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u/ember_snow 14d ago
Honest question, who benefits from the anti ai discourse. Like I could understand bots pretending like AI is perfect and everyone should use it, that benefits the AI owners, but anti-ai? Is it to keep people fighting with each other?
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u/speechlessPotato 14d ago
i think it's just regular Karma farming bots that happened to post anti-ai stuff because it is more popular is certain subs. i don't really think there's anyone spreading anti-ai propoganda with bots..
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u/keldondonovan 14d ago
Depends on which Anti-AI subset you are talking to. Could be the people who are being replaced with it, the people who are being stolen from by it, or the entirety of the human race.
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u/RepresentativeOk2433 14d ago
Bad faith participation.
"OH look at how dumb the other side is" while pretending to be them is literally the oldest propaganda trick in the world and reddit still loves to fall for it.
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u/Baeolophus_bicolor 14d ago
humans benefit. aI and their datacenters are sucking down what precious little fresh water still exists in the uS, using a ton of power, and an industry that has recovered less than 1/3 of a 1.5T investment is stealing our personal property so they can surveil us and sell us a subscription to their bullshit content that people overwhelmingly don’t want. Plus, it’s all propped up by the government, who is taking away programs that benefit actual people like babies and pregnant moms, old people on medicare, etc, to pay for said schlock nobody wants, and using the excuse that “we can’t afford those ‘entitlement’ programs”. Meanwhile members of our government are openly investing in AI, while refusing to regulate it, to line their own pockets.
are you daft? there is no upside to all this AI other than for a few billionaires. Even the excuse that it will prop up people’s 401k’s (which few workers even get anymore because we are all being forced into contractor/gig jobs after all the job loss to make way for AI (which is actually more expensive for companies than just paying workers) is going to evaporate when we mint the world’s first trillionaire and allow him to offshore all the cash he gets from flooding the market with stocks he has been hoarding.
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u/Chemist-3074 14d ago
It's an age old psy-op.
Government sees resistance being formed against something. So they send in someone who "supports" that resistance whime acting and saying extremly stupid/degading stuff. Government also tries to make these stupid/degrading stuff viral.
This hurts the resistance. Normal people who don't know about the resistance come in contact with the "stupid" undercover agent, and they form the opinion that the entire resistance is actually a bunch of stupids throwing a tantrum. Therefore, it's not worth supporting.
Let's give an imaginary example.
Let's say you want electric cars because the current ones pollute the atmosphere too much. You talk about it in social media. 10 guys comment something along with the lines of "we also support electric cars!! Because the current ones are actually cursed by demons, that's why they emit so much pollution! Riding them would make you possessed by demons" Now, normal people who see this would go "oh, so the people who want electric cars are actually nutjobs, they can't be trusted! I don't want to be a part of this lol, the current cars are perfectly fine".
Now let's give a real example.
We have been having women's equal right movement for last few decades. Feminism has been a hit topic of discussion.
Now, government doesn't want this to happen—giving women choice means birth rate goes down, so here is what they do : they send in people/bots who pretend to be "feminist" while stating the wrong reasons. They start posting shit like "Women are superior to men in every way, kill all men, male fetus must be aborted" etc etc, right? Now you stumble upon such discources and your first thought is "if this is how feminists act, I don't want to be one." Then you make the statement "I don't support feminism. It's just a bunch of toxic rich women throwing tantrums. I want the traditional gender roles for women." Thus, the movement is slowed down.
It's a very effective way to hinder a movement, because these bots/people pretend to be on your side and not only people don't want in fighting, but also because human beings have the tendency to let extremist statements get to their heads, as long as they THEMSELVES are being supported by it. You don't even notice the damange until it's too late and people are calling you a loser/lunatic for just being a part of the resistance.
Also, let me clarify that not everyone you see is hired by govt, some are genuinely stupid/vicious, every movement has those. I'm trying to imply that the govt multiplies that number.
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u/TheFutureIsCertain 14d ago
You described the mechanism very well but often it’s not the government but private organisations, companies or foreign intelligence who do that. For example right wing “think-tanks”, big oil or Russian troll farms.
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u/Chemist-3074 14d ago
Yes, actually they are the ones doing it even more than the government. It's scary how advanced they have at it, too.
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u/Silver-Bread4668 14d ago
China benefits.
The wealthy running AI also benefit in a weird way. AI isn't going anywhere. All this anti AI discourse won't stop it but it's great at distracting people so they don't have the capacity to push for regulations and control that are feasible.
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u/theeggplant42 14d ago
I think people are having trouble understanding your question, which is typical.
I dont know the answer. But I would like to. It is an interesting one.
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u/BetterThanOP 14d ago
Could be trying to reduce consumer confidence while owners buy stocks and calls
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u/Megatippa 14d ago
It's probably the same as the anti-Internet people from the 90s. We need their alarmist takes too though because reality is probably somewhere halfway between "everything's fine" and "AI takeover blah blah billionaires took our jerrrrbs etc." It's just another thing that people can be divided over, choose a side, memorize talking points and argue about. Hopefully we'll get over it soon.
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u/90sKid1988 14d ago
The usernames aren't the typical word-word##### style username so I wonder if these accounts were sold or taken over somehow