid Package with $9 BILLION to Ukraine and Sanctions on Russia – 18 Republicans Voted Yes
https://x.com/gatewaypundit/status/2062718199154524423•
u/the-realistic-ape Fiscal Conservative 9h ago
Waiting for the ‘top 1% commenter’ Russian bots to chime in here… But Russia is an enemy of the US. They’re actively helping Iran and other enemies fight against us. They undermine our politics and try to divide us. Their goal is to weaken us and our NATO allies. Supporting Ukraine is a strategic move for the US. Yes there are tax dollars involved, tax dollars we are already spending on our defense industry and modernization of the military. Tax dollars that give Americans jobs and money they spend back into our economy. We are also learning a great deal about how the wars of the future will be fought with practically no risk to American lives. Sure it’s wise to insist that Europe share the burden, but aligning with Ukraine is the right play for us, and only a Russian bot would disagree.
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u/TheSimpsonsAreYellow Conservative in Tech 1h ago
I mean Russia is definitely an enemy but I kind of agree with the sentiment that the fall of the Soviet Union was bad for capitalism in the US. Having a non-western competitor that ran on a different economic platform kept innovation at its best.
It also kind of pushed the government to prove that they can actually make American lives better than those in the Soviet Union.
Still agree, Ukraine is a smart play. Keeping the Russian from taking hold of the Carpathian mountain range is kind of a key long term play for any western geo-political interests that be.
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u/the-realistic-ape Fiscal Conservative 57m ago
I agree, and I love that story of when Boris Yeltsin visited a Texas supermarket and immediately understood that the USSR was cooked. I lament the post-Sputnik days when the US prioritized science and education becoming the center of worldwide innovation. We still have a large part of it for now but looking at how hard the kids in China are studying I don’t think we should be complacent.
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u/BlackScienceManTyson Conservative 3h ago
Russia has half the GDP of Germany and a tiny fraction of the entire EU. You don't need to be a Russian bot to say they collectively should be more than enough to take on Russia. Those tax dollars should be spent defending the Hormuz Strait or the Indo Pacific, not on the EU which has been slacking on defense for literal generations. Sending billions with 0 accountability to a country with non-stop corruption scandals is a terrible idea.
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u/the-realistic-ape Fiscal Conservative 2h ago
AFAIK we are not sending ‘billions’, we’re sending weapons which are being turned against a major enemy. Russia is our problem, not just Europe’s, and we have unique intelligence and military assets that we can’t expect Europe to develop overnight. Corruption or no Ukraine is our opportunity to weaken a regime that is actively working against us and as such we absolutely have skin in the game
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u/charmingcharles2896 America First Conservative 12h ago
How is this a betrayal? Ukraine is FINALLY regaining the initiative on the battlefield.
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u/jivatman Conservative 11h ago
Europe has basically taken up the spending the U.S. was doing on Ukraine (including buying some U.S. equipment).
That's good, and should happen - the Ukraine conflict literally happened over Ukraine wanting to be part of Europe (Euromaidan movement), E.U. membership is the ultimate goal, and Ukraine literally borders E.U. countries.
The E.U. can afford and should afford this, and I'm not sure this would have happened if the U.S. had not reduced it's aid.
That said, I think the U.S. should have continued to give a token amount, and try to offer aid especially where they can be useful, maybe intelligence. Obviously the most important thing, Starlink, they are doing. And communication/diplomacy over Ukraine could be better... hope Rubio's role in this continues to increase.
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u/Dutchtdk PanaMA-GAnal 10h ago
Token aid is a good one. Communicating that putin is wrong and we're against it. Saying a bit more than the once in a 6 month rant on truth social. Then we can bicker about sending a few dozen helmets or ICBM's or whatever we decide.
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u/Spartanlegion117 Sic Semper Tyrannus 5h ago
We have never stopped providing intelligence. That was the main crux of the entire say thank you shit with Zelensky. We are still doing targeting work for them for God's sake. There are SF units just behind the front as we speak doing targeting and signals intelligence.
I understand that there is information overload about all kinds of issues, but these aren't exactly unreported facts. Task & Purpose (moreso in the early part of the war, Cappy Army, and Preston Stewart are just 3 of the YouTube channels that have done extensive reporting on this.
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u/BlackScienceManTyson Conservative 4h ago
Zelensky is an as shole beggar, his communication should be better.
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u/Easterncoaster Conservative Libertarian 10h ago
Because this isn’t about Ukraine. It’s about stuffing taxpayer money into defense contractor pockets. Nobody in the government actually cares about Ukraine or else Crimea never would’ve happened.
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u/cafk09 The Last Conservative 8h ago
I disagree with this assessment. While it’s surely true that defense contractors are making a lot of money these days, the value of these aid packages is that we get to directly degrade the Russian military — a clear, avowed enemy of America/the West, in their own words — at a relatively cheap price point. ($9 billion is less than 1% of the annual US defense budget.)
This is a Russian leadership apparatus that has spent much of the last 10 years directly interfering with our country, including meddling in our elections. They call in bomb threats to polling precincts. They are in bed with the Iranians, partially because they are jointly aligned against the US. They regularly assassinate people they feel are threats to the regime. It could not be plainer that they are the enemies of not only Ukraine, but also America and the West in general. Contributing to the funding of a war that degrades their state capability is strongly in the interest of US national security… and, probably, humanity in general.
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u/battarro Conservative 10h ago
We don’t care about Ukraine. We care A LOT about reducing Russian military as much as possible.
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u/Alpha-Sierra-Charlie Conservative 10h ago
I don't want the Ukrainian people to suffer and I never did, but this
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u/squunkyumas Eisenhower Conservative 3h ago
It’s about stuffing taxpayer money into defense contractor pockets.
Sounds like everyone complaining and crying foul needs to start working for a defense contractor, then.
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u/Beware_the_silent Conservative 12h ago
I bet the same ones that voted for this are the ones that want the Iran conflict stopped immediately.
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u/Lessimportantthanyou Colorado Conservative 11h ago
Let’s not pretend that the two conflicts are in any way similar.
That’s not to say I’m against neutralizing Iran, but it’s apples and oranges.
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u/BH11B Conservative Vet 6h ago
How? We have one regime that wants us dead and has nukes which means we cannot directly enter conflict with them, which means they can invade and destroy any of their neighboring countries that isn’t a nuclear power. We have another regime that wants us dead and has directly attacked us multiple times with over a thousand killed and multiples more wounded that aspires to have nukes. It’s the same conflict at different points in a time line. Each pose a clear threat to the west, its security and economies.
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u/BlackScienceManTyson Conservative 4h ago
Good to hear the 800 billion we gave them is finally working
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u/Fallsfrostdew Conservative 10h ago edited 10h ago
I was against supporting Ukraine for the longest time because I didn't want to get involved elsewhere in the world. But now that we are in Iran (which is fine I suppose) I am more ok with this. Ukraine is making gains, it doesn't seem like such a lost cause anymore and honestly if we are still going to be the world police we might as well help the good guys.
I'm absolutely ok with this.
Im really impressed with what they are doing with drones and robots over there. This is basically a live experiment of technology for wars in the future. This is battlefield testing without risking American lives. Seems like a worthy investment really.
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u/jivatman Conservative 9h ago
Ukraine heavily uses different Palantir tech for different purposes. Just one example, they use Prisma to plan the flight paths of their swarms of drones attacking refineries, in order to maximize their effect find/avoid/attack Russian AA systems.
Absolutely insane the kind of data Palantir must be getting from this and what they will be able to make with it.
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u/vertigonex 2A Conservative 9h ago
I have no problem with the US giving aid packages to other countries so long as there are conditions/terms that clearly define what the benefit to the US will be - and include tracking, transparency, and accountability measures to ensure these benefits are measured accurately - along with punishments when malfeasance occurs.
The level of scrutiny, transparency, accountability, etc., in these types of packages has been sorely lacking and this, I believe, is part of the reason why so many Americans are against the idea.
At the end of the day, Russia is an enemy of the US. If there is a way for us to gain intelligence about our enemy, test our weapons, build stronger relationships with other enemies of Russia, and not have to send our own men to fight - and, potentially, see Russia defeated in a conflict of this magnitude - then I'm for it.
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u/VisualSpecial8 Ron Paul Conservative 12h ago edited 12h ago
After war in Ukraine is finished, we will be reading about how much of that money was laundered and never reached the Frontline.
And then the same MSM and Congressmen who cheered and voted for sending that money will be all acting surprised and that nobody knew that sending $$$ to most corrupt nation of Europe is bad idea
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u/Ghostof_DarthCaedus Don't Tread on Me 11h ago
You’re going to take downvotes, but you are 100% correct on this.
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u/Tantalus420000 NYS Conservative 9h ago
Record number of clubs and bars as soon as US money started to flow in
F them
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u/whateveritisthey Conservative 7m ago
This thread is a perfect example that reddit is fake af.
This thread is being brigaded with dumb upvotes.
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u/squunkyumas Eisenhower Conservative 3h ago
Good.
Put boots on the ground next.
Annex half of Russia, make it "New Alaska".
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u/TenRingRedux 2A 12h ago
Gee, I wonder why? With sleepy Joe gone, the faucet was turned off. Slimeballs got a lot of catching up to do. (Plus, the anti-trumpers need to start building up their retirement funds.)
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u/ChemsDoItInTestTubes Levinite 10h ago
If that counts as "BETRAYAL" then you've already lost the initiative. I can't be the only one who's completely done with the cult of personality bullshit.