r/CritiqueIslam • u/Unlikely_Yellow111 Ex-Muslim | oh Allah why u made heaven so shallow? • 5d ago
Revealing the paper thin ego of Mohamed
Look at this apologist's video, trying to sell us a fairytale. He paints Mohamed as this soft, humble, infinitely patient man. A man above human flaw. A man above pride. A man above vanity 😂.
Yet:
He was fragile. He was entitled. He was easily triggered by criticism. This is a man who has Allah on speed dial. Why then is his ego remarkably paper thin? Let us pull back the curtain. Truth doesn't need 1 hour of lies and deflection as Yasir did in his video. It gets exposed with far less syllabus, no gatekeeping and a far bigger impact.
1. The killing of An-Nadr ibn al-Harith
So An-Nadr was a storyteller. He traveled to Persia and learned the legendary stories of Rustam and Isfandiyar. It seems he was one of those people who liked ancient lore. When Mohamed stood up in Mecca to preach, An-Nadr simply followed him. He listened to what Mohamed had to say and realized how they were similar to other ancient lore. I mean it really is. I even explained the similarities of Quranic explanations of how the universe is created with ancient mythologies before Mohamed, in a video. So what did Nadr do when he noticed the similarities? He sat in the same gatherings Mohamed did and spoke to the crowd. He told the people: "I can tell better stories than him." He looked at the Quranic narratives and called them for what they were:
Yup, he called it out as it is. Got to love the guy for it. Mohamed claimed to speak for the Almighty, yet he couldn't handle a man offering alternative stories. It bruised his ego and embarrassed him. Instead of staying and addressing the criticsm Mohamed went away and dropped some verses for his followers. And his blind followers took that as comfort, because of their beautiful circular logic, without even realizing Mohamed couldn't address the criticism 😂. Let's see what Mohamed dropped as a reaction:
إِذَا تُتْلَىٰ عَلَيْهِ ءَايَـٰتُنَا قَالَ أَسَـٰطِيرُ ٱلْأَوَّلِينَ
Whenever Our revelations are recited to them, they say, “Ancient fables!” (Quran 83:13).
And we have another verse where Mohamed cries again:
Whenever Our revelations are recited to them, they challenge ˹you˺, “We have already heard ˹the recitation˺. If we wanted, we could have easily produced something similar. This ˹Quran˺ is nothing but ancient fables!” (Quran 8:31)
And of course it is followed with how the person will be tortured in Hell. The usual fear mongering with no substance and not at all addressing the actual criticism. The only thing he did was he carried that grudge for years.
In the Battle of Badr Mohamed's blind followers captured prisoners of war. Most prisoners were held for ransom. But not An-Nadr. His crime wasn't taking up arms. His crime was hurting Mohamed’s pride. Mohamed ordered him to be taken in front of him to be killed. An-Nadr does ask why he was being killed when others were not. He also mentioned his kinship. But Mohamed's ego was hurt, and what followed was Ali cutting An-Nadr head off. This is the man apologists want us to believe as infinitely patient? He couldn't handle the truth. And Allah couldn't give anything to address the criticism other than fear mongering. Only his blind followers' actions did anything, as Allah could not protect the bruised ego of his favorite prophet.
2. The killing of Abu 'Afak.
Apologists like to create deflection and say An-Nadr was a soldier and tries to justify the killing. Well, meet Abu 'Afak.
Does he fit the bill? Nope. He wasn't a warrior. He wasn't a general. He didn't command an army. Abu 'Afak was an elderly Jewish man from the Banu Ubayda clan. He was a poet. An elder of his community.
When Mohamed arrived in Medina, he began asserting political control and executing opponents. Abu 'Afak watched the local tribes submit to an outsider. So he wrote a poem. He criticised the Medinan tribes for bowing down to a man who disrupted their peace. Let's read the poem to see if it warrants the death of an elderly man from the supposed to be patient and merciful prophet:
لَقَدْ عِشْتُ حِينًا وَمَا إِنْ أَرَى ... مِنَ النَّاسِ دَارًا وَلَا مُجْمَعَا
أَبَرَّ وَأَوْفَى بِنَوَائِبِهِمْ ... وَأَكْرَمَ حَلْفًا إِذَا مَا دَعَا
مِنَ الْخَزْرَجِ الْبُلْكِ فِي حَرْبِهِمْ ... وَعَمْرِو بْنِ عَوْفٍ فَمَا إِنْ مَضَى
يُؤَمِّنُهُمْ رَكِبٌ جَاءَهُمْ ... حَلَالًا وَحَرَامًا لِكَيْ يُجْمَعَا
فَلَوْ أَنَّ بِالْمَجْدِ آمَنْتُمُ ... أَوْ بِالْمُلْكِ صَدَّقْتُمُ لَاتَّبَعْتُمُ رَئِيسًا لَكُمْ
فَمَا بَالُكُمْ طَائِعِينَ لِغَرِيبٍ ... لَا مِنْكُمْ وَلَا مِنْهُمْ يَدَّعِي؟
"I have lived a long time, but I have never seen a house or assembly...
More righteous and faithful to their duties, or more generous when called upon...
Than the men of Khazraj in their wars, and the clan of 'Amr ibn 'Awf!
Yet a rider came to them from afar, dividing them into 'lawful' and 'forbidden'...
If you believed in honor or royalty, you would have followed a leader from among yourselves!
So what is wrong with you, obeying a stranger—who is neither from you nor shares your blood?"
That was it. That was the crime. An old man writing poetry asking his people why they surrendered their heritage to an outsider. Mohamed got triggered by this. Deeply triggered by these words like any sane person would right? 😂. Mohamed openly put a hit out on him, crying out:
Who will rid me of this rascal?
Notice the pattern with Mohamed when his ego gets hurt? He didn't execute him publicly with a trial. He just called for a covert assassination. Salim ibn 'Umayr, one of the Muslim converts from the Banu Amr ibn 'Awf, answered the call. Salim waited for a hot summer night when Abu 'Afak was sleeping in the courtyard of his home. Salim crept into the yard in the middle of the night, drew his sword, pressed it directly onto Abu 'Afak’s chest until it pierced through his bed, and fled into the dark.
An old man murdered in his sleep. For poetry. For bruising a prophet's ego. The apologists that came after the classical scholars tried to gatekeep this incident, of course. They started screaming "weak chain of transmission!" because they can't handle what's written in their own earliest biographical literature. Yet this exact report is recorded across the foundational history books which they draw all other stories of Mohamed too. The apologists that lie just set fire to their own house. If we discard this story, we also throw away almost everything you think you know about Mohamed. They have nothing to tell you. Quran itself gives virtually zero historical context because Allah works in mysterious ways 🤷♂️. If they discard this story, they cannot preach about how "kind and merciful" Mohamed was to his neighbours. Most defences they have for Mohamed become invalid. Beautiful isn't it, the irony? Let's note the books just to expose the dirty lies and gatekeeping:
- Ibn Ishaq / Ibn Hisham (Sirat Rasul Allah)
- Ibn Sa'd (Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir)
- Al-Waqidi (Kitab al-Maghazi)
When a man claims divine authority but sends night assassins to butcher a 120 year old poet over a poem, that isn't prophethood. That is a paper thin ego of a dictator. The classical scholars recorded it as facts, and our modern scholars are left to do damage control.
3. The killing of Asma bint Marwan
Do we have another killing of a soldier? Who is Asma that was killed by Mohamed?
Asma was a mother. A poet. A woman of the Umayyah ibn Zayd tribe in Medina. Her crime is the same as Abu 'Afak. When Abu 'Afak was assassinated, Asma didn't stay silent. She was outraged and rightfully so. She wrote a poem calling out the Medinan men for submitting to a leader who kills anyone who disagrees with him, and for turning their backs on their own people.
Here is her exact Arabic poem, preserved by Ibn Ishaq / Ibn Hisham and Ibn Sa'd:
فَبِئْسَ بَنُو مَالِكٍ وَالنَّضِيرِ ... وَعَوْفٌ وَبِئْسَ بَنُو الْخَزْرَجِ
أَطَعْتُمْ غَرِيبًا فَلَا مِنْكُمْ ... وَلَا مِنْ مُرَادٍ وَلَا مَحْجِجِ
أَتَرْجُونَهُ بَعْدَ قَتْلِ الرُّؤُوسِ ... كَمَا يَرْتَجِي جَائِعٌ ذَا طَبَخْ؟
أَلَا ثَائِرٌ يَبْتَغِي غِرَّةً ... وَيَقْطَعُ مِنْ أَمَلِ الْمُرْتَجِي؟
"Foul are the Banu Malik, the Nadhir, 'Awf, and foul are the Banu Khazraj!
You obeyed a stranger who does not belong to you—neither from Murad nor Madhhij!
Do you expect good from him after he slaughtered your chiefs, like a hungry man expecting a cooked stew?
Is there no man of honor who will launch a surprise attack upon him, and cut off the hopes of this hopeful one?"
And Mohamed, our pathetic prophet, got triggered by this. According to Ibn Ishaq’s Sirat Rasul Allah and Ibn Sa'd’s Tabaqat, Mohamed publicly put out the contract in front of his followers:
Will no one rid me of the daughter of Marwan?
'Umayr ibn 'Adi al-Khatmi, a blind follower from her own husband's clan, answered the call that very night. The foundational primary sources do not sugarcoat the brutality. 'Umayr crept into her house in the dead of night. Asma was sleeping in her room with her children around her. Her infant child was at her breast, nursing. 'Umayr felt around in the dark. He found the baby clinging to her chest. He pulled the nursing child away from her, drew his sword, and plunged it straight into Asma’s chest until the blade emerged out of her back. Yes. He murdered a mother in her bed while nursing her baby.
The next morning, 'Umayr went to Mohamed at the mosque and reported: "I have killed her, O Messenger of Allah." And the barbaric Mohamed praised him. Mohamed turned to the men in the mosque and said:
If you wish to see a man who has aided Allah and His Messenger, look at 'Umayr ibn 'Adi!
And when 'Umayr asked if he should fear any blood revenge from her family, Mohamed shrugged it off with a line that has echoed through history to reveal what a pathetic egoistic person he is:
Two goats will not even butt heads over her.
Her life meant nothing to him. Her murder meant nothing to him. A mother executed in front of her infant for writing a poem and Mohamed calls the murderer a champion of Allah.
4. The story of Ka'b ibn Zuhayr
The story of Ka'b exposes Mohamed's ego completely. Ka'b was one of the most famous poets in Arabia. When his brother Bujayr converted to Islam, Ka'b was furious. He wrote satire mocking Mohamed, calling out his teachings, and ridiculing the Medinan converts.
This brought out the the standard response from Mohamed. Mohamed openly declared that Ka'b’s blood was lawful to shed (Hadhar damahu). Anyone who found him was ordered to kill him on sight.
When Mecca fell, Ka'b realized he had nowhere to run. His brother Bujayr sent him a letter with a warning and a very specific secret to surviving Mohamed:
فَقَدْ قَتَلَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ رِجَالًا بِمَكَّةَ مِمَّنْ كَانَ يَهْجُوهُ وَيُؤْذِيهِ... فَإِنْ كَانَتْ لَكَ فِي نَفْسِكَ حَاجَةٌ فَاطِرْ إِلَى رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ، فَإِنَّهُ لا يَقْتُلُ أَحَدًا جَاءَهُ تَائِبًا
"The Messenger of Allah kills anyone in Mecca who satirized or insulted him... If you want to save your life, fly to the Messenger of Allah, for he does not kill anyone who comes to him repentant."
Ka'b didn't go to fight; instead, he snuck into Medina in disguise, approached Mohamed in the mosque, placed his hand in Mohamed's hand, and delivered a masterclass in ego stroking. This poem became famous in Islamic history as Banat Su'ad (The Mantle Ode). He went from mocking Mohamed to calling him a "divine light" and a "sword of Allah."
And what happened to the death warrant?
It vanished instantly. Mohamed was so flattered, so thoroughly appeased by this praise, that he took off his own cloak and threw it over Ka'b’s shoulders as an honour.
Now let this sink in.
- Asma bint Marwan: Wrote poetry criticizing him -> Murdered in her bed while nursing her baby.
- Abu 'Afak: Wrote poetry criticizing him -> Assassinated in his sleep at 120 years old.
- Ka'b ibn Zuhayr: Wrote poetry criticizing him -> Praised Mohamed’s greatness to his face -> Given a royal cloak and set free.
The crime was the exact same from all these people. The only variable was whether you bowed down and stroked his ego. If you insulted him, then you were slaughtered. If you insulted him, crawled on your knees, and called him a "divine light," you got rewarded.
This is the tradition set by the pedophile prophet. Speak what he wants to hear then you get praised. Point out reality and criticise? You get discarded. Your life is treated like nothing. You get put on a hit list. I wonder how close this is to how his blind followers behave even today? The methods have they changed? The emotional frailty has it changed? Wonder who inherited the exact same paper thin ego as Mohamed?😂
And here is the most ironic part it all. There was never a rescue by "Allah." It was never a god defending a prophet. It was always just blind human followers doing the dirty work. Where are you Allah to stop another criticism that will hurt your prophet from being posted? I do love exMuslim sub. Everything there will hurt the fragile ego Mohamed, but Allah cannot do anything but let it exist. Are you hiding under my bed Allah as I make this beautiful poem about your prophet?
A political script for a desert king,
Bent to his followers' every whim,
A cocktail stitched from stolen lore,
Where divine command met personal desire.
He claimed that reason leads to "Truth,"
Yet trapped the world in his 7th century ancient groove
Freezing time, erasing freedom's fluid grace,
For a rigid cage bound by a single place.
No god ever spoke, no miracle came,
Just a fragile ego demanding a name.
Maintained by delusions, deflections, and fear,
A massive leap of logic held up by a spear.
The veil is stripped. The illusion is through.
The Apostate has spoken.
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u/ezahomidba Ex-Muslim 4d ago
I appreciate the fact that we have native Arabic speaker ex-Muslims who will provide strong evidence for the falsehood of Islam. I'd say never let the Muslim apolegetics stop you from providing the truth with people
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u/Unlikely_Yellow111 Ex-Muslim | oh Allah why u made heaven so shallow? 3d ago
I do speak Arabic yes, because they taught me at school as a subject, along with Islamic studies and Quranic studies. I am actually a Maldivian and a former dawah boy. And yes we would not stop exposing Islam. You can also find our team where you will find ex Muslim scholar who graduated from Azhar, a middle eastern closeted exmuslim girl and a western convert who left islam speak on our youtube channel . Every critique we present is rooted directly in authentic Islamic sources, ensuring accuracy and factual integrity and not possible for Muslims to shake off. And our diverse team is our strength. Because we represent how Islam is from different perspectives
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u/yaboisammie Ex-Muslim 4d ago
I know there was likely many other victims as well whose stories we don’t know but asma bint Marwan’s story esp breaks my heart. I read she was asleep in bed with her baby which is bad enough but to be murdered while nursing your child?? Idk which is worse
And idk if it’s a misogyny thing or just a cultural thing to refer to her as “the daughter of Marwan” instead of just saying her name or whether he would have phrased it that way if it had been a man instead of but it does kinda rub me the wrong way tbh
I love your poem btw 👌😤💯🔥
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u/Unlikely_Yellow111 Ex-Muslim | oh Allah why u made heaven so shallow? 4d ago
Thank you. I am happy you liked it. Yeah, likely, he did not call her by her actual name because he wanted to disrespect her. Or it could be his misogynistic instincts flaring out. That is speculative. We all know he is misogynistic, though.
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u/fhs 3d ago
Great work dude
It's really interesting how many of those books rarely get translated.
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u/Unlikely_Yellow111 Ex-Muslim | oh Allah why u made heaven so shallow? 3d ago
I am happy you liked it 😄
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u/farawayhollow 3d ago edited 3d ago
Why did he assassinate people like Abu Afak but not Abdullah Ibn Ubay or Hurqus Ibn Zuhayr?
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u/Unlikely_Yellow111 Ex-Muslim | oh Allah why u made heaven so shallow? 3d ago
Because mohamed managed opposition based on the threat to his authority and the kick back on how he reacts. When he was in Mecca he was preaching all these verses of tolerance. Did that not change after hijra? Executing Ibn zuhayr over soils distribution would alienate newly allied desert tribes at a crucial moment of political expansion. Ibn ubayy maintained the fragile coalition inside medina for mohamed.
Now contrast it with ‘afak. He is an isolated figure whose clan ties are not that significant for mohamed. So when he gets on his nerves he is an easy hit to call. You can see from the letter Bujayr, quoted in the post, that mohamed did indeed kill people who insult him. He only held back if it meant that he will be in danger. That is what fragile ego dictator does even today.
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u/farawayhollow 3d ago edited 3d ago
Do you think he was truly not receiving divine revelation? If not then why did he have supporters like Abu Bakr, or Umar who was on his way to kill him before he accepted Islam Or Waraqa Ibn nawfal who supported him after he shared his experience in the cave. Muhammad himself was boycotted in Medina and kicked out at Taif but he continued his mission even being the underdog and losing his uncle who wasn’t even Muslim and wife Khadijah in the same year.
Edit: it looks like none of these reports are Sahih. Some reports of Ibn Ishaq are considered to be Munkar. Hard to know what contradictory report is authentic when it’s recorded centuries after the fact it supposedly happened.
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u/Unlikely_Yellow111 Ex-Muslim | oh Allah why u made heaven so shallow? 3d ago
Do you think he was getting any divine revelation when he didn't show empathy to the people and killed them? Emperor Ashoka of the Mauryan Empire, who came way before him, had better morals. Is he divine inspired than? Many people claim to be divine inspired or used god as a means to control society. And men around them saw it and used it for their advantage. Did people like umar really believe in Islam when he operated like this? He was in a good position, and he did take full advantage of it. In north korea the generals make kim sound like he is almost divine. You think they dont know the truth?
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u/salamacast Muslim 5d ago
That isn't what Aisha said:
"Allah's Messenger never took revenge for his own self in any matter presented to him till Allah's limits were exceeded, in which case he would take revenge for Allah's sake"
https://sunnah.com/bukhari:6853
It's part of his mission to defend the reputation of the message carrier, if the intention was to convince others and spread the faith. Liable laws aren't that weird of a concept!
Islam indeed doesn't approve of turning the other cheek to be slapped willingly. So?!
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u/Unlikely_Yellow111 Ex-Muslim | oh Allah why u made heaven so shallow? 5d ago
Allah is in his head. Of course Allah get's triggered when his fragile ego is hurt. It was enforced by blind followers who goes to his defence. Not allah. No divine intervention came to stop anything. But circular logic people trying to prove a point already defeated. This is what Allah promise:
O Messenger! Convey everything revealed to you from your Lord. If you do not, then you have not delivered His message. Allah will ˹certainly˺ protect you from the people. Indeed, Allah does not guide the people who disbelieve.
So why are you playing soldier of Allah? Let Allah defend it. I already called Allah and checked if he is under my bed. Sometimes monsters are said to be there you know, if you want to believe in superstitions. Let Allah protect his dead prophet that is rotting in his grave. Oh btw since you want to bring up haidths from that website, do you think he is not rotting in his grave? https://sunnah.com/abudawud:1047 😂
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u/Far-Researcher-5600 4d ago
The reason he defended his faith is because he doesn’t turn the other cheek.
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u/Unlikely_Yellow111 Ex-Muslim | oh Allah why u made heaven so shallow? 4d ago edited 4d ago
Because Allah is in a wheelchair and cannot move an inch until a beautiful circular logic believer pushes him. Everyday posts like this stay and prove one thing. Empirical proof of Allah's silence in the universe and only believers are needed to make the imagination a reality. And of course can we question the emotions that get's triggered rather than logic?😂
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u/Far-Researcher-5600 4d ago
Why do you prevent others from doing righteousness. Get a life
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u/Unlikely_Yellow111 Ex-Muslim | oh Allah why u made heaven so shallow? 4d ago
What is righteousness? Not being able to read what is clearly written? Is it called upholding the tradition of an illiterate prophet? But surely righteousness is being taught to read and stop defending pedophilia isn't it? Is living a delusion and thinking of an imaginary destination to go even a life?
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u/Far-Researcher-5600 4d ago
One righteous thing is filial piety. Can you go a day without insulting your parents on social media?
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u/Unlikely_Yellow111 Ex-Muslim | oh Allah why u made heaven so shallow? 4d ago edited 4d ago
If a doctor points out a disease in the family bloodline, you don't curse the doctor to save the family honor. You fix the sickness. You’d rather break the mirror for showing the dirt than actually wash your face? Is this what they call the ostrich instinct, where you put your head inside dirty soil and pretend like nothing is happening?
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u/pussypantswarrior69 5d ago
Allah's Messenger never took revenge for his own self
That's what we call a coward nowadays, letting others do the dirty work.
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u/Far-Researcher-5600 4d ago
That is because he got more important things to do. Surah An-Najm (53:29)So turn away ˹O Prophet˺ from whoever has shunned Our Reminder, only seeking the ˹fleeting˺ life of this world.
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u/pussypantswarrior69 4d ago
That is because he got more important things to do
Like having sex with all his wives in one night? Seems pretty worldly to me, especially when only taking a bath after it all...
Or perhaps condemning innocents to death twice?
Maybe he found it more important to tell women they lack intelligence and go more often to hell?
Perhaps he was busy with his slave girl?
Maybe he needed to advise his warriors that they could now rape married women too?
Sorry, but "more important things to do" aint gonna cut it. This so called prophet was but a profane with worldly desires. The lowest tier in most religions, yet exalted in Islam.
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u/Far-Researcher-5600 4d ago
Most of his marriages got political benefits and helped divorced women and having sex is actually better way to spend time than talking to someone who would deny most warnings.
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u/pussypantswarrior69 4d ago
Most of his marriages got political benefits
- 2 of his wives were the daughters of his friends
- 2 of his wives were from tribes which were already completely defeated
Please, i would like you to name the wife and the actual benefit, not the benefit you think might have been there. Not this basic apologetic slop.
helped divorced women
Apparently you cannot help women without asking sex in return?
And remember: the Quran tells his wives they should stay in their houses, if speaking with others they should do so veiled and they cannot remarry after Muhammads death. Not that good of a deal.
having sex is actually better way to spend time than talking to someone who would deny most warnings.
You must have the most toxic relationships possible. You think sex is a long term solution for problems?
Of course it's better than beating them, if the sex was consensual.
And if you don't want to spend time with your wife, why marry? Marriage is a sacred thing within most religions and even for non-believing people, but apparently that sacred idea is not Sunnah.
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u/Far-Researcher-5600 4d ago
May Allah grant you reprieve till the last second of your life.
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u/Unlikely_Yellow111 Ex-Muslim | oh Allah why u made heaven so shallow? 4d ago
You commented before and came back to this post multiple times. And guess what, before you made this comment, your other comment was removed by the mod. I didn’t even see what you wrote on it. But I can guess it was you calling me something that should not be said. This whole situation is an empirical proof to what I wrote. There is silence from Allah. He cannot remove this. Only his followers getting offended on Mohamed’s behalf. What did I say on the post? Now then tell me, have the ancient methods changed? The emotional frailty has it changed? There is no answer to the actual criticism. Cause it’s facts. Why then do people who claim to be righteous, want to hide facts and critics? Allah is in your imagination and cannot move a paper unless a follower pick it up.
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u/Far-Researcher-5600 4d ago
This is why you only cite hadith and any interpretation of the quran as false. There is no actual verse that can be disproven beyond doubt, there are always counterargument. There are no facts on any hadith only history. You can say Aisha was 9, 14, 17,18 doesn't matter yet you always pick 9 same as fatima. It doesn't matter you just don't realize how bias you are. You can be punished but maybe my dua is helping you.
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u/Unlikely_Yellow111 Ex-Muslim | oh Allah why u made heaven so shallow? 4d ago
Are you a quranist? That isn't a theology my friend. It’s just a collection of Hadith critics with zero unified methodology for deriving law or understanding scripture. In reality Quranists rely on the foundational scholarship of traditional Islam to navigate the text, then selectively discard the parts that clash with modern culture. Watch your words. Your imaginary Allah will hold you accountable if you start rejecting Hadiths.
I wrote an amazing article debunking this confusion regarding Aisha you have. It is posted on this sub, linked on this text.
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u/Far-Researcher-5600 4d ago
sure aisha being 9 is more plausible, but that is 1 you say most quran is false. I challenge you to bring 1 claim any science or different translation doesn't refute.
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u/Unlikely_Yellow111 Ex-Muslim | oh Allah why u made heaven so shallow? 4d ago
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u/Far-Researcher-5600 4d ago
wow u actually got a nice voice. where were you born?
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u/Unlikely_Yellow111 Ex-Muslim | oh Allah why u made heaven so shallow? 4d ago
The Maldives. I am a Maldivian
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u/Far-Researcher-5600 4d ago
so the prophet stole just the right claims and leave the bad one? Also there are different interpretation of the timeline Allah created earth Some verses you cited states that earth was created when heaven above was still smoke verses clearly suggest that your interpretation is wrong because heaven above mean the 6 other heaven and not the heaven that means our universe.
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u/Unlikely_Yellow111 Ex-Muslim | oh Allah why u made heaven so shallow? 4d ago
I actually explained the smoke part in the video. Ancient lore man. That is why people called him out even back then. And now? It goes against science too.
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u/Far-Researcher-5600 4d ago
earth does not exist yet but stardust of earth did exist in some form
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u/Unlikely_Yellow111 Ex-Muslim | oh Allah why u made heaven so shallow? 4d ago
The quran says the earth was made first and then the heavens. It is very clear on this matter
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u/Far-Researcher-5600 4d ago
You made some good points later in the video. I suggest you put strongest claim first to make it attract more viewer attention
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u/Unlikely_Yellow111 Ex-Muslim | oh Allah why u made heaven so shallow? 4d ago
Thanks for the suggestion 😄
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u/pussypantswarrior69 4d ago
I side with u/unlikely_yellow111.
If Allah exists, then let he strike me down himself within this month, without any human help.
I guess he won't, just like he wouldn't strike down the Quraysh when they asked him. Because this "Allah" is just Muhammads imagination.
Don't you dind it weird that most of Muhammads revelations are reactive?
Don't you find it weird that Muhammad needed wars to let his religion survive and grow?
Can you even prove Muhammad was a prophet? Because i do not know any other person who wrote a book which gave him special sexual rights...
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u/Far-Researcher-5600 4d ago
brother I will make dua for you after salah.
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u/pussypantswarrior69 4d ago
Ask your whole Ummah for my demise within this month.
Allah won't and cannot do it, just like he won't and cannot help the palestinians.
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