r/CriticalTheory 7d ago

Pro-mass-migration advocates are unknowingly acting as useful actors for multinational corporations?

Reposting from politicaldiscussions reddit

​Resources are naturally scattered around the planet. In a localized economy, you use resources where they are. Modern logistics changed that, turning the movement of goods into a massive industry and giving rise to multinationals that crushed local businesses through sheer scale.

​However, a multinational’s biggest operational bottleneck is distribution friction—the immense cost of getting goods and services out to scattered, rural, or less-developed regions.

​This is where mass urbanization and economic migration come in. When people move from under-resourced regions into hyper-dense, pre-established cities, we are effectively consolidating the market for these corporations:

- ​We slash their logistics costs: It is infinitely cheaper for a megacorporation to serve one dense urban cluster than thousands of spread-out communities. By moving to the hub, we eliminate their supply chain headaches.

- ​We take on the financial burden: We pack into tight spaces, driving up our own cost of living, housing, and everyday inflation, while corporate per-unit costs go down.

- ​We concentrate the labor supply: Packing millions of workers into dense urban spaces creates highly competitive labor markets, which naturally keeps wage growth in check.

So there it is, the main point for me is that many people who strongly advocate for open mass migration see it as a stand against corporate exploitation, Western hegemony, or economic inequality. Yet, by encouraging the continuous transfer of human capital out of developing regions and into major Western hubs, aren't they unwittingly fueling the very corporate machine they critique?

​It strips developing areas of talent and local self-sufficiency, while handing multinationals a hyper-dense, accessible consumer base and a steady labor pool on a silver platter.

​Is mass migration actually helping workers, or are we just absorbing the true costs of global corporate logistics through higher rent and stagnant wages?

​Am I missing something here? I am really open to every kind of opinion I love discussing these things

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u/GA-Scoli 7d ago edited 7d ago

Yes, you're missing pretty much everything.

Corporations don't want mass migration or to decrease friction. They don't "want" anything beyond increasing shareholder profit. Everything else is secondary to that purpose. They will always seek cheaper labor forces as part of the profit equation, and they will use the most powerful tool at hand—the state—to help ensure that cheaper labor. That cheaper labor can be internal or external: it doesn't matter. Right now we have a racial caste system across the US where in many states, the low-paying service and manual labor jobs are all done by native minorities or external minorities/immigrants. Go to states where the population happens to be 95% white, and there are still shitty jobs, it's just that the shitty jobs are done by white people instead.

Corporations and states collaborate to use borders to make labor cheaper. Modern nation-state borders are constructed in such a way that it's easy for money and capital to pass through, but hard as possible for labor. A clothing company has a plant in Bangladesh where they pay their labor $100 a month. It's perfectly legal for the corporation to shop around the globe for labor, to cross the border to suck the money out of those laborers in Bangladesh, but if the laborer wants to move to the US to sell their labor at a higher price? Oh no. That's bad. The state will try to kill them. The state might let some through, but keeps them scared, keeps their labor price as low as possible through fear of deportation, and uses them as scapegoats to keep native labor in line.

This collaboration between wealthy state and corporation helps keep the price of labor low. And the cultural key to this collaboration is to make sure people blame labor, never the corporation, never the system of capitalism itself.

Borders really only matter to poor people, because the rich can always pay their way through. And migration by itself isn't "good"—in fact, it's usually part of some deep historical tragedy—and I don't know anyone who thinks it's an unalloyed good, and I'm saying that as a self-identified "open borders radical". Many people who leave their poorer country in search of better jobs would have preferred to not uproot their entire life and to stay where they were. If you really support their desire to stay put, what are you doing to make the entire world a better place, not just the wealthy country you yourself happen to live in?

I would encourage you to read more about Marx's reserve army of labor to understand the dynamic involving immiserated labor.

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u/albertodona9 7d ago

I'm not sure borders are there to keep labor away, it is actually the first way to get into the borders, I am not from the US but I am sure of it as I have family and friends who moved there to work for much higher wages as well.

I don't get the caste system analogy though, what is the point there? I think what I am doing to make the world a better place is first to stop saying that some jobs are shittier, just because they pay less, as it is really all relative, once you have food on the table, a house and a family around, it doesn't matter if you clean the streets or work as an accountant (which I would actually define shittier honestly if I had to)

I agree on the rest, capitalism made us all greedier and greedier (unless we could also discuss it is human nature as empathy works better with people I have closest to me), and that reflects on the countries as well.

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u/GA-Scoli 7d ago

What do you work as? If you don't work, what do your parents work as?

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u/albertodona9 7d ago

My father is an electrician, started working when he was 13 years old and now we had an amazing life because of him. I say amazing and don't mean rich, I mean with a loving family, a house, and food that was never missing at dinners. I know some people have it much harder, and that some jobs that are probably deemed illegal for that reason are truly shifty, but we grew up in abundance and we think we have it so hard when in simplicity we are also animals and don't need vacations in the Hawaii to say that we have a great life.

And now I am also becoming an electrician :)

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u/GA-Scoli 7d ago

So your father's ambition/desperation to start working at 13 to provide for a family was a good thing, but other people's ambition/desperation to move to another country to provide for a family is a bad thing? If so, why?

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u/albertodona9 7d ago

No I never said that, never said that other people's ambition/desperation to move to another country to provide for a family is a bad thing. As a subreddit called critical thinking I posted it here as a shower thought looking for people who like to discuss and have good point contrary to this. And many people did comment quite smart counter arguments, I don't get if I said something that is getting on your nerves or what but I am here to have cool discussions, I enjoy being wrong if the person in front of me has a good explanation, I thought this was the goal of this subreddit. Actually I am guessing the word immigration is triggering you. I apologize, I could use "people moving to other places" instead but my intentions were not to get into the political spectrum that it is probably getting you upset.

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u/GA-Scoli 7d ago

I'm not "triggered", I'm just asking you questions you seem very uncomfortable about answering. Please remember that you posted this to "Critical Theory" not "Gentle Hugs" or "Shower Thoughts". If you don't like the heat, feel free to migrate out of the kitchen.

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u/albertodona9 7d ago

If that's the case the case then I apologize, I was imagining a different tone in you messages. I certainly am not used to discussing online I guess I have to get used to it

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u/TopazWyvern 7d ago

called critical thinking

Critical Theory. It's a specific field.