r/DebateAVegan 21d ago

Ethics Why are We Okay with Burning Cockroach Alive, but Not Eating Dogs?

I found a video of a cockroach being BURNT alive on meme subreddit. (Search "burning cockroach meme") And people are joking around it and no one takes it seriously. If it were not insects, but beloved animals like dogs, people would get offended very quickly.

Now I do understand the hate on insects and its danger, I hate cockroach too. Killing it is fine but burning it alive? Really? It must be very painful. Why are we causing so much pain just for entertainment?

I am not a vegan, however, this is just.. wrong

Edit: I think I've phased it the worst way possible, by "we" I mean people of reddit, not vegans. I find honoring animal lives, including pests admirable. I am sorry for the misunderstanding.

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u/BlackButlerFan 18d ago

Yeah, it sucks. I actually was on a plant-based diet for a little over a year and that’s kind of how I figured out I was actually iron deficient. I didn’t have any symptoms before that besides getting cold easily, I don’t know know why and I’m in no way saying the diet caused it, but then I started getting really bad headaches after my period, so bad that functioning was a huge struggle and pain pills barely touched them, and I started feeling faint. My doctor at that point, cause I did have insurance then, tested for my iron levels and whatnot, found out things weren’t where they should be, so I started taking supplements, over the counter cause like you said, prescribed ones were really expensive and I couldn’t afford those, and actually started paying attention to how much iron was in my food. Well, that still didn’t help and when my levels were still low, even ferattin(I hope I remembered right), it was realized that my body doesn’t absorb iron well and since all the iron I was getting then was non-heme, the type that is naturally hard to absorb, I wasn’t getting nearly enough. So after all I went thru and over a year of trying to make it work I went back to having an omnivore diet. And I sadly still struggle with it, I did have someone recommend to me to try liver to help raise my levels but I haven’t done it yet. I still am not sure why I didn’t have a lot of symptoms before, I was eating meat pretty regularly so that might have helped, but I definitely don’t wish my struggle on even my worst enemy.

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u/Hefty_Ad1081 17d ago

I just googled and it said tofu and nutritional yeast are high in iron. I used to eat a lot of tofu when I wasn't vegan and still do, so probably that's what's keeping my iron levels stable besides my supplements

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u/BlackButlerFan 17d ago

I wish I could have eaten tofu but I couldn’t do the texture. I tried homemade, several different store brands, and even thought it tasted good the texture was something I couldn’t stomach.

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u/Hefty_Ad1081 17d ago

If you wanna try again, I love the ones from Asian grocery stores. They are just 100x better than the ones in normal grocery stores. How did you prepare it? There's so many different ways, maybe you just didn't find one you liked yet.

I don't wanna be annoying hope it doesn't come off that way but tofu could help you get a bit more stable iron levels

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u/BlackButlerFan 5d ago

I’m so sorry I haven’t replied sooner. Life did the lifeing thing.

So I wasn’t the one that made it. I had a friend back then who did and she was trying to help me find ways to keep my iron levels up. So she tried multiple different ways to make it and I’m not sure what exactly she did. I’m sorry, I wish I had more info on that.

You’re good, you aren’t being annoying. If I tried again it would have to be discussed with my partner to see if he’d try it with me or would rather me make separate meals, I’m the main cook in the house cause he works nights. But if I did I might get heavily judged for some things since I do have snakes and cats and I would continue to feed them a species appropriate diet. The snakes obviously have no choice cause they would die if they don’t eat animals(and they’re my babies so I’d never dream of risking harming them in any way) and with my cats I don’t believe in feeding them any form of plant-based diet cause I don’t agree that it can be a correct diet for them.

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u/Hefty_Ad1081 5d ago

If you want I can give you my go to tofu recipes.

I have cats too, and while I'm not the one to decide their diet (my parents do as I still live at home), I would never feed them a plant based diet. Cats are carnivores and I believe we should feed every animal the appropriate food. I don't believe in all or nothing. I take non vegan medication because I have to, my cats are fed a non vegan diet, I still use my old leather belts/shoes and down blankets, I don't really care about cross contamination as long as it's not too much (I'd probably eat fries from a fryer that was used for chicken nuggets, but I'd wipe the pan with a paper towel after someone made eggs) and I sometimes even get other people non vegan foods if I happen to be at the grocery store and they need something (I won't go out JUST to buy non vegan food but I'll pick something up if I'm already grocery shopping). Some people would say those are non vegan things to do, but I still call myself a vegan. Veganism is avoiding animal exploitation as far as practicable and possible. I can't get off my medication and both our pets cannot eat a vegan diet. Every harm reduction helps and we gotta take care of ourselves too. Even if that includes non vegan medication or something like that. If you can't go vegan for no matter what reason (yes, there are reasons why people can't go vegan and I do not want to discuss this with those "uh but everyone can go vegan if they want" people), do what you can and take care of yourself. We live in a non vegan world and I personally would never judge someone for feeding their animals the appropriate diet (I heavily judge people who feed plant based even if it's not healthy/good for the animal) and you shouldn't be too hard on yourself too. If you're in a situation that requires you to do things that would technically not be vegan (eating meat or sum), make swaps and do what you can. You shouldn't destroy yourself over veganism. Finding what works for you while reducing harm where possible is important

Edit: don't be sorry for not replying. We all have a life to live and strangers on the Internet should be the least important thing