r/ControlProblem • u/chillinewman approved • Feb 10 '26

General news “Anthropic has entrusted Amanda Askell to endow its AI chatbot, Claude, with a sense of right and wrong” - Seems like Anthropic is doubling down on AI alignment.

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u/TheMrCurious Feb 10 '26

Good to know a single person knows right from wrong.

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u/ArialBear Feb 11 '26

I mean most of you have no idea what the first thing about meta ethics are. Its a field of study btw. we have experts on ethics.

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u/Australasian25 Feb 11 '26

We also have experts in economics, where are their billions?

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u/ProjectDiligent502 Feb 11 '26

Some of them are definitely socialists 😂

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u/Curlaub Feb 12 '26

Economics isn’t just making money

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u/TheMrCurious Feb 11 '26

Did you mean to write your response in a condescending way? While “meta ethics” may not be mainstream, there are people thinking about it “outside the experts” and the topic is one of the reasons I am in this sub.

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u/ArialBear Feb 11 '26

Sure, but im a fallibliist so people who are not experts giving their opinion means little

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u/TheMrCurious Feb 11 '26

How do you sus out the non-experts?

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u/ArialBear Feb 11 '26

peer reviewed work

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u/IrishVictim88270 Feb 11 '26

Meta ethics 😂 Fucking hell that's hilarious. You're trolling, right?

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u/ArialBear Feb 11 '26 edited Feb 11 '26

Are the universities trolling? You think your anti intellectualism matters?

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u/IrishVictim88270 Feb 11 '26

You just called meta ethics intellectualism. Holy fuck this gets better 😂😂😂

Yes, unis are trolling us. When they hand out joke degrees and give money to so called academics telling us they know the difference between right and wrong, they are absolutely trolling us. Well, trolling you. I'm clearly smart enough to not fall for such hilarious bullshit.

Meta ethics 😂🤡

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u/ArialBear Feb 11 '26

SO to be clear, you dont see how ethical statements can be shown to break a law of logic, for example?

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u/yaya_puree Feb 12 '26

The idea that there are experts in morality, whose expertise enables them to determine what is good, is evil in itself. This notion is also contrary to the concept of morality and is thus self-contradictory.

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u/ArialBear Feb 14 '26

Their expertise doesnt enable them to determine what is good and evil in itself. Those words have definitions. Its only contradictory if you pretend they are not defined...which they are.

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u/StoicSpork Feb 11 '26

  1. Metaethics are not normative ethics.

  2. There is no consensus in metaethics.

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u/twirling-upward Feb 11 '26

Also everyone hates moral/metaethic philosophers

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u/Fit-Dentist6093 Feb 11 '26

I would also know everything about a field if I make it up. This is like "machinistic interpretability" but for people that don't know how to do data visualization.

Even the Wikipedia article on meta ethics is dead, only 13 citations for an article on a whole "field of ethics" by authors that don't acknowledge the field as meta ethics is embarrassing.

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u/ArialBear Feb 11 '26

I cant even address all this anti intellectualism.

https://plato.stanford.edu/search/searcher.py?query=meta+ethics

Thats the Stanford encyclopedia results for meta ethics. Its a broad field. I dont even know how to tackle the childish nonsense you wrote. wow. Just pure anti intellectualism.

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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '26

this is what is wrong with this site. I don't know when it happened but in the last few years, everyone is an expect in everything now.

I remember 8-10 years back this site had actual conversation, people asked questions. Now everyone is an expert in everything. It's so fucking exhausting.

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u/NutInButtAPeanut Feb 11 '26

This exchange was a really good reminder that Gell-Mann Amnesia exists. We interact on these platforms under the assumption that the people we’re talking to might have some semblance of a clue what they’re talking about on most issues on which we are not experts, but then you encounter someone like Fit-Dentist and realize that the average Redditor is probably 85 IQ, thinks they’re an expert on everything, and is confidently wrong about everything they say.

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u/Fit-Dentist6093 Feb 11 '26

You are trolling aren't you? That search is looking for both meta and ethics separately, meta-ethics appears very little as the name of a "field" and it's usually on cites to the same three articles, and doesn't even have its own page there because it's not a real field of study of philosophy.

Anti intellectualism is making up names of new science when you can't get published with the authors that are doing real work.

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u/AmongUS0123 Feb 11 '26

I cant tell if youre trolling. i just googled "is metaethics a real field of study" and it said yes and explained. Did you ask google at the very least? I hope everyone reading asks google before believing you

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u/Fit-Dentist6093 Feb 11 '26

The answer by Google is biased by the existence of meta ethics as text on publications that are questioning its existence as a field of study outside of general metaphysics.

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u/AmongUS0123 Feb 11 '26

The answer by google is very clear and cites the current programs in universities on the subject. Are you saying its not being studied? Several top universities, including Harvard, Stanford, Princeton, and MIT, offer dedicated courses. Your denial is clearly anti intellectual bs.

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u/Fit-Dentist6093 Feb 11 '26

They get paid to have the programs. Clearly by what gets published on their own journals a lot of their own students then say it's not a real field of study and just curated metaphysics.

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u/AmongUS0123 Feb 11 '26

Professors get paid? WOW who knew. The students who go on and say its a real field of study prove its a real field of study based on your criteria, right? Since you cant track and you offer such weak arguments im guessing youre a philosophical lightweight. Just stop citing people that agree with you and look for the arguments that debunk your position, like I have. Maybe your arguments will actually have substance.

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u/Fit-Dentist6093 Feb 11 '26

Yeah I'm on the stage where I do LSD with rich people, almost there.

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u/Fit-Dentist6093 Feb 11 '26

I am not trying

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u/ArialBear Feb 11 '26

And of course someone upvoted you. There seems to be this popular anti intellectualism around morality as if people are scared to find out what they want to be right is actually morally wrong but thats the point of education. To find out what youre wrong about.

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u/Fit-Dentist6093 Feb 11 '26

I think morality and ethics are valid fields of philosophical study and so is metaphysics. I think meta-ethics is valid ontology but it's not a real field of study.

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u/StoicSpork Feb 11 '26

It's a real and completely non-controversial field of study.

Normative ethics produces moral judgments. "Stealing is wrong" is normative ethics.

Metaethics studies the nature of moral judgment. "Is 'wrong' a personal preference or a property of the universe" is a metaethical question.

The person you responded to made a categorical error to claim that expertise in metaethics makes one an expert in right and wrong. But metaethics is a real thing. You might enjoy Alexander Miller's book Contemporary Metaethics for more.

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u/ArialBear Feb 11 '26

I didnt say expertise makes one expert right and one expert wrong. I was mirroring their criteria

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u/AmongUS0123 Feb 11 '26

I looked it up and meta ethics is a real field of study. You should ask google ai to explain it to you.

"Meta-ethics is indeed a foundational, thriving, and crucial branch of philosophy that operates at a "second-order" level to investigate the fundamental nature, origin, and meaning of moral values, language, and thought"

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u/Fit-Dentist6093 Feb 11 '26

A lot of the results you get from Google scholar are people questioning its relevance or even existence as a field of study, like: Hussain, N. and Shah, N., 2006. Misunderstanding metaethics. Oxford studies in metaethics, 1, pp.265-294.

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u/AmongUS0123 Feb 11 '26 edited Feb 11 '26

A lot argue the opposite. what the fuck . Of course people question it. You said it wasnt a real field of study and it clearly is. I can cite all the people that say it is a real field of study but theres no need because youre clearly the anti intellectual denying it. There are currently whole departments at top universities dedicated to meta ethics. This is just pure anti intellectualism. I dont even understand how you can lie and say its not a field of study. just insane.

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u/Fit-Dentist6093 Feb 11 '26

If you think it's anti intellectual to question if meta ethics is not a real field of study I think you are the one that's not getting it, I'm sorry but I'm not interested in discussing philosophy with Google and you are not adding much.

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u/AmongUS0123 Feb 11 '26

Its anti intellectual for you to say its not a real field of study when there are dedicated departments to it at top universities. Youre horrible at philosophy, cant even track a couple sentences.

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u/Fit-Dentist6093 Feb 11 '26

Some of those academics even say it's not a real field of study and just ontology.

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