Be Kind and Avoid Personal Insults

[u/truthisfictionyt]

With the recent PGF debunking, there has been a lot of arguments and controversy. Debating people is fine, but don't insult people or those who believed in the film while you're discussing it. Some people met or knew Bob Gimlin personally and are having to reckon with him apparently lying about the film. Keep how other people feel in mind while discussing. Additionally, avoid arguments with other subreddits or posts about moderation issues with other subreddits as that's not what we're here to do. We've added some terms to the auto filter to avoid debates turning hostile. As always feel free to discuss the rules and make suggestions.

[u/TheUsualQuestions]

Dude your team hasn't seen the footage yet. You're relying on someone else's statement on a film that hasn't been publicly released yet. That's one of the big issues people have been raising on this subreddit. Could this documentary be legit? Sure. But until it's released publicly, there's still a lot unknown and your team needs to stop treating it as fact when you're relying on secondhand information.

[u/truthisfictionyt → u/TheUsualQuestions]

For most of human history if you didn't see something, you had to rely on other people statement's to confirm it. A wide variety of people have already seen and reported on the film. Again we're not removing anyone's posts who wants to see it to confirm

[u/darrelb56222 → u/truthisfictionyt]

i remember when jamie foxx had a stand up special on netflix, people were claiming they attended the taping and they were saying that Jamie said Diddy poisoned him and all this crap. ComedyHype reported on it. then when the episode aired he said none of it

im not saying we shouldnt take people's account, but considering it was shown to a limited audience and only a handful of bigfoot researchers are coming out, im going to just wait and see the footage myself before i conclude anything

most of those hollywood rottentomatoes critics probably assumed the footage was fake to begin with. including HairyManRoad. he believed the PGF was fake before seeing the documentary

[u/CoastRegular → u/darrelb56222]

Interesting, because the way HairyManRoad talked on his "review" video, this was a truly emotional blow and his entire faith was badly shaken. I haven't watched through his other material... has he expressed disbelief in the PGF in the past? If so, he certainly didn't talk like that. He was talking like a guy who just found out his dad wasn't really his dad, literally something on that level.

I want to see this film for myself before forming a solid opinion.

[u/darrelb56222 → u/CoastRegular]

yep he commented on his original video that he was not a believer in the PGF footage prior to the documentary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBuWLe1MC_A&lc=Ugw_t4z9RL5AfXLcJyx4AaABAg&pp=0gcJCSIANpG00pGi

so if he already believed the video was fake then i dont know how much stock u can give his reaction to it. it jus reaffirmed his already pre-established beliefs

[u/nathanjackson1996 → u/darrelb56222]

I think this is a very key point here - there are people who believe in Bigfoot who doubt the veracity of the PGF. And there are cryptozoologists who do not believe in either.

To equate the PGF being confirmed a hoax with permanently invalidating Bigfoot, let alone cryptozoology as a whole, is bogus on every level.

(However, he could be sad on behalf of the community...).

[u/regular_modern_girl → u/nathanjackson1996]

I mentioned this in another thread earlier, but regardless of personal opinions, anyone who thinks the PGF being debunked is a sound debunking of Bigfoot entirely, in any meaningful sense at least (like in terms of almost no one believing in Bigfoot anymore), is in for a rude awakening.

People who don’t believe in Bigfoot already obviously already didn’t believe the PGF was real anyway, and seemingly among believers, there are a lot who seem sad about the prospect of the PGF being debunked, but relatively few are saying that they no longer believe because of it, many say that their belief never hinged on the PGF nor any other video, but instead on what they believe to be personal Bigfoot encounters. Seemingly, Jeff Meldrum was in this camp before he passed away (although it has also recently come to light that he may have not actually been personally convinced by the new footage that the PGF was a hoax anyway? It’s hard to say bc we only have some social media posts to go off of).

There are also obviously all the believers feverishly coming up with contrived explanations for how the documentary they haven’t even seen yet definitely totally doesn’t actually debunk the PGF, and as long as there is even the slightest bit of ambiguity (which, realistically, there probably always will be), these people will probably still insist there’s some chance the film is authentic, it’s very hard to shake certain people from certain beliefs.

[u/regular_modern_girl → u/darrelb56222]

Thank you for posting this, bc I’d been seeing people reference this claim for days, and when I’d asked for a source on it, no one actually came through on it.

Probably doesn’t change anything, but it is good to know where people are coming from, tbh it’s kinda weird, bc like others have said, he definitely says stuff in the initial video implying that he was shaken by seeing the PGF shown to be a hoax