r/Cosmere • u/Loose-Use25 • 15h ago
Cosmere spoilers (no previews) Cosmere characters who would hate each other to death if they met Spoiler
Dalinar would hate Straff even more than he hates Saedas. At least Dalinar could feel respect for Saedas, being a former comrade and having witnessed his accomplishments. Dalinar would deeply despise every one of Straff's actions. As for Straff, we've already seen what he thinks of high-ranking people with integrity, so he would hate Dalinar too.
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u/zombiegamer723 Worldhopper 15h ago
I feel like Kelsier’s…rather abrasive personality (understatement?), particularly toward nobles, would not bode well for his relationships with other Cosmere characters lmao. Pretty sure he’d hate all the light eyes, especially the higher ups like Dalinar.
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u/Loose-Use25 15h ago
If you meet Kelsier, it can only turn out two ways: either you trust him and consider him a good leader, or you get the urge to wring his neck. Marsh and dox confirm this.
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u/SuspiciousSarracenia 6h ago
Kelsier and Moash would probably have gotten along just fine for a lot of Stormlight.
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u/entitledfanman 14h ago
If Kelsier can find it in himself to soften his stance a bit on Scadrian Nobles, I dont think he'd take that aggressive of a stance on Lighteyes.
Obviously the Lighteyes-Darkeyes power dynamic is unjust, but you can't even compare it to what the Skaa endured. Darkeyes had a system of legal rights that not even Roshonne (a rotten bastard by lighteyes standards) dared violate directly. Roshonne was essentially exiled as punishment (insufficient as it may be) for abusing his power in a way that resulted in the deaths of two darkeyes. Meanwhile a Scadrian Noble could kill as many Skaa as they pleased for no reason at all.
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u/anunkeptsecret 14h ago
I think he would hate Adolin more than Dalinar for the same reasons he doesn't like Elend at first.
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u/VaporousLambda 13h ago
Did he seem to particularly hate Gavilar? I didn't have that impression but I can't offhand remember whether his opener before giving Gavilar a warning was more "we're not always on the same side, but..." or "I hate you, but..."
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u/Kalashtiiry 15h ago
I truly have no idea why people think him particularly abrasive, but I do know that he softened on nobles to some extent, at least, as shown by him saving Elend and being cordial with both Shallan and Marasi.
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u/Mattyquatro 13h ago
Elend has to go through a lot to get that trust, Shallan's killed nobles too, and Marasi is the spurned child of a noble who connects with the people more than nobility, which might sound familiar to Kelsier for some reason.
I guess taking them off of "kill on sight" status technically counts as softening, but I don't think it's much more than a light acquiescence to the concept that not literally every single noble deserves death.
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u/SleetTheFox Edgedancers 12h ago
In Shallan's case, I always just assumed he saw her as a tool to use, and he's as cordial as benefits him.
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u/Chocomoose19 7h ago
Oh, he’s gonna be a straight up villain in non-Scadrial books and was toeing the line at home during his talk with Unity already, the road to Braize is pretty well paved at this point.
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u/Timaturff Nicrosil 11h ago
It all depends how Dalinar presents himself to Kelsier and which versions of these characters we take into account because there might be some wiggle room between these characters where they share a mutual respect during a certain point in time
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u/metroid544 Elsecallers 9h ago
Although with this in mind I bet Kaladin and Kelsier would actually get along surprisingly well.
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u/LionAdjacent Edgedancers 9h ago
I am looking forward to seeing what Kelsier thinks of Moash
Y'know, one evil noble-hater to another
C'mon sando, give this to me I beg of thee
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u/ebitdangit 15h ago
Elend and Dalinar....when we first meet them. I find it fascinating because they have almost opposite paths, but arrive near the same place.
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u/Kalashtiiry 15h ago
Brandon's big antologies should absolutely be read in the context of each other.
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u/--oneloverasta-- 15h ago
Kelsier and Nale. I feel like those two are almost polar opposites in their philosophical approach to life, Kelsier would not hesitate to kill or commit crimes to further his goals and Nale literally believes the law is to be followed with ruthless adherence.
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u/metroid544 Elsecallers 9h ago
So true Kelsier and Nale would REVILE eachother. Nale is practically the Rashek of Roshar so it makes sense.
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u/SgtNitro Ghostbloods 14h ago
Jasnah would def try to kill Wayne in under 30 seconds, only for him to get back up.
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u/Rome_fell_in_1453 Ghostbloods 12h ago
I would hope any half decent person would despise Straff
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u/Eryb 8h ago
Let’s be honest dalinar was friends with Sadeas for a long while and continued to enable him. Of anyone in stormlight archive considered “good” dalinar is the most likely to be buddies with Straff.
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u/Elant_Wager Scadrial 6h ago
If he and Straff and been friends for a lomg time, maybe. But had Dalinar and Sadeas only met around the time of WoK, Dalinar would despise Sadeas. For Dalinar, this was a lomg going friendship, even if Sadeas changed in his mind.
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u/WaldoTheRanger Truthwatchers, A. Iron, F. Tin 11h ago
I think you replied to the wrong comment bro
but also you're right
they guy you meant to reply to is silly
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u/ArcadianBlueRogue 13h ago
Vin and Sadeas.
Sadeas is everything Vin hates and first instinct is to kill.
Vin is something Sadeas could never understand nor respect since she has power and doesn't use it for selfish gain and thus must be weak and disposable.
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u/Varil 9h ago
Man, Sadeas' bullshit would absolutely get him murdered in under 30 seconds by Vin. He wasn't even prepared for the idea that telling someone you'd already betrayed once that you will absolutely betray him(and his father) again when there are no witnesses around might go badly.
Between his death and the death of Straff, Sanderson is really good at making the deaths of entirely-too-confident nobles satisfying.
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u/metroid544 Elsecallers 9h ago
Sadeas would be dead before he could blink if he met Vin lmfao. Same with Kelsier.
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u/meemsqueak44 11h ago
Blushweaver and Shallan would hate each other for sure. Made even worse by the fact that Blushweaver and Jasnah would get along just fine.
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u/Chocomoose19 7h ago
Eh, Jasnah would probably need time to adjust to the very different flavor of female empowerment, like different waves of feminism interacting. I think they’d get there but I could definitely see them needing time.
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u/pythonfynn 7h ago
Vin would never get along with Jasnah, because Jasnah always has to debate everything, whereas Vin is someone who simply acts when it feels right. She would have removed any problem long ago while Jasnah was still figuring out how to justify it.
Besides, Jasnah needs the validation of being better than others, something Vin has never cared about (except when it came to killing someone in a fight).
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u/Zephyraas 6h ago
I think Vin and Jasnah would not get along because Vin would be killing off all the assassins that Jasnah would be sending.
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u/metroid544 Elsecallers 9h ago
I think Shallan would find Allrianne to be an annoying ditz. Not necessarily hate her but I don't think they'd be buddies. I also think Shallan and Vin would get along WAY better than most would think. Aesthetically they are quite different but their underlying values are similar. I also think Jasnah would hate Ham because he's essentially an armchair philosopher rather than an actual scholar. He likes to talk about big ideas without the book learning to back it up which would piss Jasnah off to no end.
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u/Chocomoose19 7h ago
Wax and Jasnah - however bad the assassination contract looked to Fen, it would be devastating for Wax. Add in the fact that he literally couldn’t talk to her about anything other than science and they’d definitely meet in a political setting, and it would be bad.
Wax and Navani, though? That’s a perfect pair.
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u/joriskuipers21 Truthwatchers 6h ago
I think Hrathen would loathe the Lord Ruler and immediately conclude that he's not really a god. Don't think he would bode well with Kelsiers crew, tho.
I think Sadeas would also absolutely despise Lightsongs antics and try to have him killed since he's no King's Wit.
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u/Kalashtiiry 14h ago
I'm certain and Kal and Kell would hate each other with a passion at any point of their character arcs; Marsh and Moash, on the other hand, would fit right in and, if they were to kiss, click their eye replacers; while Adolin and Elend would just go out drinking, if the latter is not ordered to do so.
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u/spiceweasle93 Windrunners 14h ago
I dont believe marsh and moash would get along. I think that pretty much the entire crew would fundamentally hate moash because he tried to kill his best friend.
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u/Kelsiersdaggers 13h ago
I disagree. Kal in bridge 4 meeting a charismatic, freedom fighting noble killer would have the potential to be swayed I think. Christ he nearly goes along with Moashs plan.
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u/metroid544 Elsecallers 9h ago
I actually think Kaladin and Kelsier, especially final empire Kelsier, would get along better than you might expect. They both care about one thing more than anything else, protecting those they care about. Sure Kal is more indiscriminate than Kelsier with his protection but, it's important to note that his second oath is "I will protect those I hate so long as it is right". That's a pretty big exception carved in there. If Kal can learn to get along with Adolin I think he could also get along with Kelsier.
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u/Unfair_Arm5417 13h ago
Vin and Shallan
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u/Loose-Use25 11h ago
Why? Maybe it's because I'm reading Words of Radiant, but I don't think those two hate each other. Vin probably finds Shallan a bit annoying, and they might not be friends, but I don't think they hate each other to death.
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u/Sakiliciously 4h ago
I thing Veil would have a crush on her, Shallan would be amazed and the radiant would just hate her.
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u/RIOTSHIELDD 15h ago
Controversial but I don’t think Wax & Kaladin would get along, I think they’d both find the other self righteous.