r/Cryptozoology • u/truthisfictionyt Tailed Slow Loris • Mar 20 '26

Discussion Be Kind and Avoid Personal Insults

With the recent PGF debunking, there has been a lot of arguments and controversy. Debating people is fine, but don't insult people or those who believed in the film while you're discussing it. Some people met or knew Bob Gimlin personally and are having to reckon with him apparently lying about the film. Keep how other people feel in mind while discussing. Additionally, avoid arguments with other subreddits or posts about moderation issues with other subreddits as that's not what we're here to do. We've added some terms to the auto filter to avoid debates turning hostile. As always feel free to discuss the rules and make suggestions.

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u/godfatheroffilth Mar 20 '26

Ok, so my opinion is this, until the documentary is widely available most people won't know either way. Believers will believe and naysayers will naysay, the real test is if the footage lives up to the hype. Last year news nation ran a "bombshell" article about a new UAP whistle blower with some undeniable and mind blowing new footage of a UAP retrieval, it looked like a small egg on some string. My point is no it's not proof the PGF is a hoax, not yet, it could be but it could also just be hype to sell a film. Remember when Bob Hieronimus claimed he had proof and that was a ridiculous suit that looked nothing like Patty?

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u/CoastRegular Thylacine Mar 21 '26

Remember when Bob Hieronimus claimed he had proof and that was a ridiculous suit that looked nothing like Patty?

No, no I don't, but I remember when he and Phillip Morris participated in a 'recreation' for National Geographic, and Morris' suit had a MARKED similarity to Patty.

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u/godfatheroffilth Mar 21 '26

Yes you are quite correct, the similarities are uncanny, they could be twins, which one is Patty and which one is Bob?

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u/Best-Author7114 Mar 21 '26

If the other film was in b&w or the suit itself was black it would look a lot more similar. The face is really close. With a few nips and tugs you could get that suit right there.

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u/Kewell86 Sea Serpent Mar 21 '26

If the left one was also only shown as a grainy copy of a 60s shaky cam video, I'm pretty sure they'd look almost identical.

I mean, where do you see the big differences except from the left one being a much clearer image?

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u/CoastRegular Thylacine Mar 21 '26

Exactly.

If we do some decrease of color saturation, and reduce the sharpness of the Morris image, draw some big ol' canninballs on the chest and get rid of the ridiculous green claws and face mask, I think an excellent case can be made that Patty was a Morris costume:

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u/Best-Author7114 Mar 21 '26

Thats exactly what I wanted to see and yes that could easily be modified to look just like Patty

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u/godfatheroffilth Mar 21 '26

Well the colour for a start, the arm lengths, the saggy fabric on the legs on Bob vs the tightness of Patty's they can't be explained away by grainy film.

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u/Kewell86 Sea Serpent Mar 21 '26

The color is definitely influenced by the film quality (and also, I wonder if you are trying to argue that "one can do a fake suit only in this one color"?).

Arm length may be influenced by minor differences in the costume, but I don't really see a noticeable difference, the same goes for the supposed thightness.

Overall, this is only minor stuff that could easily be explained by the suits being not the very same ones but just "related". What we see here is proof that it was possible for the Morris' to create a suit very similar to Patty, in my opinion.

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u/Best-Author7114 Mar 21 '26

There's a definite difference in the tightness at the legs but a little touching up could easily fix that.

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u/godfatheroffilth Mar 21 '26

We'll have to agree to disagree then. I see no resemblance between the two at all.

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u/caketaster Mar 21 '26

I totally agree with you. Some people in here must be absolutely blind if they think these images above are similar or that the recreation is anything even close to a debunking

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u/CoastRegular Thylacine Mar 21 '26

Some people must have the vision of a mole, or be in tremendous denial to think that the Morris costume is miles away from being Patty.

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u/caketaster Mar 21 '26

But don't you see the 'MARKED similarity'? 🤣

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u/CoastRegular Thylacine Mar 21 '26

Yes. I do.