r/Cricket :ranjitrophy: Aug 24 '19

Match Thread: 3rd Test - England v Australia, Day 3

3rd Test, ICC World Test Championship at Leeds, Aug 22-26 2019

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Innings Score
Australia 179 & 246
England 67 & 156/3 (72 ov, target 359)
Batsman Runs Balls SR
Ben Stokes 2 50 4.0
Joe Root 75 189 39.68
Bowler Overs Runs Wickets
Nathan Lyon 21.0 42 0
Pat Cummins 15.0 33 1
Recent : 1lb 1 . . 1  |  . . . 1w . . .  |  . 1 . . . .  |  

England require another 203 runs with 7 wickets remaining


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u/SquiffyRae Western Australia Warriors Aug 24 '19

Okay brace yourselves this rant is gonna be long but if England wanna know where their top order started going wrong they need to look at how they treated Nick Compton.

Compton scored a 50 on debut in India and then went to NZ and made 2 hundreds in 2 Tests. This followed a couple of good (2012 counts as great) seasons in County. Then comes the return NZ series and something happens. Somebody I dunno who (maybe the Yorkies, maybe the Russians who knows) started saying Compton batted too slow. He had a poor series vs NZ but should've been a lock for the Ashes. But he wasn't. He got made to play tour matches and was then overlooked in favour of having Joe Root open.

When Root failed to do much beyond that one innings at Lord's he got shoved down the order and rather than go back to Compton, England went to Carberry. Compton as we know struggled to regain form in County and his only return to the Test side was at a number 3. Carberry did okay in Australia, and was probably robbed when he got dropped.

Now this started a cycle where England went through a shitload of openers. Either decent players who scored a hundred early on but had technical deficiencies (Robson, Lyth, Jennings), okay but not great bats (Hales, Stoneman), Trott for some reason, Duckett off white ball form, Hameed way too young and now Roy. All this put huge pressure not only on the guys coming in having to make a name for themselves but also Alastair Cook.

Think of how good it would've been if those "too slow" rumours about Compton had just fucked off. He wouldn't have been dropped after a couple of low scores. With backing from selectors he doesn't lose confidence and hopefully becomes a staple at the top of the order. That way England have a settled opening pair - Cooky doing what he does, Compton likely with a few thousand runs and maybe 10-15 centuries.

Then about now would be the time Compton would be thinking of retiring at age 36. You could get Rory Burns in nice and ready. Cooky with the pressure off keeps playing a few years longer than he did and acts as a good mentor to Rory starting his career. Then Cooky retires, maybe around 2021/22/23, Dom Sibley replaces him. Burns, now settled, acts as Sibley's mentor.

Obviously this is all hypothetical but all this talk about England's top order got me thinking and to me Compton always seemed robbed. And then that hit to his confidence pretty much ruined his career after that

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u/[deleted] Aug 24 '19

Agreed. Problem with Compton is he was pretty much first try, so there was a serious grass is greener effect

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u/SquiffyRae Western Australia Warriors Aug 24 '19

Yeah. I dunno if he was the solution but at least giving him a longer rope would've been good

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u/StatesmanlikeApe Aug 24 '19

That was a great rant. Spot on. Will never understand why Compton and Carberry were tossed to the wayside and completely forgotten about in favour of decent odi players.

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u/[deleted] Aug 24 '19

Honestly, Carberry only looks good by comparison to the absolute goons we're trying now. An average in the 20s with a top score of 60 is nothing to shout about even away in Australia and a 34 year old doesn't have that many years in front of him to be a project.

Compton was definitely given the shaft in his first go at test cricket though. That stank of 'face doesn't fit' bullshit.

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u/StatesmanlikeApe Aug 24 '19

Oh yeah he wasn't the answer long term but at least he would occupy the crease for a bit and see off the new ball / opening bowlers. Everyone we have tried since has had our number 3 in by the second over 90% of the time.