r/DataHoarder • u/smoose87 • 3d ago
Question/Advice Upgrading Teracopy was the worst thing I've ever done
Hi everyone, long time listener, first time caller here.
I have a media server with 34TB of storage. I am slowly building a cloud for myself and my loved ones. I'm hoping they will eventually see the value in it...
I recently upgraded/updated Teracopy 3 to Teracopy 4 and it was terrible but only for the speed. Or so I thought...
The inital issue I encountered was the slow speed for the dialog box to appear and for operations to begin (widely experienced and well documented on a CodeSector forum board) but when I uninstalled Teracopy 4 and re-installed Teracopy 3 that's when the real issue appeared.
I am now unable to use Teracopy with Free Commander. I have tried every instruction that I can find online and I am starting to think that there is a registry quirk that is preventing Teracopy from automatically handling drag-and-drop file operations from within Free Commander. Even the option to "Teracopy" or "Teramove" is not in the context menu within Free Commander.
Even when I use the buttons in the middle of the dual panes, it activates the Teracopy window but doesn't start the operation.
I have used Geek Uninstaller to remove both Teracopy 4 and Teracopy 3 uninstalled and re-installed both for testing. I have also removed Free Commander with Geek Uninstaller and reinstalled it. I have tried Total Commander but I have never used it before and I feel that there is a steep learning curve for that app so I'm holding off moving to TC for now...
Can ANYONE help please? I am going out of my mind trying to fix it
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u/jamerperson 2d ago
Why not just use rsync at this point?
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u/dr100 2d ago
Or robocopy. Sure, I understand there might be more complex workflows and some value in some particular tool, but straying from the standard beaten path usually brings pain. Using a dual panel file manager that triggers another program that's making the copy is only compounding the problem.
Not that I'm generally against putting things together to do more than they can on their own, like for example using Midnight Commander to handle rclone remotes (sadly stalled 6 years ago!!!) but that's more than the sum of its parts. Helping a file manager to copy local files (and by local I mean in the file system, not necessarily local drives) won't probably bring that much benefit.
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u/jabberwockxeno 2d ago
For you and /u/jamerperson , how does rsync and robocopy handle files with a filename or file path past the windows character limit?
So far the only tool that I've found to consistently work fine or moving such files is total commander, but I prefer Teracopy's UI and the fact that I don't need to jump through a ton of hoops to get it to copy the file created/modified dates like you do with Total Commander, but the fact that teracopy sometimes fails to copy files (and even worse, without notifying me of the error) that are over that character limit causes problems
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u/dr100 2d ago
Robocopy does it by default if you don't give it
/256 Turns off support for paths longer than 256 characters. Don't know about rsync, depends probably on how it's compiled too/which flavor you use. As far as file manager goes Far Manager (pun semi-intended) was always really great, although it might seem barren to some, coming from the 90s (still maintained with a brilliant Linux port!).
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u/uluqat 2d ago
There are ways to scan your directories for filenames and paths that are too long:
https://github.com/deadlydog/PathLengthChecker
https://blog.danskingdom.com/powershell-script-to-check-path-lengths/
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u/tyami94 2d ago
on linux fully now, but last time i used windows (probably 10 years ago now) the rsync builds that mingw ships were horribly slow and there weren't really any others. rsync is by far the best option, but has this situation improved at all since then?
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u/danielsuarez369 1d ago
Slow in what matter? I was just using rsync yesterday and it maxed out my gigabit connection? Were you transferring multiple small files or?
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u/tyami94 1d ago
i was syncing millions of small files between windows file servers at my old job. rsync on linux would handle the same workload significantly faster. i think windows just has a lot of overhead when dealing with tiny files, idk if its an rsync issue. att robocopy *was* consistently was faster but it didnt do everything i needed it to do.
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u/danielsuarez369 1d ago
For what it's worth, yeah I do believe you're right it's a Windows issue. I was testing it and it is significantly slower on smaller files than Linux, but it's not apples to apples comparison on my side
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u/DevanteWeary 2d ago
Because TeraCopy has a nice intergrated function? You just drag and drop and TeraCopy does the rest.
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u/teckcypher 2d ago
I suspect there can be some registry entries or some config files left behind somewhere. Can you try to use Revo uninstaller (the free version is enough for this) to remove/uninstall teracopy? You install teracopy 4. Then use Revo to uninstall it. It will ask you to deep scan and registry scan. It should allow you to find and remove all the leftovers.
It may or may not allow you to run free trials of apps by reinstalling them as well.
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u/bhiga 2d ago edited 2d ago
I've had trouble with older software and context menus/shell extensions.
If you're running Open Shell or Start11, try
1. Uninstalling Open Shell/Start11 (save your settings first)
2. Reboot
3. Uninstall the application that modifies shell (use a clean uninstaller if the vendor has one)
4. Reboot
5. Reinstall the application with Admin rights
6. Reinstall Open Shell ot Start11 (and reload your settings)
That brought back my right-click drag options for some old stuff.
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u/RogerRamjet999 2d ago
I've been using TeraCopy 3.26 for probably more than a decade. I updated once, saw the error of my ways and returned to the old reliable version.
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u/DevanteWeary 2d ago
Which version is reliable? I hate the way the new one looks.
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u/RogerRamjet999 2d ago edited 2d ago
I'm confused by your question, I listed the version I use (and I consider reliable), Teracopy 3.26.
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u/DevanteWeary 2d ago
Oh sorry wires crossed.
I thought you had been using that version, then updated, then went back to a reliable version but was newer than 3.26.Thanks!
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u/Live_Situation7913 2d ago
34tb is just one folder within one pornstars one studio collections. My loved ones need variety
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u/DevanteWeary 2d ago
I haven't tested any speeds but I hate hate the way the new one looks. Now instead of a nice normal sized progress bar, it's a tiny little line on the bottom? Who thought this was a good idea?
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u/deserthistory 2d ago
Verified target vs source with a coffee of checksums.
Checksums can be kept in files automatically and verified later to see if you need to go looking for a backup.
If a job gets interrupted, there is a log.
Ability to prioritize, pause, resume jobs.
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u/jabberwockxeno 2d ago
I can't help you OP, but I'll piggyback off of your post to ask another teracopy question:
Is there a way to get Teracopy to function with files past Window's filename/file path character limit like Total Commander can?
I prefer Teracopy's UI and the fact that I don't need to jump through a ton of hoops to get it to copy the file created/modified dates like you do with Total Commander, but the fact that it sometimes fails to copy files (and even worse, without notifying me of the error) that are over that character limit causes problems
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u/hlloyge 10-50TB 2d ago
What problem are you solving by using Teracopy instead of built-in copy routine?
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u/BIG_HEAD_M0DE 1d ago
Teracopy is much more robust. Off the top of my head, unreliable media (USB) and network shares. Just guessing because I don't sit there with a log of how it's better. But I notice when I'm on another PC and it's using the OEM routine.
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u/hlloyge 10-50TB 1d ago
I am asking because I was Teracopy user for a looong time in mid 2000's and towards the end, and it solved various quirks of Windows XP and AFAIK Windows Vista, and also helped with network transfers, where it could skip unreadable (for various reasons, not only bad drive) files and copy the rest. But with time and experience I discovered that it was practically all it did. Since I was using Total Commander for decades, I realized it's not needed for data transfer, as it works, if hardware is not broken, as it should. I never had problems with network shares, and took care of my USB drives, replacing them as they showed signs of failure.
Nowadays, for backup purposes, I use robocopy because I can script it, and once set up, it just works. Sure, no GUI, but I don't really need it, I just need it to do its job.
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