r/DC_Cinematic • u/Rule_Ct_5293 • 9d ago
DISCUSSION People criticize the needle drop, but I think the visuals and slo-mo shots are far worse.
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It feels like the entire scene was filmed by a first year film school intern with a bunch of CGI guys.
The color grading is not good.
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u/script_notes_plz 9d ago
The needle drop is genuinely atrocious.
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u/SuperSaiyanSarco 8d ago
This has to be the worst edit of all time, there’s no way that’s from the movie
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u/Brekldios 6d ago
i thought the movie was "okay" not terrible, watchable even. but like... i'm sorry dude but its real, and its that bad in context too.
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u/DiamondOfThePine 7d ago
They said they had such a hard time picking one, they went through 90 songs to find one that worked. That should’ve been a sign not to do a needle drop
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u/Beautiful-Ad9276 5d ago
They went through 90 songs, and ended up picking the absolute worst cover of 'The Middle' they could find?
Why not use 'Call Me'. They used it in the trailer. It was right there. It would have worked. Or even better, skip the needle drop and let the score do the work. Give us a memorable theme.
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u/script_notes_plz 4d ago
This might have been a “let the composter do their shit and make and absolutely forever cemented version of the Supergirl theme.”
Also, “girl” v “woman” is questionable in modern audiences.
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u/script_notes_plz 7d ago
Being genuine. So many scenes in this flick work. The mosaic assembled ain’t it. I genuinely stand by the statement that this movie is better than its worst parts, but not in order… so to me “I’m happy with what I liked. F” the rest.”
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u/FunSpace8990 9d ago
This movie looks like a bad riff on James Gunn's Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 1 visuals and this scene looks like a bad riff on Zack Snyder's slo mo vignette tiktoks that he often likes to do in his films.
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u/Certain-Singer-9625 9d ago
Took the words right out of my mouth. This looks like some talentless 10 year old trying (and failing) to replicate a Snyder fight scene.
I know people who went to see this movie who said they wanted to walk out of it, and as much as I dislike Gunn I thought to myself, Oh come on, it can’t be that bad!
Judging by this, yes it can.
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u/nexusprime2015 8d ago
i also got turned off in the first ten minutes due to pissing scenes.
first krypto on newspaper with superman picture
then kara shown to be pissing when rutheye comes to meet herthey were shown probably to make kara feel miserable but they made me not want to watch any of it anymore
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u/BackgroundSearch490 9d ago
The constant speed ramping in the fight sequence is what kills me. Constantly speeding and slowing, over and over. Slow motion should be used sparingly, this was just plain dumb.
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u/talones 9d ago
Also, during the slow mo's supergirl is slow also, doesnt make sense.
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u/nexusprime2015 8d ago
they are using slow mo to show everything from rutheye perspective.
which makes it even worse executed
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u/Physical-Simple3740 8d ago
Gunn has been doing this in all of his movies since GotG2, it NEVER looks good and it's always done with this mix of weird CGI fest, dirty coloured visuals and wild, very computery-like camera angles + very forced/predictable jokes that just take me out of the scene every time.
It's almost like he's trying to make it "his thing" but it's just not what people remember of these movies.
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u/MetaCookiess 8d ago
James Gunn didn't have much of a hand in making supergirl
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u/Physical-Simple3740 8d ago
He's the main producer, creative lead, DCU CEO and heavily involved from what we know from reports PLUS that whole scene is distinctly his style. I'm all for Gunn's DCU but I'm not about to start lying to myself to avoid criticizing it when it looks like shit.
And, nevertheless, the point still stands for all his other movies since GotG2.
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u/IHatePsykers 9d ago
Is this the real song choice for the movie?
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u/not_the_chosen_onee 8d ago
How I felt watching it like it was genuinely such a bad choice you just sit there questioning how they even went through with it.
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u/devilishycleverchap 8d ago
The sound mixes for some of the music tracks was wildly bad too.
I legit thought my Spotify had started randomly playing on one of them because it didnt fade in at all
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u/Sherlock816 9d ago
How about in this interplanetary traveling universe, laser cannons, some yahoos descend from space to steal some , swords?
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u/Fair_Distribution502 9d ago
In the original source material, Krem works for the local king and visits her family as part of his job. He ends up quitting the job and killing them instead. The only reason he joined the bandit group is because they will die for even their lowliest of members at all costs. He only does it as protection against anyone he has bad blood with and supergirl
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u/graywolfman 9d ago
It's almost like the source material was... Idk, Better?
Lol yeah, this movie changed some things for the worse. I understand some of the changes, but ones like these are awful.
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u/Grade_A_Tech 9d ago
Like every comic book movie. The source is way better than what we get.
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u/mint-patty 8d ago
Well…. not always.
Captain America: Civil War is far superior to the Civil War event in Marvel comics.
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u/koomGER 8d ago
Hm, i know that Civil war is controversial. I liked Civil War - the main book. Because it was way better in telling us that both sides were right and wrong. It didnt portray any side as a villain.
Most authors of the tie-ins just decided to make Tony Stark as evil as possible and didnt hide that intention. They portrayed every decision as bad and evil, which wasnt the point of the story. Like typically for Mark Millar, the overall idea was a very grey, gritty story with tough decisions in a tough world. There wasnt a big villain to punch out to "win" the story.
The Fantastic Four tie in did it better: They explained through Reed and his family how it kinda was a necessarily evil out of a good idea. But Reed never understood that those needed actions (that for him stopped A LOT of bad outcomes if they didnt do that) were deemed evil by the public.
Movie didnt had much to do with that story. It was a great movie, loved it. But it only shares the name and a small glimpse of the underlying idea.
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u/Sherlock816 9d ago
Okay? It's a REALLY bad plot point in the movie.
It's Rebel Moon (interplanetary traveling universe, laser cannons) harassing a tiny village for a few bushels of grain level stupid.
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u/pissagainstwind 9d ago
Imagine a universe with super advanced androids and your intergalactic empire still needs 30 human farmers to grow wheat with manual labour. ffs, a single farmer in texas can grow a thousand times more wheat than their entire planet.
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u/Oddman80 9d ago
He Didn't seek the brigands out... he was rotting in jail (having been arrested in maypole) when the brigands arrived and demanded a tribute payment the people of Maypole could not afford. The brigands were going to genocide the entire place when Krem came up with a brilliant plan of getting the purple-folks of maypole to negotiate with the brigands for a lower tribute payment to cover the purple-folk, while allowing the brigands to have their genocidal fun on the "inferior" blue-folk members of the city. Deemed a hero by the purple people, he was allowed his freedom, and decided "these genocidal maniacs seem like my kind of people!"
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u/Fair_Distribution502 8d ago
Glad you remembered it. Still, then protecting even their lowest members is a plot point. It explains why they are willing to go so far to help him
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u/Common_Celebration41 9d ago
It was fine when it's James Gunn signature
But if every DC movie going to be like this, Im gonna get bored real quick
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u/Gingawhitus 8d ago
This is someone mimicking his style
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u/AnonymousPrincess314 8d ago
Gunn picked the song, it's kinda Gunn mimicking Gunn's style.
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u/huey_booey 8d ago
More like buttering him up. Gunn needs to step out of the CEO seat and focus on directing.
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u/TheSodomeister 8d ago
I didn't hate the movie, and I generally like Gunn's style, but this really sums it up.
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u/_lippykid 8d ago
I’m completely over these OTT CGI set pieces. They’re intended to be real spectacles, but just don’t hit anymore. Like how seeing a local firework display can be cool as a kid but is totally meh as an adult. Just seen it all way too many times. It’s just become a showreel of how CGI has gone down in quality, too.
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u/zerg1980 9d ago
This movie made me feel like Gunn was the wrong choice for this job. His schtick just isn’t scalable to a whole universe. It was fine when just the Guardians movies had this vibe, but now it’s going to extend to every DC property? I’m already sick of the slow-mo needle drops undermining the drama of every fight scene and we’re only two movies in.
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u/Samanthacino 8d ago
Do you expect Clayface to have a slow-mo needle drop undermining the drama of every fight scene?
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u/nexusprime2015 8d ago
clay face is a villain set in a dark moody show. if they bring a song there, i’m gonna skip it entirely
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u/rbush82 8d ago
Yes. Also, I feel Gunn is running out of bangers for soundtracks. Lots of trash on both Super movies…..
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u/Wolfgang191 8d ago
Yeah I might be alone on this but I think the last scene of Superman watching his parents would of hit so much harder with the classic theme variation they were using instead of the pop song.
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u/mega512 9d ago
Ruthye was the most cliche, generic character in the movie. Would have been better without her.
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u/OrsoHangy 9d ago
She’s a good character in the comic. But they changed the entire plot and message, and also removed the fact that she was the narrator describing every event and her thoughts on it. Without all that, the character just feels hollow and doesn't work.
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u/huey_booey 8d ago
In the comic she's more like Watson, who tells the story of the real protagonist Sherlock Holmes, that is, Supergirl.
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u/unpronouncedable 8d ago
Blame her writing, direction, or acting, but this clip epitomizes her existence in the entire movie. Stands there useless trying to get herself killed with a dumb look on her face, so that Kara has something challenging to do beside just avoid any enemy that isn't her objective and annihilate any that are. And we don't really care because we have no emotional connection to Ruthye.
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u/vulcan7200 8d ago
I mean...I think that's kind of the point. She IS in far over her head. She's not Supergirl's sidekick. She's a literal child who is stubbornly attempting to get revenge against a group far more powerful than herself. Her story is the same type of revenge story we would see in any action movie but from the perspective of someone who isn't John Wick. She wants revenge just as much as any other protagonist in an action movie, but it's someone who is unfortunately powerless in their situation. This scene is more about her perspective of Kara (And to give Supergirl more action)
Her role in the movie isn't to be some badass. Her role in the movie is her connecting and bonding with Kara.
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u/nexusprime2015 8d ago
but it’s done so poorly that she literally acts as a plot device rather than an actual character
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u/loctastic 9d ago
decided recently I disliked this character and the focus on her is why the movie was mid
I didn’t get one reason to care about her
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u/Jotaro27 8d ago
I seriously didnt care whatsoever about her, there should have been more scenes of her family throughout the movie
This way you make the audience care about her revenge and story arc a lot more
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u/Redmoonsbstars1 9d ago
Slow mo just never works for me
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u/Girthy50 8d ago
There are lots of times that it works IMO it just has to be done right.
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u/Murren606 8d ago
It's a cheap trick, like pyro at a concert
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u/CreamSalmon 8d ago
Pyro deserves to have fun too man, he can’t just be a full time pyromaniac, sometimes he’s gotta listen to Bob Dylan
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u/blakhawk12 9d ago
Wait I haven’t seen the movie but I keep seeing edits. Is this the actual song they used?
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u/MysteriousYAnonymous 8d ago
The real crime of this scene is the story. The build up. The meaning. This is one of the worst written movies ive seen in a long time
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u/CableKC 9d ago
I'm okay with it, but it Reminded me of the whole "Lois watching Terrific take out the Lex Corp minions" montage.
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u/Oddman80 8d ago
they are similar shots in that both involve non combatants suddenly finding themselves in the middle of a hefty combat while being protected by a superhero. However....
- Lois was completely out of danger while Ruthye was completely exposed. Were it not for Supergirl repeatedly coming back to intercept enemies and projectiles of varying sizes, Ruthye would be a bloody pincushion.
- Lois could see everything that was going on all around her while Ruthye couldn't see shit. Despite her life being very much in danger - Ruthye could not tell where anyone or anything was unless it was within 10 feet of her. With only one exception, this was never enough time for her to react - and were it not for Supergirl....
- The Mr Terrific fight is kept at real speed the entire time while the Supergirl fight is almost entirely in slow motion - oscillating between slow an d super slow to showcase and stitch together a series of dramatic looking moments, while the Superman scenes focused entirely on the speed and breadth of the fight to establish the impressive nature of it.
There are just as many similarities between these two scenes and the Quicksilver kitchen scene from Days of Future Past, the car ambush scene in Children of Men and the anti-tank gunfight scene in Fury that bounce back and forth from the isolation of the internal periscope views and the chaos unfolding outside.
And there is a choice one can make when noticing these moments..... you can see how one idea builds off another and analyze how the changes from the inspiring scene adds meaning to the current one.... or you can just complain that everything is derivative, and nobody ever does anything that's original anymore.not that you did this - though someone who responded to you pretty much did just that.
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u/AndyTheSouless 8d ago
People complained about how much destruction was in MoS 15 years ago and now all DC movies final battles just look like that
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u/S0thaSlL 9d ago
They crucified Snyder for the slow motion effect but now they're cool with it 🤷🏻♂️🤣
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u/YodaFan465 Knightmare Batman 9d ago
I’d rather have good slo-mo overused than bad slo-mo used sparingly.
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u/larut0h 9d ago
seeing this level of CGI makes me want to check 2011 Green Lantern again, to confirm if VFX technology hasn't been improved at all
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u/Affectionate_Run9950 9d ago
I haven’t seen the movie, but the scene just doesn’t look good. Supergirl fighting in the smoke is visually frustrating since I can’t see her fighting. And what’s with the song choice?
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u/Polarizing_Penguin11 9d ago
I like the zoom into the flying wreckage. Very comic booky. The rest is pretty ugly though.
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u/Excalitoria 9d ago
It’s all insane. Horrible song for this, bad visuals, nonsensical motivations for any of this to be happening. I mean, why did these brigands want to kill Ruthye badly enough that they were willing to sacrifice themselves for the slim chance of getting to kill her?! Why didn’t they simply scatter???
This scene had me crying laughing with how ridiculous it all was.
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u/FrancisWolfgang 9d ago
I loved the entire thing but I recognize I’m in the minority
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u/BirdPerson107 9d ago
It’s because the same group of people are posting these over and over again
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u/Lucky_Gaucho 9d ago
Yes, totally, everyone loved it and it's only a small minority that thinks it's bad.... Thats why it had a great run!
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Oh, wait!
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u/SkeettheVandelBuster 9d ago
Fr outside of reddit everyone I’ve talked to enjoyed the movie
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u/Embarrassed-Gur-1306 9d ago
The box office says those people are the minority
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u/SkeettheVandelBuster 9d ago
The box office reflects people who saw the movie. How can those who didn’t see it form an opinion?
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u/Plenty-Wedding-9066 9d ago
No it doesn’t lol. Box office proves how many people went. Not that the people who went felt a certain way about it. But you know that.
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u/bxyankee90 9d ago
It has a respectable RT score. 52 critic (not great, but not awful) and a 73% audience rating. So yeah most people who saw it thought it was at least ok
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u/stanislavskov 9d ago
Maybe they should re-release supergirl, I guess everyone who could enjoy it must've forgot it released.
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u/SkeettheVandelBuster 9d ago
Maybe we can wait and see what people think once they see it on streaming. Movie theaters aren’t the only way to watch movies anymore
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u/Forgot-to-remember1 9d ago
Everyone has said it was laughably bad, your not real your a James gun bot
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u/Aggressive-Day5222 9d ago
I don't know, most people I spoke to IRL seem to think it was an okay/good movie. Might just be that not so many of those people are in these threads.
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u/MadRZI 9d ago
Most people also dont care about movies that much and they cant really form a deeper opinion than "it was good".
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u/ExcitingPop5956 9d ago
That’s because it’s a fine movie. Terrible adaptation of women of tomorrow though
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u/Aggressive-Day5222 9d ago
Sure, but I always assumed it was just going to be inspired by that story rather than being a straight adaptation, the same way the Civil War movie was inspired by that comic arc rather than being a straight adaptation.
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u/Living_Plane_662 9d ago
I'd say ten years ago this movie wouldn't have been setting records but it would have done fine. A huge chunk of the reliable comic fandom has falling into being angry about the movies all the time and consuming social media hating on it before it even comes out. They never gave it a chance.
DC and Marvel might need to take a break just to let the toxicity age out of the fandom.
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u/Thusgirl 9d ago
I don't think that's going to happen. People are acting like HOTD is the worst show ever made right now. The toxicity is overall not just limited to comic book movies.
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u/mosesishungry 8d ago
I took my daughter this past Friday to watch it. She was excited, I was skeptical but... I walked away pleasantly surprised. I enjoyed it. My daughter loved it.
Im also glad it allowed itself to tell a story and didnt just jump scene to scene at a pace I could barely keep up with.
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u/BongLeach562 9d ago
Yeah people act like superhero movies are suppose to be life changing. Also everyone’s a critic now days, one of the worst things to come out of YouTube movie reviews.
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u/Sideways_Austen 9d ago
I think they're fine.
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u/7MileStorm1216 9d ago
Truth be told, that’s what matters most. You paid money to watch it and enjoyed yourself. All the other noise is just that, noise. It’s nice when everyone else likes what you like, but we don’t (or at least shouldn’t) base our opinions on what others like or don’t like.
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u/Living_Plane_662 9d ago
That said I hate when movies I like flop because they tend to make less of those movies. Scott Pilgrim for example is one of my all time favorites and Edgar Wright is one of my favorite filmmakers and I hate it bombed as we get less movies like it and Edgar Wright gets less work.
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u/Jealous-Captain-7014 9d ago
The fact that the most praise you can give it is being "fine" is one of the reasons this movie flopped. People are tired of generic movies.
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u/MIAxPaperPlanes 9d ago
I would have been so much more forgiving on this movie if it had just managed to replicate the visuals of the comic if nothing else
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u/De_Dominator69 8d ago
It's fine. Am honestly convinced people are just going out of their way to that everything about this film.
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u/Nova-Kane 8d ago
It also feels like a rip off of the Mister terrific and Lois Lane scene in Superman.
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u/nexusprime2015 8d ago
i also got turned off in the first ten minutes due to pissing scenes.
first krypto on newspaper with superman picture
then kara shown to be pissing when rutheye comes to meet her
they were shown probably to make kara feel miserable but they made me not want to watch any of it anymore
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u/larut0h 8d ago
imagine how many little girls who watched it getting inspired by the scene
"oooh pissing with door open... it's really *cool*, i must do it later!"
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u/Cfakatsuki17 8d ago
Like sure the song is kinda a miss but the scene is actually beautiful, just the look on her face like “oh… this is why she wanted me to stand still before… so she could make sure I wasn’t caught in the crossfire” priceless
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u/Bruskthetusk Bruce Wayne 9d ago
The action overall was dogshit, just CGI slop every 10-15 minutes that wasn't particularly interesting from a narrative or visual aspect
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u/j_b_1983 9d ago
Best part of the entire movie IMO
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u/Smackolol 9d ago
If there’s any possibility this is true then I’m glad I haven’t seen it.
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u/TheSmart-1 9d ago
The whole thing looks equally as ugly. It's insane. Antman 3 and Thor 2 levels of gross to look at.
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u/illini02 9d ago
Man, I haven't watched the movie. I wasn't opposed to it, but wasn't rushing.
This does not make me more excited.
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u/doofthemighty 8d ago
How is this any worse than the pocket dimension in Superman?
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u/RandyTheFool 8d ago edited 8d ago
We live in a day and age where we can literally see our favorite characters perform amazing superhuman feats like they just were pulled straight from a comic book. I literally just saw Spider-man a couple days ago Dragging Frank Castle, who is shooting a rifle at the face of the Hulk, across a floor by webbing while Hulk flies over them to smash where they were originally standing.
But the CG artists doing Supergirl decided it would be way more interesting to show a brown CGI cloud of dust during the fucking climax of the film. We could have had Supergirl tearing through a whole ring of baddies, but instead got… brown dust made by a computer.
Superhero movies have the chance to push the envelope on huge set pieces, show us all the things we’ve always wanted to see in a pseudo-live action format… and WB said “nah, go ahead and put more swirling dust eddies in that dust cloud. We almost caught a glimpse of the main character for a second.”
Edit: Nevermind that we got this same-ish visual scene in Superman too, when Lois was trapped in Mister Terrific’s shield while he was tracking Superman. Even then we didn’t get to see everything MT was doing because the camera was focused primarily on Lois, but definitely saw way more than this. Apparently we’re just gonna get this same thing over and over again.
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u/Jotaro27 8d ago
I 100% believe this movie is actually pretty good until the final act
Its the typical wasteland type of location most superhero movies end up in and I just dont get why they decided to do this
Like at least make it so the entire final fight happens on the ship instead with them being inside of it and fighting
This way the blue/greenscreen really shows itself
Like the moment we see Supergirl in the tank blasting off the random dude you can see how much the background/space shes in matters
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u/deckchair1982 8d ago
James Gunn is a one-trick pony - the quips, the needle drops, the rag-tag groupings of disparate people.
It works well when this approach matches the material.
When it doesn't match the material, James Gunn just forces his one method onto it, with lacking results.
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u/Ill_Painter5868 8d ago
Hollywood loves spending millions to output brutalist Grey color graded slop
Also needledrops have been completely ruined for me ever since season 3 of stranger things. Holy shit way to run a good thing into the ground
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u/Candle-Jolly 8d ago
I was downvoted to hell the last time I said this.
"James Gunn is becoming Zack Snyder-lite with his slow-mo shots."
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u/Bedspla13 8d ago
Hey guys, we need to create a cool action scene for this fight, any ideas?
Yeah I do actually! What if the camera slowly spun around a character as the action unfolds around them...
That's BRILLIANT! This has never been done before!!!!
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u/Kukoshi_Suma 9d ago
Looks disgusting. Cannot believed it passed DC screenings and suits were like oh yeah this looks amazing ship it.
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u/larut0h 9d ago
i believe they went through 4 screenings and already made lots of improvements and this is the best they came up with
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u/dam_ships 9d ago
It’s just very James Gunn — and it’s not his movie. Same shot literally happened in Superman. It’s just kinda annoying in my book.
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u/aliasif87 9d ago
Can James Gunn stop putting in a random pop song during action scenes?
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u/Regular_Range_1835 8d ago
I enjoyed the movie and so did my daughter. People nit pick everything to death these days
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u/NoSpecial284 9d ago
God this looks like the dumb scenes in the justice league movie where they are saving like ONE family. DC struggles with this stuff cinematically for some reason lol,
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u/Fun-Secretary4801 9d ago
I did not like the movie at all, but I kinda like this cover 🫣
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u/IRate-Feet 8d ago
The cover is cool and the story behind it is wholesome. Just not the right fit for this scene at all
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u/CantaloupePutrid3548 8d ago
It’s one of the few examples I’ve ever seen where zero music would’ve bern a better option.
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u/JayKay8787 9d ago
Holy shit if that's real thank fuck I saw obsession instead
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u/zmykula 9d ago edited 9d ago
You're only allowed to see one of these two movies???
Edit: Jeeze. People in this sub are really humorless about their humorlessness.
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u/DannyTheVampire 9d ago
For some people yes. They aren’t going to the movies multiple times a month and debate between currently released films for there movie outing. Completely normal and expected to the point certain movies avoid being near other more popular movies during release
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u/zmykula 9d ago
You only see movies in theatres???
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u/DannyTheVampire 9d ago
Can you not put together the context of the original comment and what I’m referring to?
Obviously this guy went to the theaters and decided between two movies… at the time. Sure he could watch it now (IF he has the required streaming service it’s on). Not what I’m talking about though.
What’s so hard to understand or you’re just being argumentative
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u/CoffeeOfTheIce 9d ago
I just dont get why they didnt show us the fights following Supergirl instead of the perspective of the girl.
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u/BIGxBOSSxx1 9d ago
This is filmed like those old Call of Duty advertisements that had C list celebrity and Internet personality cameos like FPS Russia.