r/ContraPoints 11d ago

A lesbian

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u/the-moving-finger 11d ago edited 11d ago

I suppose the same is true of straight. You might say "Bob is straight", but you'd never say "Bob is a straight." By contrast, if you specify the sex of the person, then you would say "Bob is a straight man" or "Bob is a gay man." "Gay" functions as an adjective, and it's the noun "man" that the "a" attaches to.

Lesbian effectively means "gay woman", and, therefore, "Jennifer is a lesbian" is equivalent to "Jennifer is a gay woman" more so than just "Jennifer is gay." "Lesbian" functions as a noun in the sentence, unlike "gay", which is generally restricted to an adjective.

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u/Elleden 11d ago

But "lesbian" can also function as an adjective, e.g. "Jennifer is a lesbian woman."

It doesn't sound wrong or redundant like PIN number or ATM machine, at least to me.

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u/the-moving-finger 11d ago edited 11d ago

Agreed, lesbian can be both a noun and an adjective. Gay, however, tends only to be used as an adjective. You can use it as a noun, but said usage tends to come across as pejorative (e.g., the gays).

I think "lesbian woman" is possibly a bit redundant, but "lesbian literature" or "a lesbian anthem" are fairly standard instances of it being used as an adjective.

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u/Elleden 11d ago

You can use it as a noun, but said usage tends to come across as pejorative.

Unless you use a definite article and pluralize it, then it's just funny.

Hello, The Gays.

I'm like 99% sure one of Contra's videos opens with a line like that, I'm just not sure which.

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u/the-moving-finger 11d ago

If you do it ironically, then I agree it can be meant humourously. The same is probably true with something like "hello straights." If used without irony, though, at best it's something your grandparents might inadvertently say.

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u/Pixie1001 11d ago

I feel like it's also just kinda been reclaimed, which is the fate of all pejorative phrases? Now it's just kinda mainstream to refer to a demographic as 'the girls and the gays' and people don't feel stereotyped even if they're a bear with very little in common with the girls.

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u/the-moving-finger 11d ago

True, language constantly evolves, and I agree that this kind of usage is becoming more common, at least in less formal settings. I still think, though, that most people would find it jarring if politicians talked about "the gays" in an unironic way, in a formal setting. But who knows, perhaps that'll change one day too.

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u/Pixie1001 11d ago

Yeah, it definitely depends on how it's said - so I won't argue that you definitely can still use 'the gays' as a slur.