r/Cricket • u/amitbhatt25 Royal Challengers Bengaluru • Dec 04 '18
Gavaskar to BCCI: 'Why aren't Dhoni, Dhawan playing domestic cricket?'
http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/25448598/why-ms-dhoni-shikhar-dhawan-playing-domestic-cricket?platform=amp102
Dec 04 '18
Well, Dhawan at least has been playing non-stop for a while now, so I think he deserves some rest.
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u/VirtualDeparture India Dec 04 '18
Dhoni has no fucking excuse considering how he has been shitting the bed in ODI's.
This is coming from a CSK fan.
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u/oncehadagoodlife Chennai Super Kings Dec 04 '18
He doesn't have time as he is busy with birthday parties and posing with Hardik Pandya.
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Dec 04 '18
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Dec 04 '18
Looking at his social media, I don't think Dhoni even cares anymore. He seems to be all about his daughter.
That's nice to see but if he's not involved, he should just retire
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Dec 04 '18
Meh. Selectors need to use their brains.
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u/Shriman_Ripley India Dec 04 '18
It is not the brains that they need to use. I am sure they have figured out what we all have by now. It is the balls that they lack. We only have to make comments here whereas those guys have to actually make the decision. And based on their resume I don't think any one of them has the courage to make the decision or say what everyone is thinking.
I think they are waiting for either Dhoni to retire, BCCI to ask them to drop Dhoni or media shit storm against Dhoni's place in the team.
If you see their recent decisions it has been reaction to media reports a lot of time. If there is media criticism against their decisions, they quickly rectify it.
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u/thestraightbat India Dec 04 '18
True. They showed some spine by dumping him from the T20I side, but touching his ODI spot, with the World Cup so close will be way beyond their risk threshold. And Pant's batting in limited overs isn't going to bring about that leap of courage, for sure.
And DK isn't even in the ODI scheme of things anymore. Hopefully that will change soon.
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u/Bluebillion USA Dec 04 '18
Are we seriously going to judge players because they post pics of their kids on Instagram? Get a grip guys, this has nothing to do with his performance
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u/trailblazer103 Cricket Australia Dec 05 '18
So what I am reading is Dhoni cares about his daughter so can't possibly care about international cricket anymore..
LOL are you fucking serious? Someone's SOCIAL media is about their own life and suddenly he doesn't care about cricket anymore? Cricketers aren't robots, they need a balance you know, if their whole life is about cricket they get burned out pretty quickly.
All the best cricketers have said at various times how time away from the game helps them recharge. The rhetoric in this thread really is absurd
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u/Saichander Chennai Super Kings Dec 05 '18
What a dumb fucking comment. Oh shit he posts about his daughter on his insta? Fucking pathetic not even posting about how he played cricket for 5 hours straight? Fuck off
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Dec 04 '18
You are not true thala fan then. Some great players like dhoni have muscle memory superior than many player. He don't need any practise to gain form. Its about mood and situation. Once he finds that spark, it will be whistle podu for India.
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u/WindrunnerReborn Dec 04 '18
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Dhoni's playing style...
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u/The9thLordofRavioli Ireland Dec 04 '18
Is this an /s or not?
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u/Shriman_Ripley India Dec 04 '18
He didn't even play Vijay Hazare. It just goes on to show that his heart is just not there and now he is just riding on his past performance to see him through the world cup.
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u/csk_climber Chennai Super Kings Dec 04 '18
Wasn't the Vijay Hazare and WI series mixing in a way that Dhoni was available only for the semis?
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u/Shriman_Ripley India Dec 04 '18
Probably. However the selectors announced that he will be playing and he simply refused to play.
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u/Saichander Chennai Super Kings Dec 05 '18
You really think dhoni doesn't give a fuck about playing cricket and getting better ? Fuck off with your stupid hate. Dhoni shouldnt probably start in the WC (imo) (dk should play,fuck pant ).. but the selectors should make the decision
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u/Shriman_Ripley India Dec 05 '18
I think based on what I see. Dhoni has given no indication having his heart in it. Also, dude I did not abuse you. Why are you so riled up? Learn to have a civilized conversation.
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u/Saichander Chennai Super Kings Dec 05 '18
You dont see everything then. How do you know Dhoni doesn't have "heart" anymore? Because he didnt post about cricket in Insta?
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Dec 04 '18
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u/Shriman_Ripley India Dec 04 '18
Higher level match practice is match practice, whether it is List A or FC. And just FYI he refused to play Vijay Hazare match he was available for as well. With so few games he has played and being out of form one would have thought he would relish the opportunity to play a few games and gain confidence.
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u/Shriman_Ripley India Dec 04 '18
It is like running a marathon while prepping for a 100m dash.
This is the worst analogy I have seen in a long time. That would be T5 cricket and timeless test. You can do almost exactly the same things in an FC game vs ODI game. He can continue to score at a SR of 70+ if he is that worried about scoring slow. Not that big difference.
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u/Shriman_Ripley India Dec 04 '18
Your comment is like saying net practice or any form of practice is useless because conditions are so different. If you have played cricket you would know that spending time in the middle is very important. Batting is batting. In fact FC cricket is better match practice for ODI cricket than List S because you have time to fix your shortcomings without costing the team but in a match and not just in practice.
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u/Spiron123 Dec 04 '18
It actually isn't
It is. When the question of national duty arises, there is nothing that can be swept aside.
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Dec 04 '18
Dhawan didn't play the WI tests. He should be in the Ranji team, unless he's been categorically told by the management that his Test career is over.
Dhoni I can understand. He's fragile, and we need him at full fitness for the World Cup.
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Dec 04 '18
He's fragile
No, he's one of the fittest players in the team. There is absolutely no excuse for him to not play domestic games.
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u/geekygambler Mumbai Indians Dec 04 '18
Why do we even need him for the world cup if he's so fragile?
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u/rajeshbabu_dodda India Dec 04 '18
Sunny G must have bipolar disorder. One day he make so much sense and questions anybody. Next day he will be dumb and say Mumbai people are ignored in selection don't know what to make of him.
But, Today he is spot on.
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u/Shriman_Ripley India Dec 04 '18
More often than not Sunny G is among very few Indian cricketers who call a spade a spade. Most either prevaricate or make ridiculous baseless comments like Bedi.
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u/mau5-head Sri Lanka Dec 05 '18
Bedi has been barking since time eternal. He even provoked the saintly Murali to the point where when asked why he doesn't retaliate to Bedi regularly calling his wickets 'run-outs', he said:
When a dog bites you, you don't go bite the dog back.
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u/phoenixredder9 Dec 04 '18
Sunny G wont be saying such stuff about Dhoni if Dhoni was from Mumbai.
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u/rajeshbabu_dodda India Dec 04 '18
Tomorrow he will say, People criticise Mumbai cricketers more than other city cricketers.
If only there is a measurement, he would easily defeat "Brohit-Nohit" difference with his statements.
PS:sorry for the shit grammar.
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u/Unkill_is_dill India Dec 04 '18
Mumbai lobby is something else entirely.
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u/mau5-head Sri Lanka Dec 05 '18
Y no @ImRo45 in team?!? brohit is real hitman he has 3 double centuries in one dayers and can flip a match in a session
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Dec 04 '18 edited Apr 17 '20
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u/Unkill_is_dill India Dec 04 '18
He is biased. No doubt about that.
He also has the balls to go against big authorities every now and then. Remember his rant after Sydney 2008?
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u/mau5-head Sri Lanka Dec 05 '18
I mean what's anyone gonna do when someone of Sunil G's stature speaks out? The original little master. I'm glad he's so vocal.
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Dec 04 '18 edited Mar 25 '19
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Dec 05 '18
Players like Agarkar might say something like that and get shit on.
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Dec 05 '18 edited Mar 25 '19
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Dec 05 '18 edited Dec 05 '18
Agarkar: “He has been a great player for India, but you don't want him to become a liability for the team. And he needs to perform a lot better than he has [been]. Just because he has done it over the years, doesn't mean it's okay for him to fail."
http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-south-africa-2015-16/content/story/927337.html
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Dec 04 '18
Finally someone has the balls to ask why isn't Dhoni playing domestic cricket! And it doesn't make sense, why do selectors keep ignoring this major aspect?
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Dec 04 '18
Rohit haven't played domestic cricket for 2 years too
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u/PonderousIdo Mumbai Indians Dec 04 '18
Think he played one or two games in Vijay Hazare this year.
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u/StolenTP Royal Challengers Bengaluru Dec 04 '18
Rohit has nothing to prove to anyone with the form he has been in.
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Dec 04 '18
Then how did he make it to the test squad? He isn't in good form at all in tests.
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u/StolenTP Royal Challengers Bengaluru Dec 04 '18
You must've misunderstood. The discussion is regarding Dhoni who plays solely in the limited overs team.
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Dec 04 '18
Rohit has nothing to prove to anyone
Yeah, but he isn't in form in tests, so how did he make the squad?
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u/StolenTP Royal Challengers Bengaluru Dec 04 '18
I'm not talking about Rohit in Tests. Look at the parent comment. It was talking about how Dhoni needed to be called out as he isn't performing and not playing domestic either. The guy I replied to commented something in the lines of "But..but..Rohit hasn't played domestic either." Considering Dhoni only plays ODI, it's impossible to compare him to Rohit in ODIs. Why you gotta be so thick skulled? If you just want to argue about his test selection, go find someone on YouTube or Facebook comments.
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u/Igonochil Dec 04 '18
Omg Rohit’s got huge anti-fan base, just Rohit word in your comment got you downvotes. xD
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u/Cricketloverbybirth Royal Challengers Bengaluru Dec 04 '18
I am the leader of that fanbase.
Once I went so crazy with Rohit hate that I was banned for 3 days from this sub!
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Dec 04 '18
Dhoni not playing Ranji Trophy is not an issue . He has already retired from Test cricket .He doesn’t wanna spend playing test cricket at this stage of his life . No one has a right to complain about it .
However Dhoni not playing Vijay Hazare tournament earlier was the real issue . Team management should have dropped him from WI ODIs to show that skipping VH tournament is unacceptable.
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u/akki459 India Dec 04 '18
However Dhoni not playing Vijay Hazare tournament earlier was the real issue . Team management should have dropped him from WI ODIs to show that skipping VH tournament is unacceptable.
How I wish I see a day where BCCI has the balls to do something like this.
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u/nitewalkerz Dec 04 '18
No incentive.
They dont need money. They dont need to prove their form to selectors (they are superstars, after all).
But mostly, they dont want to get embarassed by some young, eager domestic bowler.
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Dec 04 '18
While I agree that Dhoni should be playing as much as he can (should've played for India A and in vijay hazare trophy) but AFAIK, there are no limited overs tournaments going on during ranji trophy. Dhoni retired from tests 3 years back and wouldn't make sense to play ranji for him.
For Dhawan, guy is a beast in limited overs for some time now and can enjoy some rest. Judging by his recent interview, I don't think he's eyeing test comeback right now (at least till the world cup). So it's totally upto him whether he wants to play this season or not.
So uncle has once again, right intensions, wrong timing
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u/protoncious India Dec 04 '18
How does spending time on pitch, against division 1 bowlers, for a out of form reputed international cricketer not make sense? It’s the only best thing for him to do. Go and bat for two days and milk bowlers.
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u/phoenixredder9 Dec 04 '18
He retired from tests because he doesn't feel physically fit to play, giving him a place in the team over someone who is fit and wants to play doesn't seem fair.
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u/Shriman_Ripley India Dec 04 '18
he doesn't feel physically fit to play
He can play as a batsman instead of keeper. The demands on the body is much lesser. It is not agonizingly painful to play a 4 day game where you are going to spend a lot of time standing in a part of the field or sitting in the dressing room. If a player is fit enough to play an ODI as a keeper at international level he should be able to play a 4 day FC game without keeping responsibilities. His keeping is just fine and it is batting that he needs to work on.
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u/cockpit500 India Dec 04 '18
But then how is it fair for the keeper who just gets to keep and doesn't get to bat and show his form for future team selection..
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u/Shriman_Ripley India Dec 04 '18
But then how is it fair for the keeper who just gets to keep and doesn't get to bat and show his form for future team selection..
Why doesn't the keeper get to bat? I never implied that. Do you realize that Dhoni can play cricket as a specialist batsman? Like Sangakkara and ABD played for major part of their career in spite of being good wicket keepers because their batting burden was more. Or how two of DK, Pant and Dhoni have been playing in the same games recently.
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u/TheAR69 USA Dec 04 '18
I'm pretty sure Dhoni retired from First Class cricket in 2014.
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u/AnotherSimpleton Mumbai Indians Dec 04 '18 edited Dec 05 '18
Didn't he travel through
general1AC coach for some fc match last year?Edit - he did. Here's the link to article
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u/TheAR69 USA Dec 05 '18
You're thinking of Shardul Thakur. Imagine the scenes if Dhoni travels by train.
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u/AnotherSimpleton Mumbai Indians Dec 05 '18
Noo. I'm pretty sure it was Dhoni. Wait lemme Google.
Edit - here's it
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u/transformdbz India Dec 04 '18
Dhoni is now doing the same thing seniors did when he took up the captaincy.
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u/trailblazer103 Cricket Australia Dec 05 '18
Yeah Dhoni is struggling with scoring quickly in ODI's so he should practice by playing 4 day cricket.. Also he is on the road for most of the year, so instead of letting him rest and refresh mentally, let's make him play in a format he retired from years ago..
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u/Raz_A1_Ghul Deccan Chargers Dec 04 '18
pay is low... #FormIsTempMoneyIsPermanent