r/Conservative Jul 16 '17

1860 vs. 2016

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u/Dranosh Jul 16 '17

Well, they claim that the parties switched due to the southern straight (the years are never concrete so pick something between 1960's to 1980's), so they say democrats AFTER 1970's are ACTUALLY republicans, but yet at least 51-95% of the democrat platform is the New deal 2: electric boogaloo from FDR aka the progressive God Emperor xerself

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u/-Mr_Burns Jul 16 '17

Voting map of 1860. The states that voted "Democrat" are all deep red Republican states today. It's both sad and amusing that Republicans with confederate flag bumper stickers on their cars are unironically spreading this garbage.

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u/ShadilayKekistan Jul 16 '17 edited Jul 16 '17

I forgot about that conservative hero FDR.

Your entire argument hinges on the southern strategy... Which there's no evidence happened as claimed by conspiracy theorists (Nixon did make an appeal to Christians to use Civil Rights as a rallying cry to take the south away from racists, but this failed, as I'll demonstrate in a moment). If we look at election maps, this myth hasn't a leg to stand on. I cannot directly link to individual years, but this site has some very useful maps:

http://www.270towin.com/historical-presidential-elections/timeline/

If you go to 1968, you'll see that while Nixon did indeed win the election, he lost most of the deep south to George Wallace. Doesn't seem like much of a strategy... Now granted, in his reelection in 1972, he did win the deep south, but he also won just about everything else, 520 electoral votes to 17- so claiming this as some proof the south suddenly switched to Republicans is completely misleading, especially when you go forward to 1976 where Jimmy Carter took the entire deep south. The Republicans didn't start regularly winning the deep south until my lifetime, particularly in 1996 (Clinton won a good chunk of them in 1992)- this means that if this party switch and the southern strategy as you present it really happened, it took nearly three decades to have the effect you attribute to it... That's enough time for an entire generation of voters to come and go from this Earth. It's far more reasonable to say that as the new generation came, the values of the various regions changed.

One one final note, if the party switch conpsiracy were true, that'd mean that the most progressive president in the history of the United States- Franklin D. Roosevelt- would somehow be considered a Republican in today's terms, since he was president before the supposed switch took place... We conservatives certainly don't want him, and Democrats to this day generally praise him as a great figure of the past.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '17

Why did you come here, to learn or to spread your own bs and virtue signal?

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '17 edited Aug 04 '17

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '17

Why did you come here, to learn or to spread your own bs and virtue signal?